September 2021 - Citizenship Applications
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I dont believe the reasons for delay are to politically manipulate someone into being"loyal to the crown". haha. I mean our loyalty to the crown doesnt mean much.
I think its just inefficiency and lack of standardization in internal processes.
I understand the cynical view point but many times it's just the inefficiency. Are there some individuals within IRCC trying to enforce their personal beliefs? Yes, like any other organization.
But if you take the Jan-Mar 2022 spreadsheets and filter by online applications you can see how much BG/test related work has been done between September and October. Also if you follow the inidividual oath updates from 2021 backlogged applicants posted in various threads, you can see a lot of them have been forwarded to other locations with capacity for oath.
If you go through some of the ATIP responses I see them trying hard. For instance, they have been trying things like adding 380 or so people in one zoom call and conducting a oath event to find out the maximum limit of people they can accommodate per event without the entire event being thrown into chaos.
It's not perfect and they sometimes bite more than they can chew with their immigration targets - which I think they're doing to make up for the previous government's policies and the world economy is rapidly moving from hardware/physical things to more technology and service based.
If you compare it with more efficient systems, it also means the applicant will lose some capabilities they currently have. For instance, there are a lot of posts I see where applications are incomplete or details are missed out. If things should be more efficient, they should disallow all these updates once the application is submitted. Unless IRCC comes back and asks for more information the application won't be able to provide additional info. My guess is a lot of those applications currently eat up more and more time. Also rescheduling. Systems more efficient than IRCC don't allow this much rescheduing. I think a lot of resources are wasted in that. I understand people have important business. But when you have a more compassionate system, it will more chaotic and overall times will increase for everyone. They have to freeze the application and stop accepting changes at some point to be able to make a quick decision. If documents/rescheduling requests keep coming in, they're going to be dealing with clerical stuff all the time. But I think tehy don't want to deny people because of clerical issues as well they don't want people to lose 600 bucks.
Not to mention COVID. I think the entire system froze up because it was all paper at the time and Canada had far more restrictive approach to managing COVID than many others in terms of puclic gathering/ceremonies etc. But the online testing solution and zoom oath are pretty good. But I have a lingering suspicion a lot of delay in 2020 applications were because of physically misplaced packages that were not handled properly at the intake and it continues to cause problems for everyone to this day. I think they should've cleared everything upto 2020 as much as possible before they started working on 2021. I don't think that situation was handled properly.
Also I think the inter-office coordination/fworkload sharing could be better but they're taking the right steps. We'll see.
imo citizenship processing is going in the right direction at least at the moment but the results have yet to be seen.
I had my intie on tuesday, as of today all updated to completed but the oath
To add to what has been said already. I called IRCC once and in my communication with them they said that citizenship applications are not high priority because they:
1. Already have status in Canada
2. Already are present and established in Canada
That's why they felt they had flexibility to play around with testing Online applications and are not really in a rush to clear up the aging files.
The second thing is IRCC is a very poorly run organization. Some persons files can be punted into indefinite wait just because an officer that was assigned a file gets ill, goes on leave/holidays, quits or retires. They also want to move all applications to online because they can easily assign and reassign files based on how much work load an office has. In the past it takes weeks or months to move files from one office to another because they has to physically carry the files and use secure transportation. Some files have been lost in transit too.
But with all government bureaucracy it takes years to dot their i's and cross their t's. They claim to get back on track sometime next year if there are no more global issues like in Afghanistan, Ukraine or pandemics.
1. Already have status in Canada
2. Already are present and established in Canada
That's why they felt they had flexibility to play around with testing Online applications and are not really in a rush to clear up the aging files.
The second thing is IRCC is a very poorly run organization. Some persons files can be punted into indefinite wait just because an officer that was assigned a file gets ill, goes on leave/holidays, quits or retires. They also want to move all applications to online because they can easily assign and reassign files based on how much work load an office has. In the past it takes weeks or months to move files from one office to another because they has to physically carry the files and use secure transportation. Some files have been lost in transit too.
But with all government bureaucracy it takes years to dot their i's and cross their t's. They claim to get back on track sometime next year if there are no more global issues like in Afghanistan, Ukraine or pandemics.
That's good insight! I definitely agree on the "very poorly run organization" part. The complete chaos would also explain how two, almost identical applications, can run such different paths, with one being approved in 4 months and the other being in limbo for 18 months or longer. It's just ridiculous. Also the lack of chronological actioning of applications, seems they're just picked at random.
Hello Forum Members
Good News is that processing time is no longer 25 months.
Bad news is that the processing time is now 24 months.
I think you will get your oath date by November 15 to 20th. Wish you all the best.
Thank you so much. Congratulations to you. Happy for you.
Was there any update before they dispatch certificate? For me, it used to be stuck in loading state but now able to go further. However, the oath is still in progress state.
For me, on the tracker, the applications status changed to Closed one day after they dispatched my certificate. I did not see any update on the tracker before that.
Hi everyone. I am September applicant and I got my invitation for the Ceremony, its Nov 7. I have question for those who got certificate and will apply passport within Canada. I dont have Guarantor so I have found commissioner for oaths to sign the Statutory Declaration in Lieu of Guarantor form. My question is since I dont have Guarantor , can commissioner sign the form and the Application form (section 2) ? In the general Passport Application form it says:"I solemnly declare i have know the applicant or 2 years and sign the photos and form" Since I couldn't find Guarantor and found commissioner for oaths to sign , same person can sign Section 2 on the passport application? thanks ahead for help , I appreciate.