Who to list on 5406 and 5669

[GGuyR2]

Online PR sponsorship pushed back with dreaded "Not provided for: Dependent children of the Principal Applicant that are 18 years
of age and older, whether accompanying or not".

Want to double-check before I resubmit.

Scenario:

Husband (me) is Canadian citizen who has lived in USA for 20+ years and is returning. My wife is American citizen so I am sponsoring her.

I have two kids from prior marriage (also to an American). Both are dual US/Canadian; have Canadian passports and citizenship certs, but have never lived in Canada.

Canadian Kid A is 18, and coming with us. Canadian Kid E is 21 and not coming with us.

Wife has two kids from prior marriage. Both US citizens. American Kid N is 18, and coming with us, so being sponsored as well. American Kid K is 25 and not coming with us (and too old to be considered a dependent if I understand correctly).

None of the kids are married, none have their own kids. So in summary:

• Me (Canadian) and Wife (American)
• 2 Canadian/US dual (husband's kids, ages 18 and 21, 18 year-old coming with us)
• 2 US kids (wife's kids, 18 and 25, 18-year old coming with us)

Forms as submitted (and pushed back):

IMM0008 (Generic App): My wife only listed American Kid N (18) who is coming with us. Didn't list her step-kids (my Canadian kids), or her 25-year old. The response from CIC didn't say there were any problems with this form. I'm a bit paranoid if she should be listing other kids here despite that? At least the 2 step-kids who are under 22 (but are both US-born dual citizens).

5406 (Additional Family Members):

My wife's form, under Section B Children, she listed Kid N (American, 18, coming with us) and Kid K (American 25, not coming with us). She didn't list her step children (my kids, 18 and 21, both Canadian). I think that was the first problem, and they need to be listed here?

Also did a 5406 for Kid N (American, 18, coming with us). She listed all 3 siblings.

5669 (Background / Declaration):

Filled out a copy for:

• Wife
• Kid N (American, 18, coming with us)

Didn't fill out for Kid K (American, 25, not coming with us). I think this was the error of omission here? Don't think we should also add my kids because they are both Canadian citizens and the instructions say "fill out this form for yourself and on behalf of any of your family members 18 years of age or older who are not already Canadian citizens or permanent residents."

Final bonus questions, if anybody has read this far.

We are about to move to Canada (in 9 days!). Given the outbound application was pushed back requesting more info, should we cancel this application, wait until wee are in Canada, then make an inbound app so we can also apply for an open-work-permit for wife and her daughter? Getting them the right to work is highest priority, even if it slows down the final PR approval.

Bonus-bonus question: Do we need to provide documentation on the 25-year old (American) who isn't coming with us? Police report, birth certificate, etc.?

Whew! Will be chatting with an immigration consultant to check all of this.

 

[armoured]

Have to say, right up front, do not know why your application was 'pushed back.' It sounds correct to me. But I don't claim to be an expert, this is just how I read and interpret.

I warn though: the online application is a pilot and you can expect that there may be corner cases that show up as incomplete even if it's all actually been completed correctly. (All it takes is one set of poorly programmed/minorly mistaken if ... or computer statements, nested slightly wrong).

Implying that: it's possible that there may not be a way for you to apply correctly using the online; you may have just found the confounding set of circumstances that confuses the online gatekeeper. (Note, I haven't used the online, is there a way to provide feedback?)

Did you provide or check anywhere boxes regarding the declaration of non-accompanying parent and/or the 18 year old not needing it as now at age of majority? (This strikes me as something that could cause a problem to computer logic, but only a guess).

Police certificate for the 18 year old?

IMM0008 (Generic App): My wife only listed American Kid N (18) who is coming with us. Didn't list her step-kids (my Canadian kids), or her 25-year old. The response from CIC didn't say there were any problems with this form. I'm a bit paranoid if she should be listing other kids here despite that? At least the 2 step-kids who are under 22 (but are both US-born dual citizens).

I believe this is correct. Usually you will need to include info (not on this form) that shows they are citizens.

5406 (Additional Family Members):

My wife's form, under Section B Children, she listed Kid N (American, 18, coming with us) and Kid K (American 25, not coming with us). She didn't list her step children (my kids, 18 and 21, both Canadian). I think that was the first problem, and they need to be listed here?

Also did a 5406 for Kid N (American, 18, coming with us). She listed all 3 siblings.

It certainly won't hurt to include her step-kids, the Canadians too.

5669 (Background / Declaration):

Filled out a copy for:

• Wife
• Kid N (American, 18, coming with us)

Didn't fill out for Kid K (American, 25, not coming with us). I think this was the error of omission here? Don't think we should also add my kids because they are both Canadian citizens and the instructions say "fill out this form for yourself and on behalf of any of your family members 18 years of age or older who are not already Canadian citizens or permanent residents."

Also, I think this is correct. I don't see the error of omission.

We are about to move to Canada (in 9 days!). Given the outbound application was pushed back requesting more info, should we cancel this application, wait until wee are in Canada, then make an inbound app so we can also apply for an open-work-permit for wife and her daughter? Getting them the right to work is highest priority, even if it slows down the final PR approval.

It may not be any faster, but it might be - so yes, given only nine days, makes sense to apply inland.

Whew! Will be chatting with an immigration consultant to check all of this.

Probably worth it.

I don't know that there's much you cna do but check everything very carefully again, check yet another time, try to submit as inland (online), and if that doesn't work, submit paper version.

(Note: again, the online is a pilot, and there's no concrete indication so far that it's any quicker, esp for those who don't have to use expensive/slow courier or mail delivery services from far away.)

Good luck. Let us know if you find out what it was.