maximum residency can only reach a little more than 730 days, apply renewal or not?

[bricksonly]

My card will expire in Aug, 2023. I live in other country with my Canadian spouse and kids. We own a home in Canada but rent it and was approved to be non-resident for tax porpose.
For Covid issue I didn't live with my wife and kid for almost 2 years.
As my main time be with family was 2018 (near 10 months), I can add up all my days until end of 2022 to 730+ days, but not more than this number until my card expire date, because for 2023, every day I live with my family, at the same time my 2018 days will expire.
I know I can apply for a renewal 9 month before the card expiry date. Is it good to apply with a 730+ days at the end of 2022? Or, I just wait until my days are decent (900+), which will be mid of 2024....
Many thanks

 

[Tubsmagee]

My card will expire in Aug, 2023. I live in other country with my Canadian spouse and kids. We own a home in Canada but rent it and was approved to be non-resident for tax porpose.
For Covid issue I didn't live with my wife and kid for almost 2 years.
As my main time be with family was 2018 (near 10 months), I can add up all my days until end of 2022 to 730+ days, but not more than this number until my card expire date, because for 2023, every day I live with my family, at the same time my 2018 days will expire.
I know I can apply for a renewal 9 month before the card expiry date. Is it good to apply with a 730+ days at the end of 2022? Or, I just wait until my days are decent (900+), which will be mid of 2024....
Many thanks

Do you actually need the PR card, since you are living abroad?

 

[canuck78]

My card will expire in Aug, 2023. I live in other country with my Canadian spouse and kids. We own a home in Canada but rent it and was approved to be non-resident for tax porpose.
For Covid issue I didn't live with my wife and kid for almost 2 years.
As my main time be with family was 2018 (near 10 months), I can add up all my days until end of 2022 to 730+ days, but not more than this number until my card expire date, because for 2023, every day I live with my family, at the same time my 2018 days will expire.
I know I can apply for a renewal 9 month before the card expiry date. Is it good to apply with a 730+ days at the end of 2022? Or, I just wait until my days are decent (900+), which will be mid of 2024....
Many thanks

PR card date isn’t important. You must meet 730 days from your landing date. The other issue that not all time with a Canadian spouse abroad counts. Why did you move abroad? Where was your family living when you were living apart? Time is only supposed to count if the PR is moving due to the Canadian. The PR also needs to have lived in Canada with their spouse before leaving to count time together so that’s not an issue.

 

[jakklondon]

My card will expire in Aug, 2023. I live in other country with my Canadian spouse and kids. We own a home in Canada but rent it and was approved to be non-resident for tax porpose.
For Covid issue I didn't live with my wife and kid for almost 2 years.
As my main time be with family was 2018 (near 10 months), I can add up all my days until end of 2022 to 730+ days, but not more than this number until my card expire date, because for 2023, every day I live with my family, at the same time my 2018 days will expire.
I know I can apply for a renewal 9 month before the card expiry date. Is it good to apply with a 730+ days at the end of 2022? Or, I just wait until my days are decent (900+), which will be mid of 2024....
Many thanks

Tell us the truth, did you move out of Canada because as a Canadian PR you couldn't get a well paying job, and your life style back home is much better than what you would have if stayed in Canada?

There are some statements that indicate discrepancies or appear to be inconsistent, unless you provide clarifications. You state that "I live in other country with my Canadian spouse and kids", and then you say "For Covid issue I didn't live with my wife and kid for almost 2 years". So, which statement is correct? What does it mean? Are you currently out of Canada and with your family? Where was your family during the two years you said you couldn't stay with them due to COVID? How many days you spent in Canada during the applicable 5 year period (counting back from present time)? Please clarify.

I also would note that lockdowns didn't last 2 years and borders were open for even non-essential travelers for sometime now.

I personally fled Canada as PR, because I couldn't get a job there. Even for a survival job, like flipping burgers at McDonald's, I needed a "connection" and "special recommendation" from an insider. It's something unheard of in the US. The only thing I could realistically do there would be driving for Uber. And I am pissed off at those lawmakers who legislated an ultimatum they define as RO: stay in Canada as PR and pull rickshaws, or else you will be in breach of RO and we will strip you of your status the next time you come in. If so, then I want Canada to compensate me for all the fees I paid to get Canadian PR, and all the monies I spent along the way, including traveling there and desperately trying to get a job/interviews. I wouldn't apply for Canadian PR if I knew my only prospect was to run as a rickshaw on the streets. I was fooled like many others by false advertisement, about Canadian economy needing hundreds of thousands of skilled workers, which it obviously doesn't need if you look at how oversaturated its job market is. But having said and done all that, I wouldn't now claim that I am here due to COVID. I am not in the US because of COVID. I am actually very transparent about everything and firmly believe that it's Canada that will find itself in defensive and forced to lie in this matter (one of the biggest lies being "yes, we still need 400K workers per year, immigrants from all over the world, stream to Canada. we have urgent need for you!").

