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CHINTU30

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Hi Everyone,
I would like to know that should I upload my Indian Bachelor of Engineering degree certificate as a language proof ?
 

abbas.pasha

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Hi Everyone,
I would like to know that should I upload my Indian Bachelor of Engineering degree certificate as a language proof ?
It will not be accepted
Degree has to explicitly mention that the course was taught in English language
Either get a letter from the University for it or take the IELTS/similar test (General and not
the academic one)
At the time of PR didn’t you provide the IELTS ? If yes, you can include the same even though it may have expired
 
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CHINTU30

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No I didn't give IELTS during PR. Should I upload transcript ? or I have clbpt language assessment.
 

forw.jane

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No I didn't give IELTS during PR. Should I upload transcript ? or I have clbpt language assessment.
There website(https://lcc.issbc.org/our-testing-and-training/canadian-language-benchmark/) clearly states -
The CLBPT is NOT accepted by Citizenship and Immigration Canada as proof of language ability for immigration (see the CIC website for language tests you can use for citizenship applications).

@abbas.pasha has given you the right option - Get a letter from University or give IELTS
 

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Nousernamesadface

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Celpip general LS is the fastest and cheapest option, it only tests speaking and listening and is accepted for citizenship. Much cheaper than IELTs.
 

karthik2479

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It will not be accepted
Degree has to explicitly mention that the course was taught in English language
Either get a letter from the University for it or take the IELTS/similar test (General and not
the academic one)
At the time of PR didn’t you provide the IELTS ? If yes, you can include the same even though it may have expired
Please verify the requirement - it can be accepted - CIC website very clearly states the diploma should be in English there is no requirement that it has to be mentioned that course was taught in English.
OP - there is no need for language test. Please see link below from IRCC - you should go by this.


https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/canadian-citizenship/become-canadian-citizen/eligibility/language-proof.html
 

Nousernamesadface

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Please verify the requirement - it can be accepted - CIC website very clearly states the diploma should be in English there is no requirement that it has to be mentioned that course was taught in English.
OP - there is no need for language test. Please see link below from IRCC - you should go by this.


https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/canadian-citizenship/become-canadian-citizen/eligibility/language-proof.html
You may send a transcript, diploma or certificate showing that you graduated from a secondary school or from a post-secondary program in Canada or abroad. These materials must show that the program was in English or French.

https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=573&top=5

I personally just used IELTs.
 

abbas.pasha

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Please verify the requirement - it can be accepted - CIC website very clearly states the diploma should be in English there is no requirement that it has to be mentioned that course was taught in English.
OP - there is no need for language test. Please see link below from IRCC - you should go by this.


https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/canadian-citizenship/become-canadian-citizen/eligibility/language-proof.html
Mentioning words in English on the Degree or Diploma is not accepted as language proof. If you were say graduated from UK or Australia or USA where the medium of reaching is mostly English those certificates as language proof are accepted
Everybody knows that within India that courses are conducted in either English or Hindi or regional languages.
So under the documents says that one cannot use it a Proof of Language
 

dpenabill

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Please verify the requirement - it can be accepted - CIC website very clearly states the diploma should be in English there is no requirement that it has to be mentioned that course was taught in English.
OP - there is no need for language test. Please see link below from IRCC - you should go by this.


https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/canadian-citizenship/become-canadian-citizen/eligibility/language-proof.html
Proof of meeting the language requirement for Canadian citizenship, based on attending educational programs, needs to show that the language of instruction was either French or English.

As is all too common of late, some IRCC information fails to clearly communicate what is required. The IRCC information you linked, which again is here: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/canadian-citizenship/become-canadian-citizen/eligibility/language-proof.html states:
Your proof must be in English or French. If it’s in another language, you must also send a certified English or French translation. The translation should show that the language of instruction of the program was English or French

Most will readily understand that this means the proof needs to show that the language of instruction was in English or French, even though it couches the explicit statement of this in reference to the translation.

Nonetheless, no interpretation necessary: As @Nousernamesadface notes, citing an IRCC response to a FAQ, the proof (be that in English or French, or a translation) needs to show that the language of instruction was English or French. In addition to stating that the proof "must show that the program was in English or French," that FAQ response has a link to the guide for applying for Canadian citizenship and its more detailed information about the language requirement and acceptable proof. In particular, in the guide it states proof of meeting the language requirement can be:
A degree, diploma, certificate or official transcripts from a secondary or post-secondary education program showing you studied in English or French, in Canada or abroad.

