PRTD document with RC-1 stamp

[chd29]

I am married and we both are Canadian citizen with 2 kids

My Parents became PR under family class on April 2012 they stayed 70 days and then went back home ( out of Canada) then they came back again April 2017 before their PR card expires . then stayed 90 days and then went back home again ( out of Canada) . they wanted to come back permanently now but their PR cards were expired during 2017 to 2022 My mother went through medical conditions and my dad was looking after her. I applied for travel document for my parents in sept 2021 and enclosed all the medical records they got their travel documents stamp with RC-1 stamp in 2 weeks after submitting the passport . they landed sept 2022

my question is

1) do we wait for 730 days or
2) do we renew right away as we already have RC-1 stamp on Travel document
3) i went and talk to immigration consultant he didn't give me straight answer here what he said " we will apply for PR card renewal it may take year or so they may call them for interview we may to go to court "


Any Expert advice or some one went through this situation

 

[dpenabill]

I am married and we both are Canadian citizen with 2 kids

My Parents became PR under family class on April 2012 they stayed 70 days and then went back home ( out of Canada) then they came back again April 2017 before their PR card expires . then stayed 90 days and then went back home again ( out of Canada) . they wanted to come back permanently now but their PR cards were expired during 2017 to 2022 My mother went through medical conditions and my dad was looking after her. I applied for travel document for my parents in sept 2021 and enclosed all the medical records they got their travel documents stamp with RC-1 stamp in 2 weeks after submitting the passport . they landed sept 2022

my question is

1) do we wait for 730 days or
2) do we renew right away as we already have RC-1 stamp on Travel document
3) i went and talk to immigration consultant he didn't give me straight answer here what he said " we will apply for PR card renewal it may take year or so they may call them for interview we may to go to court "


Any Expert advice or some one went through this situation

Not expert advice . . . but some observations:

The safest approach is to wait to make the PR card application only when the PR is in RO compliance.

Generally it should be safe to apply sooner if the PR was issued a PR TD coded RC-1 based on H&C relief. The application is still relying on H&C relief, so there is a significant risk of Secondary Review or other non-routine processing, resulting in a lengthy delay before they get the new PR cards. There is also a little risk that IRCC could see cause to not allow H&C relief, but generally the visa office decision regarding this is honored.

It might help avoid non-routine processing if the PR waits for a couple or four months, and makes the application when the context and setting makes it readily apparent the PR is now settled and living in Canada permanently. (Not clear to what extent other forum participants agree with me about the influence of appearing to be settled and living in Canada permanently, but FWIW, to my view this is a big factor.)

The difficulty of course is that obtaining continuing health care coverage in Canada might require a valid PR card, and older PRs with previous health issues are obviously at risk for really needing coverage. When to make the PR card application could be a tough call.

Another opinion I have that I will share is that immigration lawyers are usually a better professional resource than consultants. Could be my bias.

 

[drdenil]

I am married and we both are Canadian citizen with 2 kids

My Parents became PR under family class on April 2012 they stayed 70 days and then went back home ( out of Canada) then they came back again April 2017 before their PR card expires . then stayed 90 days and then went back home again ( out of Canada) . they wanted to come back permanently now but their PR cards were expired during 2017 to 2022 My mother went through medical conditions and my dad was looking after her. I applied for travel document for my parents in sept 2021 and enclosed all the medical records they got their travel documents stamp with RC-1 stamp in 2 weeks after submitting the passport . they landed sept 2022

my question is

1) do we wait for 730 days or
2) do we renew right away as we already have RC-1 stamp on Travel document
3) i went and talk to immigration consultant he didn't give me straight answer here what he said " we will apply for PR card renewal it may take year or so they may call them for interview we may to go to court "


Any Expert advice or some one went through this situation

Hi,
My self and my family in same boat. We have been issued RC 1 PRTD and we landed in October 2022. We immediately applied for PR Card renewal but it has been 4 months and there is no update.
I would appreciate if you could share yours situation.
Thanks in advance.

 

[canuck78]

Hi,
My self and my family in same boat. We have been issued RC 1 PRTD and we landed in October 2022. We immediately applied for PR Card renewal but it has been 4 months and there is no update.
I would appreciate if you could share yours situation.
Thanks in advance.

Still in normal processing period but given that your PR cards expired in 2018 and you have received numerous PRTDs some with R1and others with RC1 there may be some processing delays.