So, I am curious about your situation. Please be honest about what happened and why you left Canada. Your providing accurate information may also be helpful for anyone willing to give you a relevant advise, because accurate data is important for assessment of your situation. Otherwise, anything we say will be irrelevant and not useful under your circumstances.

 

[Tubsmagee]

I personally fled Canada as PR, because I couldn't get a job there. Even for a survival job, like flipping burgers in McDonald's, I needed a "connection" and "special recommendation" from an insider. It's something unheard of in the US. The only thing I could realistically do there would be driving for Uber. And I am pissed off at those lawmakers who legislated an ultimatum they define as RO: stay in Canada as PR and pull rickshaws, or else you will be in breach of RO and we will strip you of your status the next time you come in. If so, then I want Canada to compensate me for all the fees I paid to get Canadian PR, and all the monies I spent along the way, including traveling there and desperately trying to get a job/interviews. I wouldn't apply for Canadian PR if I knew my only prospect was to run as a rickshaw on the streets. I was fooled like many others by false advertisement, about Canadian economy needing hundreds of thousands of skilled workers, which it obviously doesn't need if you look at how oversaturated its job market is. But having said and done all that, I wouldn't now claim that I am here due to COVID. I am not in the US because of COVID. I am actually very transparent about everything and firmly believe that it's Canada that will find itself in defensive and forced to lie in this matter (one of the biggest lies being "yes, we still need 400K workers per year, immigrants from all over the world, stream to Canada. we have urgent need for you!").

@bricksonly - There are some useful questions for consideration above, before the repetitive rant.

 

[canuck78]

Tell us the truth, did you move out of Canada because as a Canadian PR you couldn't get a well paying job, and your life style back home is much better than what you would have if stayed in Canada?

There are some statements that indicate discrepancies or appear to be inconsistent, unless you provide clarifications. You state that "I live in other country with my Canadian spouse and kids", and then you say "For Covid issue I didn't live with my wife and kid for almost 2 years". So, which statement is correct? What does it mean? Are you currently out of Canada and with your family? Where was your family during the two years you said you couldn't stay with them due to COVID? How many days you spent in Canada during the applicable 5 year period (counting back from present time)? Please clarify.

I also would note that lockdowns didn't last 2 years and borders were open for even non-essential travelers for sometime now.

I personally fled Canada as PR, because I couldn't get a job there. Even for a survival job, like flipping burgers in McDonald's, I needed a "connection" and "special recommendation" from an insider. It's something unheard of in the US. The only thing I could realistically do there would be driving for Uber. And I am pissed off at those lawmakers who legislated an ultimatum they define as RO: stay in Canada as PR and pull rickshaws, or else you will be in breach of RO and we will strip you of your status the next time you come in. If so, then I want Canada to compensate me for all the fees I paid to get Canadian PR, and all the monies I spent along the way, including traveling there and desperately trying to get a job/interviews. I wouldn't apply for Canadian PR if I knew my only prospect was to run as a rickshaw on the streets. I was fooled like many others by false advertisement, about Canadian economy needing hundreds of thousands of skilled workers, which it obviously doesn't need if you look at how oversaturated its job market is. But having said and done all that, I wouldn't now claim that I am here due to COVID. I am not in the US because of COVID. I am actually very transparent about everything and firmly believe that it's Canada that will find itself in defensive and forced to lie in this matter (one of the biggest lies being "yes, we still need 400K workers per year, immigrants from all over the world, stream to Canada. we have urgent need for you!").

So, I am curious about your situation. Please be honest about what happened and why you left Canada. Your providing accurate information may also be helpful for anyone willing to give you a relevant advise, because accurate data is important for assessment of your situation. Otherwise, anything we say will be irrelevant and not useful under your circumstances.

Never applied for jobs from Canada and decided to remain in the US based on your own statements. Would suggest that people use a Canadian phone number and address while applying jobs. That is probably the primary reason they got no replies.

 

[jakklondon]

@bricksonly - There are some useful questions for consideration above, before the repetitive rant.

Don't make it so obvious that you work for guvmint/propaganda.

 

[jakklondon]

Never applied for jobs from Canada and decided to remain in the US based on your own statements. Would suggest that people use a Canadian phone number and address while applying jobs. That is probably the primary reason they got no replies.

