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Entering Canada with PRTD RC1(on H&C grounds)

dishadhawan

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Can someone share their experience while entering with PRTD on H&C grounds! Anything to be prepared with?any specific questions asked etc
 

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Can someone share their experience while entering with PRTD on H&C grounds! Anything to be prepared with?any specific questions asked etc
No personal experience.

Probability: no problem.

This should go fairly smoothly. Not much differently than for any other PR TD. Both the regular PR TD and one issued on H&C grounds (coded RC-1) show that there has been a Residency Obligation determination made resulting in a favourable decision and the issuance of the PR TD. Moreover, the fact of the PR TD should pop right up on any screening officer's screen. Likely to go as smoothly as for a PR with a valid PR card, and perhaps more so than one arriving after a lengthy absence.

For extra insurance (probably not at all necessary), you could be prepared to restate the basics of your H&C case, and have IN YOUR HANDS (not baggage) any supporting documents, if such documents were important to the H&C case.

From the timeline topic (but off-topic there):

Has anyone applied for renewal using the new form imm 5444? If your renewal was after receiving PRTD on H&C basis please let me know how you have included the info in the “other” column in the table as well as H&C section. Do you attach a cover letter and mention them to refer to it in these columns ??
I have not used the form.

It is nonetheless straightforward. In response to item 3.5 you check the box for "PRTD," and then in the box for 3.6 you provide the details. Add additional documents if necessary.

Yeah, 3.6 literally refers to having answered "yes" to any of the preceding section 3 questions, but checking the box for "PRTD" is in effect answering "yes, a PRTD," so the box for 3.6 is where you refer to and provide details about getting your PRTD.

I am not certain how much detail is necessary; this was just added to the new version for a PR card application, just last month. My sense is just the basics are enough, date of application, date issued, date used, reference it being coded RC-1 for H&C reasons, and attach a copy. Here too, the official reviewing your PR card application will readily see, in your GCMS records, the history and related information regarding the PR TD. (IRCC commonly asks PRs for information that IRCC already has.)

Assuming the "other" query is in regards to item 5.5 when you have checked "other" in the column for "Reason for absence," what anyone else put there would not illuminate what your reason was for the absence. Obviously, the reason for a person's absence is personal to them.

Just honestly describe why you were abroad during the referenced absence. Since you have already received a PR TD based on H&C reasons (assuming it is coded RC-1, and only if it is coded RC-1), no need to go into much detail or worry about making an explanation that justifies the time abroad, although of course basically it will be (or at least should be) consistent with whatever information you included in the application for the PR TD.

For item 5.7 it should be OK to reference the PR TD again and very briefly restate the H&C reasons made in your PR TD application. The extent to which you feel the need to restate your H&C case is largely a personal judgment call. Probably a good idea to briefly state some information regarding establishing yourself in Canada.

Reminder: these applications are not ordinarily denied on the basis of not complying with the RO (as long as you are staying in Canada). So if IRCC has an issue in regards to your H&C reasons, worst case scenario is that the 44(1) Report procedure is followed, during which you would have another opportunity to present your H&C case, more fully if need be.

Note, this is again assuming the PR TD is in fact coded RC-1.

It might be prudent to NOT make the application immediately after arriving in Canada, but wait until you are settled into a personal long term residence. This is mostly about reducing the risk of the application being subject to lengthy non-routine processing. If you have been in Canada for at least a while and long enough to get established in a residence, and especially employment, that tends to diminish concerns that might trigger non-routine processing. That is, waiting a little longer to make the application can help to actually get the PR card sooner.

Extra Note: be cautious about travel abroad . . . even if you are issued and delivered a new PR card. In some ways the favourable H&C decision is similar to restarting the RO clock, but NOT entirely. Short trips, especially those made AFTER getting well settled here, should not cause any issues. But extended absences or a pattern of absences indicating your "home" is elsewhere than in Canada, can constitute a change in circumstances which leads to a new RO compliance examination, one based on how many days you have been in Canada within the previous five years as of that date . . . again, even if you have a new PR card.
 
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dishadhawan

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Hey! Thank you so much for a detailed response, this is very helpful. I submitted my renew application and I mentioned in the H&C box as well as other box to refer to a “cover letter” attached. I wrote my reasons in the cover letter and wrote my name and date at the end and printed it. I didn’t sign it physically after printing it out. My application form is signed. Is this going to
Cause problems
 

dishadhawan

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I unfortunately realised this only after sending and I am pretty scared now. I have also uploaded an affidavit which i submitted during PRTD application. That is signed
 

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I unfortunately realised this only after sending and I am pretty scared now. I have also uploaded an affidavit which i submitted during PRTD application. That is signed
Did you have a SIN already so that you could work once back in Canada with your PRTD? Nothing to add as to whether you should be concerned, hopefully it works - please come back and share what happens.
 

asaeed100

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No personal experience.

Probability: no problem.

This should go fairly smoothly. Not much differently than for any other PR TD. Both the regular PR TD and one issued on H&C grounds (coded RC-1) show that there has been a Residency Obligation determination made resulting in a favourable decision and the issuance of the PR TD. Moreover, the fact of the PR TD should pop right up on any screening officer's screen. Likely to go as smoothly as for a PR with a valid PR card, and perhaps more so than one arriving after a lengthy absence.

For extra insurance (probably not at all necessary), you could be prepared to restate the basics of your H&C case, and have IN YOUR HANDS (not baggage) any supporting documents, if such documents were important to the H&C case.

From the timeline topic (but off-topic there):



I have not used the form.

