Advice on PR card renewal or alternative options

[meghashyam75]

Hi
I had posted my situation requesting advice earlier in a slightly lengthy post but for some reason the moderator seems to have removed it or its pending approval. A quick advice would be appreciated. I am in breach of RO and my card expires in Aug 2023. Several circumstances were responsible and I cannot blame myself nor the system for this. I understand that not fulfilling the residency obligations can lead to revoking my PR. I would appreciate advice on the following.

1. On returning to Canada before Aug would I possibly be let in considering the fact that I received PR in 2018 and have not returned after my soft landing?
2. I would need to travel overseas from Canada on a regular basis to see my mother who is in poor health and this I believe would be difficult if my PR card expires and I have breached the RO. Is there any solution to this?
3. Would consulting a lawyer at this stage help or after returning to Canada? I do not have family in Canada or a job.
4. Even if I stayed after my card expires (difficult situation) to comply with the obligations wouldn't I be questioned on trying to renew the card as to why I am renewing it after so long?
5. Does the SIN number get deactivated after the card expires?
6. If the situation to get a renewal in my case is very complex would it be a better idea to give this up and apply for a TR if I receive employment at some stage?
7. Is it possible to convert the TR to PR ( I am 47 although highly qualified I would receive 0 points for my age)
I would appreciate a response that suggests the best course of action.
Thanks in advance.

 

[scylla]

Hi
I had posted my situation requesting advice earlier in a slightly lengthy post but for some reason the moderator seems to have removed it. A quick advice would be appreciated. I am in breach of RO and my card expires in Aug 2023. Several circumstances were responsible and I cannot blame myself nor the system for this. I understand that not fulfilling the residency obligations can lead to revoking my PR. I would appreciate advice on the following.

1. On returning to Canada before Aug would I possibly be let in considering the fact that I received PR in 2018 and have not returned after my soft landing?
2. I would need to travel overseas from Canada on a regular basis to see my mother who is in poor health and this I believe would be difficult if my PR card expires and I have breached the RO. Is there any solution to this?
3. Would consulting a lawyer at this stage help or after returning to Canada? I do not have family in Canada or a job.
4. Even if I stayed after my card expires (difficult situation) to comply with the obligations wouldn't I be questioned on trying to renew the card as to why I am renewing it after so long?
5. Does the SIN number get deactivated after the card expires?
6. If the situation to get a renewal in my case is very complex would it be a better idea to give this up and apply for a TR if I receive employment at some stage?
7. Is it possible to convert the TR to PR ( I am 47 although highly qualified I would receive 0 points for my age)
I would appreciate a response that suggests the best course of action.
Thanks in advance.

1. They will definitely let you in. The question is whether you will be reported on not for failing to meet the residency requirement. Assuming you are not reported, then you would want to remain in Canada for two years straight until you meet the residency obligation.
2. There is really no good solution to this. Once your PR card expires, your options for entering Canada are either a PRTD (which will be problematic to get if you don't meet RO) or trying to re-enter Canada from the US through a US / Canada land border without being reported.
3. You can certainly consult a lawyer but a lawyer doesn't really open up further options. Really your choice.
4. No, you would be fine. If you return, aren't reported at the border and remain in Canada for 2 years straight - then apply to renew your PR card, there should be no reason why it's not approved.
5. No.
6. Hard to comment. Getting employment doesn't guarantee you can translate that to PR, especially given your age.
7. See above. You would need to apply for PR through an economic immigration stream. Having a work permit doesn't guarantee PR. However it's certainly possible.

 

[canuck78]

Hi
I had posted my situation requesting advice earlier in a slightly lengthy post but for some reason the moderator seems to have removed it or its pending approval. A quick advice would be appreciated. I am in breach of RO and my card expires in Aug 2023. Several circumstances were responsible and I cannot blame myself nor the system for this. I understand that not fulfilling the residency obligations can lead to revoking my PR. I would appreciate advice on the following.

1. On returning to Canada before Aug would I possibly be let in considering the fact that I received PR in 2018 and have not returned after my soft landing?
2. I would need to travel overseas from Canada on a regular basis to see my mother who is in poor health and this I believe would be difficult if my PR card expires and I have breached the RO. Is there any solution to this?
3. Would consulting a lawyer at this stage help or after returning to Canada? I do not have family in Canada or a job.
4. Even if I stayed after my card expires (difficult situation) to comply with the obligations wouldn't I be questioned on trying to renew the card as to why I am renewing it after so long?
5. Does the SIN number get deactivated after the card expires?
6. If the situation to get a renewal in my case is very complex would it be a better idea to give this up and apply for a TR if I receive employment at some stage?
7. Is it possible to convert the TR to PR ( I am 47 although highly qualified I would receive 0 points for my age)
I would appreciate a response that suggests the best course of action.
Thanks in advance.

Your big issue will be travelling outside Canada on a regular basis. How often do you want to travel? Realistically Will you be working if you want to take frequent trips outside of Canada and how long will these trips be? Even if you reenter without being reported there are very good chances of you getting a warning or being reported after your PR card expires. If you are given a verbal warning about not meeting your RO there are very good chances you will be reported on the next visit. If you don’t meet RO you really need to avoid contact with IRCC and CBSA. Getting PR again at your age will be quite difficult but so is starting new life in Canada in your late 40s or early 50s. Are you working in your home country? If so, does the employer have offices in Canada and would they transfer your job to Canada?