Not necessarily true. I did have a Canadian address (which wasn't part of resume, but available upon request), and I have registered a Canadian phone number (which would forward any calls made to it to my cell phone). Out of several hundreds of resumes sent may be two or three responded with one liner, to the effect that "while you are Einstein, we still found someone better than you". I guess it's not so difficult to raise the bar sky high when you have 500 rocket scientists from all over the world applying and competing for each advertised vacancy out there, even for entry level jobs , such as flipping burgers.

 

[IndianBos]

My card will expire in Aug, 2023. I live in other country with my Canadian spouse and kids. We own a home in Canada but rent it and was approved to be non-resident for tax porpose.
For Covid issue I didn't live with my wife and kid for almost 2 years.
As my main time be with family was 2018 (near 10 months), I can add up all my days until end of 2022 to 730+ days, but not more than this number until my card expire date, because for 2023, every day I live with my family, at the same time my 2018 days will expire.
I know I can apply for a renewal 9 month before the card expiry date. Is it good to apply with a 730+ days at the end of 2022? Or, I just wait until my days are decent (900+), which will be mid of 2024....
Many thanks

The closer you are to 730 days during renewal, the higher the chances of application getting flagged for additional reviews.
However, there are other factors as well. Like if you stayed for 2 years straight and didn't travel, they can see that and usually renewal is straightforward. On the other hand, if you have a lot of travel, sometimes even 800 days might not be sufficient.
If you have just 1-2 travels outside Canada, 750 days should be good IMO.

 

[bricksonly]

Thanks for all tips.

My wife worked in US that's the main reason we leave Canada. Even she got much better payment for the maybe easier job than in Canada, we still decided to return Canada in near future.

As I didn't have a work permit in US and our parents were really old (75~85+), I shutlle between my home country and US. And suddenly Covid comes, my home country was listed to ban entry to US (only US citizen or PR, or their direct relatives can enter), until Nov 8th, 2021. I went back to US in Dec at once.

I hope there will be no emergency to our parents. If their health condition goes unstable, I have to try my best to stay with them. I don't care for lose PR, because I can reply for it as my spouse is Canadian. I just don't want to mess these up: anyone know if I become a new PR again, my old SIN, bank account, driver license, and record of living in Canada will denounce?

Canada only welcomes people willing to stay in Canada. I fully understand. But my situation maybe not support it right now. For some reason I will be back to Canada in May or Jun, until Jan next year. I accept being reported or not, and would not apply for PR renewal. If not reported, I will renew it when we decide to relocate back in Canada.

The only bad thing is, after my PR card expired, I can only drive through US land border and could face complex review if I want to "visit" Canada...Is it OK only if every time I can prove my good RO thus I will be let in with an expired card?

 

[jakklondon]

Thanks for all tips.

My wife worked in US that's the main reason we leave Canada. Even she got much better payment for the maybe easier job than in Canada, we still decided to return Canada in near future.

As I didn't have a work permit in US and our parents were really old (75~85+), I shutlle between my home country and US. And suddenly Covid comes, my home country was listed to ban entry to US (only US citizen or PR, or their direct relatives can enter), until Nov 8th, 2021. I went back to US in Dec at once.

I hope there will be no emergency to our parents. If their health condition goes unstable, I have to try my best to stay with them. I don't care for lose PR, because I can reply for it as my spouse is Canadian. I just don't want to mess these up: anyone know if I become a new PR again, my old SIN, bank account, driver license, and record of living in Canada will denounce?

Canada only welcomes people willing to stay in Canada. I fully understand. But my situation maybe not support it right now. For some reason I will be back to Canada in May or Jun, until Jan next year. I accept being reported or not, and would not apply for PR renewal. If not reported, I will renew it when we decide to relocate back in Canada.

The only bad thing is, after my PR card expired, I can only drive through US land border and could face complex review if I want to "visit" Canada...Is it OK only if every time I can prove my good RO thus I will be let in with an expired card?

Canada does not recognize such a thing as "being near dying parent". They say "who cares, until parents are dead you have no business staying with them!". As a result, any time you spent at home to be near your parents could be used against you when counting the days in breach of RO. By Canadian laws it's not considered unusual hardship for you to let your parents expire without your presence next to them.