 

[drdenil]

Still in normal processing period but given that your PR cards expired in 2018 and you have received numerous PRTDs some with R1and others with RC1 there may be some processing delays.

Hi Thanks for reply,

But PR card is required for each and every step of starting new life. My kids are on visitor’s visa so they have been given admission on conditional basis by providing valid PR cards. My wife has been accepted in Dental Hygiene program on same conditional basis. We also require PR cards for sponsoring kids. Further, I need to file Super Visa for my father who is widower as soon as get established our life in Canada. So kids have benefit from their grandparents.
I have to pay fees Approx 53,000/-CAD for my wife’s education & approx 20,000/-CAD for my Dental license examination.

Currently we are not eligible for loan/line of credit as we don’t have job. It is difficult to find suitable jobs as we are from healthcare sector which is highly regulated and need license to do job. At present we are utilizing our savings that we have. So much of our savings will be getting used up.

I am on the halfway and not able to plan our future. So, I am very stressed at this point of time. It’s really hard time for both of us as we are not working as of now. We both are from health care field, and we want to give our best.

Is there any chance they take longer than usual as discussed in many forums here like 1 year or 2 years of time? Then it would be really difficult for us. And if they make any negative decision then we has to suffer a lot.....in terms of money, time, energy and mentally.

Is there any way that I ask them to speed up my process?

Thanks in advance.

 

[dpenabill]

I had got RC 1 category stamp on my passport when I applied for PRTD. So on that basis I have travelled down to Canada and applied for my PR card renewal. But it has been more than 4 months and I don't have any update yet. It is still under eligibility review. So need expert opinion whether it has gone under Secondary review?

We have been issued RC 1 PRTD and we landed in October 2022. We immediately applied for PR Card renewal but it has been 4 months and there is no update.

But PR card is required for each and every step of starting new life.

You have been posting all over. This is not an instant-message forum. Does not have twitter-like traffic. Will help to be a bit patient and stick to just one or two threads.

But yeah, oh yeah, I understand how disconcerting and frustrating the situation is. Yeah, not having a valid PR card can make things difficult, put some big ticket items on hold. On top of all the hassles of getting settled here.

Sorry, there probably is not much available to ease the pain.

The long and short of it is that you have not complied with the PR Residency Obligation, and whether or not that was your fault, or was justified, this has some consequences which can pose some severe inconveniences apart from the fact that H&C factors warranted allowing you to keep PR status despite the RO breach.

There are no known short cuts. Hopefully your PR card application has not and will not be referred for non-routine processing, which could delay getting a new PR card for a considerable period of time. It is too soon to know.

It appears you have perused the forum enough, or are otherwise informed, yeah your situation poses some risk your PR card application could encounter non-routine processing, delaying when you will actually get PR cards. The most important thing (if keeping PR status is a priority) is to STAY in Canada in the meantime.

Again, it is too soon to know. Wait awhile longer. With the RC-1 coded PR TD, odds should be good that even if there is some non-routine processing, the timeline is months, not a year.

 

[drdenil]

You have been posting all over. This is not an instant-message forum. Does not have twitter-like traffic. Will help to be a bit patient and stick to just one or two threads.

But yeah, oh yeah, I understand how disconcerting and frustrating the situation is. Yeah, not having a valid PR card can make things difficult, put some big ticket items on hold. On top of all the hassles of getting settled here.

Sorry, there probably is not much available to ease the pain.

The long and short of it is that you have not complied with the PR Residency Obligation, and whether or not that was your fault, or was justified, this has some consequences which can pose some severe inconveniences apart from the fact that H&C factors warranted allowing you to keep PR status despite the RO breach.

There are no known short cuts. Hopefully your PR card application has not and will not be referred for non-routine processing, which could delay getting a new PR card for a considerable period of time. It is too soon to know.

It appears you have perused the forum enough, or are otherwise informed, yeah your situation poses some risk your PR card application could encounter non-routine processing, delaying when you will actually get PR cards. The most important thing (if keeping PR status is a priority) is to STAY in Canada in the meantime.

Again, it is too soon to know. Wait awhile longer. With the RC-1 coded PR TD, odds should be good that even if there is some non-routine processing, the timeline is months, not a year.

