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Alysson

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Kangaroo reporting with first-hand experience in AB on a PR:

Applied to ~40 engineering jobs, zero interviews. The lowest my experience matched the role I applied to was maybe 75-80 percent. A good portion with +90% match.

About me: Several years of experience and accredited degrees in what I'm applying for, white, no language issues.

Although of course I'm quite upset, I'm not surprised. AB in particular has an even worse job market than the shitty market in the rest of Canada. There's a fake image of "Canadian standards" in STEM and as a new immigrant they think you don't match up. What's funny is Canada is a country that can't produce as much technology compared to the US and the EU, yet Canadian employers think they know their shit more than those who worked at much bigger companies in much bigger projects. My resume is like all stars but it doesn't matter, it's not relevant in Canada.

The only way to find a job is 1. be in compsci/software/IT 2. apply to a shit ton of jobs since those jobs get 20-50 applications a day (especially so if remote)

If you're not in compsci/software/IT, you gotta move to Toronto or Montreal as there are more jobs but then again, you're gonna be hitting into the "Canadian standards" wall. Plus you'll be paying $2000/mo on a 400sqft cave.

I should add that it's pathetic how many people stole my forum name...
I actually thought of going to Alberta, but outside their niche market, it’s really difficult to start there. I don’t understand why they invited so many engineers if there are no jobs. Do they expect those engineers to arrive and start a company, where it will take years to get your professional engineering license? That coupled with the fact Canada HR treats everyone without Canadian experience with eww.
 
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Alysson

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Guys, how much should I be worried about the NOC specific draws? I learned French just for EE so I am sure I will get through in the normal program because of the bonus points. However, if there are NOC specific draws then I guess the only thing that would matter is your past work experience field. I worked as an accountant from 2015-2016 just because I knew that it would qualify me for EE, even though I disliked doing accounts. But I pushed through it! Now all this talk about NOC specific draws is raising my anxiety levels. Any comments/opinions?
You’ll get a PR due to French. Francophone immigration outside of Quebec is up there with NOC draws in terms of priorities. They will probably do something to accommodate those who know French.
 
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I actually thought of going to Alberta, but outside their niche market, it’s really difficult to start there. I don’t understand why they invited so many engineers if there are no jobs. Do they expect those engineers to arrive and start a company, where it will take years to get your professional engineering license? That coupled with the fact Canada HR treats everyone without Canadian experience with eww.
Agreed. For a difficult start, AB isn't different than any other province except ON and QC for engineers (and literally every other STEM that's not compsci/software/IT). In fact, if you're in energy, chem, mining, petroleum, there are actually many jobs but it's still a joke because of the "eww" you mentioned. It didn't surprise me though, after seeing my Canadian born friends all terrified of the job hunt. So yeah it's just shit overall.

I mean sure I can go to ON or QC but QC ain't Canada and ON is an immigrant hell and literally a downgrade from my home country so yeah nah.

I gotta tell you though, housing in AB is a fucking dream man I'm loving it after Van.
 

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Canada is much more lenient on people who are not intending to live there. So much they only require 2 years out of 5 to remain with PR. Unlike US that requires proof that you actually intend to reside in the country. People do soft landing for Canada constantly.
That’s good to know. Still the traumatized part of me will go for citizenship as soon as I could just to make sure of never needing a 3rd immigration process. Life is too short for that ;)
 
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Alysson

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That’s good to know. Still the traumatized part of me will go for citizenship as soon as I could just to make sure of never needing a 3rd immigration process. Life is too short for that ;)
My mom is a US PR and she frequently goes to Brazil, due to have housing in Brazil as her retirement plan. One year she had to go twice because of an emergency and the second time she returned, the border officer started questioning her a lot, making her have to prove she actually lives in the US. You are not safe until you become a citizen, but she’s been waiting for over a year for her citizenship. US for immigrants is hell. Immigration instead of being helpful are actually there just to test you your whole life.
 

