what if you dont include children

[Megabuff]

hi

I have 23yr son who live in London England and doesnt want to move to Canada

My 13yr old Daughter lives in australia with my X (who is not helpful or co-operative to me). My daughter doesnt want to come to Canada to live nor would her mother let her.

Is there any point putting them on my application?

 

[Decoy24601]

Yes, you have to declare them otherwise it will be considered misrepresentation. If I remember correctly, the 13 year old daughter will have to go through a medical exam.

"To become permanent residents, you and all your dependent children must complete a medical examination.

If your dependent child is a minor of whom you have joint or sole custody, that child is considered a dependant. The child will have to undergo a medical examination even if he lives with the other parent and will not be joining you in Canada.

Important information: Members of your family who are Canadian citizens or permanent residents do not need to pass a medical examination."

 

[gabba50]

You have to include them on your application even if there are not coming with you and I think they have to do medical test.
What the point? It will absolutely be impossible to bring them to Canada in the future. CIC will not recognise them if they were not listed on the first application. For example, if your EX is no longer there for some reasons, you will not be able to sponsor your daughter. you better list them and do medical unless you are sure that you will never want to sponsor them.

 

[Megabuff]

thanks again.

My X has sole custody of my daughter.

Neither of my siblings want to come to canada.

She would still need a medical if shes not comming? and what if her mum wont let her anyway?

 

[Decoy24601]

thanks again.

My X has sole custody of my daughter.

Neither of my siblings want to come to canada.

She would still need a medical if shes not comming? and what if her mum wont let her anyway?

If your ex has sole custody of your daughter, she will not need to do a medical exam. You will have to show proof that your ex has sole custody though.

Bottom line, you still have to declare your siblings/children in your application. Even if they won't ever come to Canada. Not doing so is misrepresentation, which is serious.

 

[Megabuff]

thanks Gabba.

so if it is 100% for sure they will never come to live, then its ok not to include them?

 

[Decoy24601]

thanks Gabba.

so if it is 100% for sure they will never come to live, then its ok not to include them?

No, not at all. It's considered misrepresentation if you don't include them. You have to include them even if they'll never come to Canada.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Neither of my siblings want to come to canada.

She would still need a medical if shes not comming? and what if her mum wont let her anyway?

Your siblings are not included in the app; they are simply listed on the Additional Family form.

Your 23 year old son is not a dependent and is not included; you need to list him on the Additional Family form.

Your daughter must be included in the app and have a medical done. If she doesn't, she will be forever excluded from the Family Class and you will never be able to sponsor her. If something were to happen to your ex, you would not be able to bring your child to Canada.

If the ex refuses to allow her to have the medical, you will need to document this. You will need a notarized statement explaining that you understand your child will be excluded forever. You can expect this to delay the process, as CIC does not like excluding dependent children.

 

[Decoy24601]

Your daughter must be included in the app and have a medical done. If she doesn't, she will be forever excluded from the Family Class and you will never be able to sponsor her. If something were to happen to your ex, you would not be able to bring your child to Canada.

I thought the daughter doesn't have to get the medical done? Megabuff stated that his/her ex has sole custody of their daughter.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

I thought the daughter doesn't have to get the medical done? Megabuff stated that his/her ex has sole custody of their daughter.

CIC will still expect him to attempt to get the medical done. As I said, they don't like to exclude dependent children. The fact that the ex has sole custody is what will allow CIC to continue to process the app if he shows he CAN'T get the child's medical done.

 

[Decoy24601]

CIC will still expect him to attempt to get the medical done. As I said, they don't like to exclude dependent children. The fact that the ex has sole custody is what will allow CIC to continue to process the app if he shows he CAN'T get the child's medical done.

Ah, alright. Thank you for the clarification.

 

[Megabuff]

thanks Guys

 

[flx2015]

gonna hijack this thread since OP seems to have found an answer to his question.

let's say i was in the same position as OP and thought that it would be fine to exclude family members who didn't want to move to canada, would the visa officers immediately reject the application and flag it as misrepresentation without giving me a chance to explain that it was an honest misunderstanding on my part?

 

[screech339]

gonna hijack this thread since OP seems to have found an answer to his question.

let's say i was in the same position as OP and thought that it would be fine to exclude family members who didn't want to move to canada, would the visa officers immediately reject the application and flag it as misrepresentation without giving me a chance to explain that it was an honest misunderstanding on my part?

It is hard to convince them that it was an honest mistake if you deliberately exclude them from the application, especially when the application says to list all your sons / daughters whether they are coming with you or not.

 

[gabba50]

gonna hijack this thread since OP seems to have found an answer to his question.

let's say i was in the same position as OP and thought that it would be fine to exclude family members who didn't want to move to canada, would the visa officers immediately reject the application and flag it as misrepresentation without giving me a chance to explain that it was an honest misunderstanding on my part?

It's not their fault if you don't understand the form, how would you explain "a honest misunderstanding" while it is clear that you have to include then even if they are not coming to Canada. I know someone who got rejected when asked he didn't include his brother who was living in US he said that their relationship was not good, the agent wasn't satisfied but he had other red flags.