THANKS

 

[canuck78]

Hi Thanks for reply,

But PR card is required for each and every step of starting new life. My kids are on visitor’s visa so they have been given admission on conditional basis by providing valid PR cards. My wife has been accepted in Dental Hygiene program on same conditional basis. We also require PR cards for sponsoring kids. Further, I need to file Super Visa for my father who is widower as soon as get established our life in Canada. So kids have benefit from their grandparents.
I have to pay fees Approx 53,000/-CAD for my wife’s education & approx 20,000/-CAD for my Dental license examination.

Currently we are not eligible for loan/line of credit as we don’t have job. It is difficult to find suitable jobs as we are from healthcare sector which is highly regulated and need license to do job. At present we are utilizing our savings that we have. So much of our savings will be getting used up.

I am on the halfway and not able to plan our future. So, I am very stressed at this point of time. It’s really hard time for both of us as we are not working as of now. We both are from health care field, and we want to give our best.

Is there any chance they take longer than usual as discussed in many forums here like 1 year or 2 years of time? Then it would be really difficult for us. And if they make any negative decision then we has to suffer a lot.....in terms of money, time, energy and mentally.

Is there any way that I ask them to speed up my process?

Thanks in advance.

Unfortunately when not having a routine case there can be delays. You were lucky and received an RC1 code the second time you applied for PRTD so you already lucked out. Your father does not qualify for a supervisa. You have prove that you earned LICO in Canada preferably on an NOA so you can’t apply for a supervisa.

 

[armoured]

But PR card is required for each and every step of starting new life.

That's not entirely true but it can vary from province to province somewhat - and crucially, it often may require you to push and ask several times and challenge people who say something is not possible.

My kids are on visitor’s visa so they have been given admission on conditional basis by providing valid PR cards.

Sorry, conditional admission to what exactly? Which province?

My wife has been accepted in Dental Hygiene program on same conditional basis.

Same questions. When does the program start?

We also require PR cards for sponsoring kids.

I don't believe this is true. Yes, the instructions will say you must show you are a PR - and that typically is the PR card or similar - but IRCC is the agency that issues the PR card, so - apply with an explanation and underline that you do not have but you are a PR.

Further, I need to file Super Visa for my father who is widower as soon as get established our life in Canada. So kids have benefit from their grandparents.

My understanding is you won't qualify but not directly linked to PR status.

I have to pay fees Approx 53,000/-CAD for my wife’s education & approx 20,000/-CAD for my Dental license examination.

See above. I think you're wrong. But it depends.

Currently we are not eligible for loan/line of credit as we don’t have job. It is difficult to find suitable jobs as we are from healthcare sector which is highly regulated and need license to do job. At present we are utilizing our savings that we have. So much of our savings will be getting used up.

Why can't you work? It sounds like your are choosing not to work, because you are insisting on 'suitable' employment. The issue of how health care workers get licenesed/qualified is separate but do not expect it to get resolved just by having a PR card. You may need to work at something else while you wait. Best may be to work in a related field (eg medical technicians if you know how to use the equipment).

Note, I don't mean to say any of this is easy or fair or perfect. But after it seems some time getting back to Canada, hyou should have known this would be an issue.

 

[drdenil]

That's not entirely true but it can vary from province to province somewhat - and crucially, it often may require you to push and ask several times and challenge people who say something is not possible.

Ya it is not entirely true BUT IT IS DIFFERENT FROM PROFESSION TO PROFESSION, PROVINCE TO PROVINCE AND CIRCUMSTANCES TO CIRCUMTANCES.

Sorry, conditional admission to what exactly? Which province?

Valid PR card is on of the primary documents by the school board for admission. If it is under process you can produce later on to continue. In Ontario.

Same questions. When does the program start?

We missed October intake because we don't had our Cards on Hand. Next intake is in March. And then again in July. And now we don't want to miss it again because of further delays in getting PR Cards.

I don't believe this is true. Yes, the instructions will say you must show you are a PR - and that typically is the PR card or similar - but IRCC is the agency that issues the PR card, so - apply with an explanation and underline that you do not have but you are a PR.

You need to provide Parent's PR cards when it is asked. And I have already explained them.

My understanding is you won't qualify but not directly linked to PR status.

Ya I know that I am not qualified at present. But I want to qualify as soon as possible by clearing my exams and getting into the job.

See above. I think you're wrong. But it depends.

Definitely I have come up with some financial backup keep in mind some delays but not extreme delays.

Why can't you work? It sounds like your are choosing not to work, because you are insisting on 'suitable' employment. The issue of how health care workers get licenesed/qualified is separate but do not expect it to get resolved just by having a PR card. You may need to work at something else while you wait. Best may be to work in a related field (eg medical technicians if you know how to use the equipment).