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I'll tell you if you post the quotes again without censoring. Make it the largest font, bold, red, underlined.
Yo. Sorry to interrupt your hate filled rant again. But I remember you! I actually used to have good conversations with you and Dankboi a few months back. What happened? Listen buddy! Things will get better. I know it's hard, it's hard for everyone. Eventually you'll find a career in Canada. That's all I want to say. Bye!
 

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You’ll get a PR due to French. Francophone immigration outside of Quebec is up there with NOC draws in terms of priorities. They will probably do something to accommodate those who know French.
Thanks for your response. But that's just a guessing game to be honest. Whether or not they will open something up specially for Francophones. But I do hope that my accounting experience will help me somehow. Last time I checked, they were still in-demand. But in all honesty, I wouldn't mind at all if NOC specific draws were delayed until 2023 haha.
 
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I'll tell you if you post the quotes again without censoring. Make it the largest font, bold, red, underlined.
Thanks for liking my post. Just know that I'm hoping the best for you and we can have conversations like we used to have before. When things are dark, they're really dark, and then they get better. I know, I've been there! Just stay hopeful, and doors will open eventually.
 
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Yo. Sorry to interrupt your hate filled rant again. But I remember you! I actually used to have good conversations with you and Dankboi a few months back. What happened? Listen buddy! Things will get better. I know it's hard, it's hard for everyone. Eventually you'll find a career in Canada. That's all I want to say. Bye!
Semi-trolling as usual mate. I try to mix some truth in it too though. I'm not at all surprised by what I faced here because I'd lived it before and now I'm living it again. Partly sharing my view here so that folk might be aware. And I meant it when I implied you should not at all be worried about NOC-based draws. Take my word on this; every peep we have here will get their PR eventually, including yourself. Not a single fella will be left without it by mid 2023. Thing is, the ride until you get your PR is not the real thing. The real journey begins after you've got your PR and it's not an easy ride at all. Not even for Canadians themselves.
 

ashu2111

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Semi-trolling as usual mate. I try to mix some truth in it too though. I'm not at all surprised by what I faced here because I'd lived it before and now I'm living it again. Partly sharing my view here so that folk might be aware. And I meant it when I implied you should not at all be worried about NOC-based draws. Take my word on this; every peep we have here will get their PR eventually, including yourself. Not a single fella will be left without it by mid 2023. Thing is, the ride until you get your PR is not the real thing. The real journey begins after you've got your PR and it's not an easy ride at all. Not even for Canadians themselves.
But that's a part of life my mate. Let me tell you my story without making it too long. I almost came close to immigrating to Canada before EE in the early 2010s. I even had a very decent job lined-up. Then the Canadian government overhauled its entire system and then I had to go back home. It was a very dark period of my life. I could've given up, I just had a two year Canadian diploma, nothing else. But I did my Bachelors and Masters in Europe, and learned French from scratch. I faced a lot of shit, conflict and problems in Europe, much more than in Canada. And now I think I'll be eligible for my Canadian PR.

After that, I am sure that I'll go through many problems again, but eventually I am sure I will find something in Canada that I like doing and can make a decent living in the process. You may not get a job at TD, but you can learn trades, etc which can really bump your salary up in Canada. I knew a Canadian guy working for BMO. He was sick of the politics, and then he left his job to drive a cargo van from Windsor to up state New York. He has a very nice house in Waterloo right now. I guess life is all about struggles with brief moments of relief and happiness. Sorry to be a wise-ass and pontificating, but I really do think that things will get better for you and despite the issues, you will be looking back at this period with a massive "umph" once you're all settled in.
 
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Any response you're going to get right now will be guesses. The short answer is that we don't know the details of what's going to happen and you'll have to wait until any new rules are announced to know for sure.

It's certainly possible they are going to revert to the NOC specific pre-EE style approach. If that's the case, the NOCs that are on the list will be those where there is demand in Canada but insufficient talent.

There's really no way to say.
Sorry to jump in. But as someone who is also concerned about potential NOC draws, what was the pre-EE system? Which NOCs were eligible? Is there a document or a link to read abut it?