The guide is here: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/application-forms-guides/guide-0002-application-canadian-citizenship-under-subsection-5-1-adults-18-years-older.html#language

Reminder: when in doubt, follow the instructions; otherwise, yep, follow the instructions. Other IRCC information is helpful for figuring out whether one is eligible for citizenship, but to fully prepare to apply, and especially in making the application, it is imperative to follow the specific instructions for the application.
 

karthik2479

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I have studied several courses and not one whether in India or abroad says that medium of instruction for the course was English - I think the requirement is clear that the document (in this case we can use degree) be in English which is sufficient. And while most of us have given IELTS and used it as proof of language hence we may not have give this much thought.

Even the application guide is merely restating the same as on the earlier link - the proof must be in English or French and not that it mention that the medium of instruction was in English. I could stand corrected but yet to see any degree certificate of this nature.
 

forw.jane

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I have studied several courses and not one whether in India or abroad says that medium of instruction for the course was English - I think the requirement is clear that the document (in this case we can use degree) be in English which is sufficient. And while most of us have given IELTS and used it as proof of language hence we may not have give this much thought.

Even the application guide is merely restating the same as on the earlier link - the proof must be in English or French and not that it mention that the medium of instruction was in English. I could stand corrected but yet to see any degree certificate of this nature.
As said in previous messages the guide is mostly valid for English speaking countries like Aus, UK, USA etc. where the medium of instruction is only English. For countries like India where there is doubt about medium of instruction you can always get a letter from your university that the medium of instruction for your course was English and then it works. Language verification happens late in the citizenship processing cycle and you don't want it to get rejected after waiting for a year or so based on an application guide sentence. You can't even fight with IRCC on this technicality. When the process is such a long one, I would recommend the OP to be safe than sorry.
 
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dpenabill

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Even the application guide is merely restating the same as on the earlier link - the proof must be in English or French and not that it mention that the medium of instruction was in English. I could stand corrected but yet to see any degree certificate of this nature.
Please "stand corrected;" whatever distinction you are trying to make, make no mistake:

Proof of meeting the language requirement for Canadian citizenship, based on attending educational programs, needs to show that the language of instruction was either French or English.

Regarding "needs to mention" versus "needs to show:"

It is correct that none of the three sources cited and linked literally say the documentation needs to "mention" anything in particular, let alone regarding the medium of instruction. (There is nothing in the instructions that literally says the PR needs to "mention" any information in particular to make a citizenship application, but to make a citizenship application there is plenty of information the PR absolutely must provide.)

But is is just plain wrong to suggest that explains or illuminates what documentation is required to meet the language requirements for making a citizenship application based on attending educational courses.

So, let's be clear, all three sources do state that the proof must show instruction was in English or French.

Tool for assessing language ability (which you cite and link) states the documentation should "show that the language of instruction of the program was English or French"

FAQ answer for what will show language ability states the documentation "must show that the program was in English or French"

The guide for citizenship applications states that documentation "showing you studied in English or French" is needed.

What will satisfy IRCC that the documentation "shows" the medium of instruction was in English or French?

Varies. Depends. But it is clear that if the documentation (which can be a letter from the school showing that the language of instruction was in English or French) states that the courses were taught in English or French that will suffice.

The risk that the documentation submitted does not satisfy IRCC the medium of instruction was in English or French is that the application will be returned as incomplete. Leading to this:
Language verification happens late in the citizenship processing cycle and you don't want it to get rejected after waiting for a year or so based on an application guide sentence. You can't even fight with IRCC on this technicality. When the process is such a long one, I would recommend the OP to be safe than sorry.
Satisfactory (to IRCC) documentation of the PR's ability in an official language is required to make a complete application. Screening the application for completeness is the very first step done in CPC Sydney. If the application does not include sufficient proof of language ability, it will be returned as incomplete.

That is ONLY about what is necessary to make a complete application, necessary to get the application accepted for processing.

Unless exempted, applicants must be able to later demonstrate their ability in English or French if required to participate in an interview, which happens attendant or following the knowledge of Canada test. The documentation of language ability submitted with the application is largely irrelevant at this stage. If interviewed the applicant must demonstrate, in the interview, their ability to communicate in an official language. This is actually a key element of the interview, but it is not done as a formal examination, rather it is simply based on the applicant's ability to understand and answer questions during the course of the interview.

Reminder: prior to measures implemented in response to Covid, ALL adult applicants (even those exempt from knowledge of Canada test and language requirement) were required to attend an interview. This was suspended in response to Covid, but has been resumed at least for many applicants. So far it is not clear who or why some are required to participate in an interview while others are not.


Also Not Correct:
. . . the proof must be in English or French . . .
Not correct. The proof can be in any language. If, however, the proof, the documentation, is in a language other than French or English, a proper translation of the proof must be included.