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What are the options for Ph.D student ?

cchloveher

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Mar 30, 2015
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Hi, my application was returned by CIC due to the 500 cap reach today. On the ineligible letter, it also says that TA/RA is not counted towards work experience under FSWP. I believe in the new Express Entry system, TA/RA will not be counted either. In this case, it seems the only option for Ph.D students who haven't graduate is to wait till eligible for PNP. But even with PNP, it seems in order to apply under FSWP using EE, work experience is needed. Anyone can provide some insights? Are we stuck?
 

sketos

Full Member
Feb 1, 2015
29
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I'm a phD student too and I have 453 points. I received an ITA in the last draw.. So, there is no need to wait for PNP, you can just fill in an EE profile and see your points.
I have TA and RA experience but I did not get any points for that.. I got some points for foreign work experience but that's about it..
The only problem that I am facing is that I need to provide CIC with an Offer of employment and a letter of employment and universities cannot give you those documents, only sth close to them..
 

sketos

Full Member
Feb 1, 2015
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TA and RA have a NOC code (4012 I believe) and are in the list of eligible occupations. But it is not a continuous, full-time job, so that's why it is not counted...
 

omari

Member
Feb 10, 2015
17
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Hi Sketos, Do you still need a job offer even if the draw points are 453?

I also have work experience from before (4 years) and I am second year PhD student, so I wonder if I should apply. Did you use your RA/TA also as canadian experience with NOC 4012 or as a job offer?

Omar
 

sketos

Full Member
Feb 1, 2015
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I'm not sure if you need a job offer. You can't work off-campus since you are on a study permit, but TA/RA has a valid NOC code, so it should be considered a job offer.. I am a TA and RA since Jan 2013. So I declared them as 2 years canadian work experience and as current work. But since TA and RA are not considered continuous and full-time I got no points for canadian work experience. Also, TA and RA do not need a work permit and do not have and LMIA so I got no points for the job offer.
I don't know though what happens to the phD students on EE - they have released absolutely no information on that. I waited until my 3rd year cause one of the requirements before EE was to have completed two years towards you phD.
If your points under EE are close to the last draw, I say go for it! In the worst case your application will be rejected and you will reapply at the 3rd year..
As I mentioned before, CIC (after an ITA is issued) asks for an Offer and a Letter of employment.. It's really hard, if not impossible, to get such letters from a university. What i'll do is provide the offer of admission (that has the fundings for all the years) as an offer of employment and a letter from Human resources stating that I am employed (until the end of this semester) as a TA and RA. I hope these will do.
As far as proving the past work experience a letter from HR stating the job description, the salaries, the time-periods and the hours is enough.. I hope!
 

omari

Member
Feb 10, 2015
17
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Thanks for your reply. I will go for my IELTS and WES and make an application.
Good luck and Please keep us posted also with your process here. :)
 

april2014_AINP

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May 7, 2014
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Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
TA/ RA done while studying with a work permit does not qualify for CEC eligibility criteria (basic CEC eligibility criteria is one year of continuous skilled full time work experience earned while not studying). I don't know about FSW criteria. Only if you have any other work experience (while not studying), you might have a shot.