But the time you spent separated from your spouse can arguably be due to circumstances outside of your control, if you were physically prevented from traveling to join your family in the US. There are some caveats, of course: you will have to show that you accompanied your spouse to US, that you were staying with her except for brief travel outside of the US, and that you were prevented from joining her until after the travel ban was lifted. You would want to have documented evidence for each of those claims and If you are lucky and have a border agent sympathetic to you, you may be waived in. If reported, then you will have to appeal and make an H&C case before IAD. You will definitely need the documentary evidence if it goes to IAD, so you better gather everything in advance.

I don't have time to do math and count the days you spent in and out of Canada or the US (when accompanying your Canadian wife), but you can easily do it yourself.

Main issue will be your absence from US (while your spouse lived AND worked in the US) and/or your absence from Canada (for any time she was living in Canada) , while there were no travel restrictions related to COVID. Like right now, there is no justification for you to be away from your spouse, since there are no COVID related physical barriers for you to join her.

As to SIN and DL, I don't know how Canada regulates those, but in the US you would have one, permanently assigned to you, social security number and your driver's license should be good through expiration date and as long as your name, address and ability to drive the car remain the same. But you should check to make sure the same applies to Canada.

Good luck.

 

[Tubsmagee]

My wife worked in US that's the main reason we leave Canada. Even she got much better payment for the maybe easier job than in Canada, we still decided to return Canada in near future.

As I didn't have a work permit in US and our parents were really old (75~85+), I shutlle between my home country and US. And suddenly Covid comes, my home country was listed to ban entry to US (only US citizen or PR, or their direct relatives can enter), until Nov 8th, 2021. I went back to US in Dec at once.

I hope there will be no emergency to our parents. If their health condition goes unstable, I have to try my best to stay with them. I don't care for lose PR, because I can reply for it as my spouse is Canadian. I just don't want to mess these up: anyone know if I become a new PR again, my old SIN, bank account, driver license, and record of living in Canada will denounce?

Canada only welcomes people willing to stay in Canada. I fully understand. But my situation maybe not support it right now. For some reason I will be back to Canada in May or Jun, until Jan next year. I accept being reported or not, and would not apply for PR renewal. If not reported, I will renew it when we decide to relocate back in Canada.

The only bad thing is, after my PR card expired, I can only drive through US land border and could face complex review if I want to "visit" Canada...Is it OK only if every time I can prove my good RO thus I will be let in with an expired card?

Given that your wife is a Canadian citizen, and you are currently living abroad, you could renounce your PR, which would eliminate the issue of having to worry about meeting RO. Once your family is ready to settle in Canada, your wife could sponsor you for PR. Not without issues, as you may need to jump through other hoops when traveling to Canada for visits, and there could be delays when finally deciding to settle.

It is hard to say what could happen with RO determination at border. I’d say you meet at least for some days but there are a wide variety of decisions which seem to contradict internal guidance.[/QUOTE]

 

[armoured]

My wife worked in US that's the main reason we leave Canada. Even she got much better payment for the maybe easier job than in Canada, we still decided to return Canada in near future.

As I didn't have a work permit in US and our parents were really old (75~85+), I shutlle between my home country and US. And suddenly Covid comes, my home country was listed to ban entry to US (only US citizen or PR, or their direct relatives can enter), until Nov 8th, 2021. I went back to US in Dec at once.

I haven't followed every detail of your case but given that your wife has been working in USA and it's not your home country, I think the chances are decent that they'd consider you as having accompanied your spouse. The period where she wasn't in Canada and you weren't accompanying her might be a wrinkle.

That said, don't see any harm in trying - that is, claim the time you were with her as accompanying a canadian citizen/spouse abroad. If it doesn't work, you do have option of re-applying.

I just don't want to mess these up: anyone know if I become a new PR again, my old SIN, bank account, driver license, and record of living in Canada will denounce?

SIN should remain. Bank account - well, if kept open. DL - province specific, but usually the provinces don't cancel - might be an issue if you need to renew when you don't yet have Canadian PR docs. Don't know what you mean by 'record of living.'

The only bad thing is, after my PR card expired, I can only drive through US land border and could face complex review if I want to "visit" Canada...Is it OK only if every time I can prove my good RO thus I will be let in with an expired card?

I'm not sure I know what you mean here - but one disadvantage of renouncing due to non-compliance is you will liekly be on an automatic 'second review' list at border crossings, possibly until you become a citizen - even if your PR status is 'new' in every respect. (Even if the renouncement was voluntary and no laws were ever broken, etc).

 

[ramansingh05]

Tell us the truth, did you move out of Canada because as a Canadian PR you couldn't get a well paying job, and your life style back home is much better than what you would have if stayed in Canada?