I have spend 8 years to study and have experience of 16+ years in field and also I was University profession for 10+ years. So I am here to give my best. So, definitely my preference would be to enter in field of my expertise and my experience by getting license and working at something else would be my very last preference. But unfortunately our experience is not recognized. Our licensing examinations are conducted in US, Australia and NZ apart from Canada. Due to high inflow on candidates seats in Canada get full within a minute. So many candidates may need to select centers out of Canada if they don't want to waste a year of time. And yesterday I faced the same situation and as I don't had my PR card I could not opt for options out of Canada exam center.

And at last, I have been granted RC-1 code after well studying my file and documents by IRCC and found be eligible. And my application is still under "Eligibility Review". I have waited well above the normal processing timelines. And at present according to customer call center they don't have even fair idea of timeline to get my application approved. And in any case if they reverse their decision which is rare chance, what would be my condition? it would be beyond my imagination, at least for me.

Note, I don't mean to say any of this is easy or fair or perfect. But after it seems some time getting back to Canada, hyou should have known this would be an issue.

You may be right from your perspective. And thanks for inputs. But I have tried to share my views here.

 

[armoured]

Sorry, can't respond coherently to your responses due to the way you wrote. But in brief:

-it is not, I believe, generally true that one must 'prove' one is a PR to be admitted to school programs (it may be true for specific programs like in medical field). It will come up at the time of paying tuition, but that is not beforehand and you need to talk to the educational institution about what proof they will accept. From personal experience: do NOT go just by what is on their website for tuition, they actually may be more accepting of other documents - or in our case, they specifically said they would accept one thing temporarily until almost the end of the first semester, and then we would have to show PR card. In other words, child could start university confidently and we could show PR card several months later.

-there is an obscure provision of law in Ontario that dependents (I know it applies to children, not sure about spouses) of Canadian PRs and citizens pay domestic rates. I.e. they can pay domestic rates while they are being sponsored (if they are in province). You'll have to do the rest of the research yourself.

I have spend 8 years to study and have experience of 16+ years in field and also I was University profession for 10+ years. So I am here to give my best. So, definitely my preference would be to enter in field of my expertise and my experience by getting license and working at something else would be my very last preference. But unfortunately our experience is not recognized.

I understand your point, but again: this is a choice not to work while you wait. You knew - or should have known - that it would be a lengthy process during which you likely would not be able to work in your profession - regardless of how much education you have.

Personally I think it's poorly organized from perspective of Canadian system and our need for more professionals, etc. Therefore you have my sympathy and (at least partial) agreement.

But that doesn't get you anything at all, unfortunately. Hence limited my points overall to the practical.

As a side note, I have acquaintances that worked in fields related to their profession (or for companies in that field) while they went through all/some of this - they later told me that it ended up being a good thing to do because they had Canadian experience and the contacts and experience helped them move quickly into working in their field immediately (and in better positions than otherwise would have been possible) after they got their status and licensing sorted.

Apologies though this is pretty general as I'm not in the field. Hope some of the above is helpful anyway.

And yes, I would hope they'd sort your PR card / documents quickest possible, as all of the above are imperfect.

 

[armoured]

Apologies though this is pretty general as I'm not in the field. Hope some of the above is helpful anyway.

An additional thought that I have not researched but that you should consider since you have a family depending on this and some money at stake: consider hiring a lawyer.

But as opposed to the relatively common advice here: not entirely nor even primarily to interact with IRCC, but also to assist you on some of these other issues with other entities than IRCC.

Because there is a somewhat lazy approach of 'government' (different levels, different agencies, etc - and most annoyingly even within the federal government ) to believe they can demand "proof" of PR status that simply does not exist. (Even a PR card, after all, is not 'proof' that the bearer is still a PR / that the PR status was not cancelled after the fact). And this is without even touching the issue of what residency obligation non-compliance and even inadmissibility 'mean' - they do NOT mean the individual is no longer a PR.

You can have a lawyer counsel you as to where you can challenge this or push them to accept what you have. While a PRTD with RC-1 code is not great proof of PR status, it IS pretty decent evidence of such. Unfortunatley only IRCC and Global Affairs are familiar with this. A lawyer can write a strongly worded letter that will push many entities (agencies) to decide it's not worth arguing about.

Or at least it's worth a try, or worth asking a lawyer.