 

[meghashyam75]

1. They will definitely let you in. The question is whether you will be reported on not for failing to meet the residency requirement. Assuming you are not reported, then you would want to remain in Canada for two years straight until you meet the residency obligation.
2. There is really no good solution to this. Once your PR card expires, your options for entering Canada are either a PRTD (which will be problematic to get if you don't meet RO) or trying to re-enter Canada from the US through a US / Canada land border without being reported.
3. You can certainly consult a lawyer but a lawyer doesn't really open up further options. Really your choice.
4. No, you would be fine. If you return, aren't reported at the border and remain in Canada for 2 years straight - then apply to renew your PR card, there should be no reason why it's not approved.
5. No.
6. Hard to comment. Getting employment doesn't guarantee you can translate that to PR, especially given your age.
7. See above. You would need to apply for PR through an economic immigration stream. Having a work permit doesn't guarantee PR. However it's certainly possible.

Your post provides a lot of clarity. I don't see much hope considering my age and the need to travel outside when the card expires. Thank you

 

[meghashyam75]

Your big issue will be travelling outside Canada on a regular basis. How often do you want to travel? Realistically Will you be working if you want to take frequent trips outside of Canada and how long will these trips be? Even if you reenter without being reported there are very good chances of you getting a warning or being reported after your PR card expires. If you are given a verbal warning about not meeting your RO there are very good chances you will be reported on the next visit. If you don’t meet RO you really need to avoid contact with IRCC and CBSA. Getting PR again at your age will be quite difficult but so is starting new life in Canada in your late 40s or early 50s. Are you working in your home country? If so, does the employer have offices in Canada and would they transfer your job to Canada?

Thank you. Yes traveling to visit my ailing mother will be the biggest problem. I understand that I may be able to apply for a PRTD but then again it's for a single entry. I intend to visit her atleast every 3 months for a week or two. I agree that starting my life in late 40s will be difficult in Canada unless I get a senior position. I am in an academic/ research sector where grant funding possibilities are quite difficult at this moment. COVID-19 along with personal circumstances ruined quite sometime after I gained PR. My current employer does not have offices in Canada. I know if I give a shot at reapplying for renewal on H & C grounds when rhe card expires this would trigger the revoking process. Since I don't see hope of renewal due to my need to travel outside Canada quite frequently before meeting the RO is renouncing a better option or let the PR card just expire? Regards.

 

[scylla]

Thank you. Yes traveling to visit my ailing mother will be the biggest problem. I understand that I may be able to apply for a PRTD but then again it's for a single entry. I intend to visit her atleast every 3 months for a week or two. I agree that starting my life in late 40s will be difficult in Canada unless I get a senior position. I am in an academic/ research sector where grant funding possibilities are quite difficult at this moment. COVID-19 along with personal circumstances ruined quite sometime after I gained PR. My current employer does not have offices in Canada. I know if I give a shot at reapplying for renewal on H & C grounds when rhe card expires this would trigger the revoking process. Since I don't see hope of renewal due to my need to travel outside Canada quite frequently before meeting the RO is renouncing a better option or let the PR card just expire? Regards.

Ultimately what you do is your call.

However I don't think I would renounce PR since personal circumstances sometimes change. I would wait until it's revoked for some reason (e.g. PRTD refused).

 

[canuck78]

Thank you. Yes traveling to visit my ailing mother will be the biggest problem. I understand that I may be able to apply for a PRTD but then again it's for a single entry. I intend to visit her atleast every 3 months for a week or two. I agree that starting my life in late 40s will be difficult in Canada unless I get a senior position. I am in an academic/ research sector where grant funding possibilities are quite difficult at this moment. COVID-19 along with personal circumstances ruined quite sometime after I gained PR. My current employer does not have offices in Canada. I know if I give a shot at reapplying for renewal on H & C grounds when rhe card expires this would trigger the revoking process. Since I don't see hope of renewal due to my need to travel outside Canada quite frequently before meeting the RO is renouncing a better option or let the PR card just expire? Regards.

Personal choice but regular visits like you are suggesting will be very hard. PRTD based on H&C can take 6+ months to process. PR renewal based on H&C is very uncommon so impossible to know if you would get approved and it can take a very long to process. It would best if you had established your life in Canada so at least you could show a commitment to living in Canada first. Doyou have a US visa?

 

[meghashyam75]

Ultimately what you do is your call.

However I don't think I would renounce PR since personal circumstances sometimes change. I would wait until it's revoked for some reason (e.g. PRTD refused).

I think this sounds like a good option. Thank you so much.

 

[steaky]

Thank you. Yes traveling to visit my ailing mother will be the biggest problem. I understand that I may be able to apply for a PRTD but then again it's for a single entry. I intend to visit her atleast every 3 months for a week or two. I agree that starting my life in late 40s will be difficult in Canada unless I get a senior position. I am in an academic/ research sector where grant funding possibilities are quite difficult at this moment. COVID-19 along with personal circumstances ruined quite sometime after I gained PR. My current employer does not have offices in Canada. I know if I give a shot at reapplying for renewal on H & C grounds when rhe card expires this would trigger the revoking process. Since I don't see hope of renewal due to my need to travel outside Canada quite frequently before meeting the RO is renouncing a better option or let the PR card just expire? Regards.

Are there jobs that allow someone on personal trips to travel at least every 3 months for a week or two? If so why don't you get one in India or your current job as university professor in India? You could have move to Canada sooner than August 2023. Despite direct flights between Canada and India banned during covid, in this forum, we saw posters from India traveled via Europe to Canada during the pandemic.