There are some statements that indicate discrepancies or appear to be inconsistent, unless you provide clarifications. You state that "I live in other country with my Canadian spouse and kids", and then you say "For Covid issue I didn't live with my wife and kid for almost 2 years". So, which statement is correct? What does it mean? Are you currently out of Canada and with your family? Where was your family during the two years you said you couldn't stay with them due to COVID? How many days you spent in Canada during the applicable 5 year period (counting back from present time)? Please clarify.

I also would note that lockdowns didn't last 2 years and borders were open for even non-essential travelers for sometime now.

I personally fled Canada as PR, because I couldn't get a job there. Even for a survival job, like flipping burgers at McDonald's, I needed a "connection" and "special recommendation" from an insider. It's something unheard of in the US. The only thing I could realistically do there would be driving for Uber. And I am pissed off at those lawmakers who legislated an ultimatum they define as RO: stay in Canada as PR and pull rickshaws, or else you will be in breach of RO and we will strip you of your status the next time you come in. If so, then I want Canada to compensate me for all the fees I paid to get Canadian PR, and all the monies I spent along the way, including traveling there and desperately trying to get a job/interviews. I wouldn't apply for Canadian PR if I knew my only prospect was to run as a rickshaw on the streets. I was fooled like many others by false advertisement, about Canadian economy needing hundreds of thousands of skilled workers, which it obviously doesn't need if you look at how oversaturated its job market is. But having said and done all that, I wouldn't now claim that I am here due to COVID. I am not in the US because of COVID. I am actually very transparent about everything and firmly believe that it's Canada that will find itself in defensive and forced to lie in this matter (one of the biggest lies being "yes, we still need 400K workers per year, immigrants from all over the world, stream to Canada. we have urgent need for you!").

So, I am curious about your situation. Please be honest about what happened and why you left Canada. Your providing accurate information may also be helpful for anyone willing to give you a relevant advise, because accurate data is important for assessment of your situation. Otherwise, anything we say will be irrelevant and not useful under your circumstances.

Hi, Below is my case can you help?
I landed in Mar 2018 with my wife as a PR and went back due to some personal reasons(I didnt get well paid job and I had some family issues. I landed back again in June 2021(with job) and I am living here since then. My wife landed in Sep21 as we had a baby while in India and she travelled after we received Visitor visa for our baby.
Now I have below question
1: As I am completing 5 years in Mar 2023, so by when we can apply for the renewal of the PR Card. Do we need to apply only after completing 730 days or we can apply earlier as well(If yes then usually how many months before).?
2. Secondly, As I spent 1044 days outside on Country and I am good with +51 days(1095=3yrs), So do I need to wait till I cover off balance of 730 days(which will be completing in Feb2023) to renew my PR Card or I can do it even before that?
3. For my Wife, she is short by 27 days till Mar 2023, so can we file her PR Card renewal or not?
4. Can we provide letter of Explanation that we were coming in 2020 but due to COVID we got stuck and we had to even deliver our baby backhome.
5. Form IMM5444, Income tax info - Is there any impact on the tax if we provide details to the CRA? Even we were not here but we were filing all the taxes for all the years.

Also can we apply online as well or it has to be paper based application only?
Please help!!!

 

[ramansingh05]

The closer you are to 730 days during renewal, the higher the chances of application getting flagged for additional reviews.
However, there are other factors as well. Like if you stayed for 2 years straight and didn't travel, they can see that and usually renewal is straightforward. On the other hand, if you have a lot of travel, sometimes even 800 days might not be sufficient.
If you have just 1-2 travels outside Canada, 750 days should be good IMO.

Can you please reply..
I landed in Mar 2018 with my wife as a PR and went back due to some personal reasons. I landed back again in June 2021 and I am living here since then. My wife landed in Sep21 as we had a baby while in India and she travelled after we received Visitor visa for our baby.
Now I have below question
1: As I am completing 5 years in Mar 2023, so by when we can apply for the renewal of the PR Card. Do we need to apply only after completing 730 days or we can apply earlier as well(If yes then how many months before).?
2. Secondly, As I spent 1044 days outside on Country and I am good with +51 days(1095=3yrs), So do I need to wait till I cover off balance of 730 days(which will be completing in Feb2023) to renew my PR Card or I can do it even before that?
3. For my Wife, she is short by 27 days till Mar 2023, so can we file her PR Card renewal or not?
4. Can we provide letter of Explanation that we were coming in 2020 but due to COVID we got stuck and we had to even deliver our baby backhome.
5. Form IMM5444, Income tax info - Is there any impact on the tax if we provide details to the CRA? Even we were not here but we were filing all the taxes for all the years.

Also can we apply online as well or it has to be paper based application only?
Please help!!!