It is nonetheless straightforward. In response to item 3.5 you check the box for "PRTD," and then in the box for 3.6 you provide the details. Add additional documents if necessary.

Yeah, 3.6 literally refers to having answered "yes" to any of the preceding section 3 questions, but checking the box for "PRTD" is in effect answering "yes, a PRTD," so the box for 3.6 is where you refer to and provide details about getting your PRTD.

I am not certain how much detail is necessary; this was just added to the new version for a PR card application, just last month. My sense is just the basics are enough, date of application, date issued, date used, reference it being coded RC-1 for H&C reasons, and attach a copy. Here too, the official reviewing your PR card application will readily see, in your GCMS records, the history and related information regarding the PR TD. (IRCC commonly asks PRs for information that IRCC already has.)

Assuming the "other" query is in regards to item 5.5 when you have checked "other" in the column for "Reason for absence," what anyone else put there would not illuminate what your reason was for the absence. Obviously, the reason for a person's absence is personal to them.

Just honestly describe why you were abroad during the referenced absence. Since you have already received a PR TD based on H&C reasons (assuming it is coded RC-1, and only if it is coded RC-1), no need to go into much detail or worry about making an explanation that justifies the time abroad, although of course basically it will be (or at least should be) consistent with whatever information you included in the application for the PR TD.

For item 5.7 it should be OK to reference the PR TD again and very briefly restate the H&C reasons made in your PR TD application. The extent to which you feel the need to restate your H&C case is largely a personal judgment call. Probably a good idea to briefly state some information regarding establishing yourself in Canada.

Reminder: these applications are not ordinarily denied on the basis of not complying with the RO (as long as you are staying in Canada). So if IRCC has an issue in regards to your H&C reasons, worst case scenario is that the 44(1) Report procedure is followed, during which you would have another opportunity to present your H&C case, more fully if need be.

Note, this is again assuming the PR TD is in fact coded RC-1.

It might be prudent to NOT make the application immediately after arriving in Canada, but wait until you are settled into a personal long term residence. This is mostly about reducing the risk of the application being subject to lengthy non-routine processing. If you have been in Canada for at least a while and long enough to get established in a residence, and especially employment, that tends to diminish concerns that might trigger non-routine processing. That is, waiting a little longer to make the application can help to actually get the PR card sooner.

Extra Note: be cautious about travel abroad . . . even if you are issued and delivered a new PR card. In some ways the favourable H&C decision is similar to restarting the RO clock, but NOT entirely. Short trips, especially those made AFTER getting well settled here, should not cause any issues. But extended absences or a pattern of absences indicating your "home" is elsewhere than in Canada, can constitute a change in circumstances which leads to a new RO compliance examination, one based on how many days you have been in Canada within the previous five years as of that date . . . again, even if you have a new PR card.
hi
can some with a PRTD (6moths validity, single entry) delay his/her travel to Canada and apply for PRC (via Portal) from outside of Canada and travel once the application is processed and cards are mailed -this is just to avoid a 2 month waiting period.

or is it advisable to apply for PRC while in Canada and leave if you have to. later if cards are mailed, someone can bring in person?

thanks
 

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hi
can some with a PRTD (6moths validity, single entry) delay his/her travel to Canada and apply for PRC (via Portal) from outside of Canada and travel once the application is processed and cards are mailed -this is just to avoid a 2 month waiting period.

or is it advisable to apply for PRC while in Canada and leave if you have to. later if cards are mailed, someone can bring in person?

thanks
Was your PRTD issued under H&C?
 

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You need to come to Canada before you can apply for the PR card. Don't do it from outside of Canada. That's going to create problems since you don't meet the residency requirement.
 

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You need to come to Canada before you can apply for the PR card. Don't do it from outside of Canada. That's going to create problems since you don't meet the residency requirement.
i understand. they will know if my daughter is in canada or outside. however PRTD was approved aa R-1 and not RC-1.
another question. can she apply while inside canada and if her card is delayed, can she travel before receiving the card? and someone else receives in the mail?
 

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i understand. they will know if my daughter is in canada or outside. however PRTD was approved aa R-1 and not RC-1.
another question. can she apply while inside canada and if her card is delayed, can she travel before receiving the card? and someone else receives in the mail?
Your posts are very confusing. Have both you and your daughter applied for a PRTD? Was one of you approved under H&C and the other not? You really need to lay out all of this information clearly. I can't answer based on the information you've provided so far.
 

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Your posts are very confusing. Have both you and your daughter applied for a PRTD? Was one of you approved under H&C and the other not? You really need to lay out all of this information clearly. I can't answer based on the information you've provided so far.
my case if differnet. sorry for the confusion it is just about my daughter who got her PRTD approved and stangely R-1. just trying to figure out if she should apply for PRC while being inside or outside. Being outside could have negative review on her application, i can understand that (even though it is R1). and if she applies while inside canada, can she leave and let someone else receive her card or she should continue to stay until it is finally processed and mailed? thanks
 

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my case if differnet. sorry for the confusion it is just about my daughter who got her PRTD approved and stangely R-1. just trying to figure out if she should apply for PRC while being inside or outside. Being outside could have negative review on her application, i can understand that (even though it is R1). and if she applies while inside canada, can she leave and let someone else receive her card or she should continue to stay until it is finally processed and mailed? thanks
If she is not in compliance with RO but was issued a regular PRTD, then she needs to return to Canada and live in Canada until she meets the residency obligation before she can apply to renew her PR card.

She definitely cannot apply from outside of Canada.
 
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