Ways of getting spouse to Canada from India

[Jim8888]

Hello,

I'm a PR of Canada and would be getting married to a girl, daughter of a family friend in India, this year. I am thinking of inviting them to Canada as tourist to visit me. Would this be an issue when she applies for her PR OR when I sponsor her as a spouse after we get married this year? I'm curious to know as we would not be mentioning anything in the invitation letter for their visitor visa that we plan on getting married this year and honestly, she is still a friend as we are not even engaged.

Also, once we get married, and she already has her visa, she can come with me to Canada and then we apply her PR to New Delhi and also file for a dependent visa as this is already in Canada.

Honestly, this was the best I could think of from all the strict rules Canada has imposed at the moment.

Any feedback is much appreciated.

Thanks

 

[innosense]

Getting TRV and visiting Canada will not be an issue while applying for PR.

There is no such thing as dependent visa.

 

[draxz1289]

Hello,

I'm a PR of Canada and would be getting married to a girl, daughter of a family friend in India, this year. I am thinking of inviting them to Canada as tourist to visit me. Would this be an issue when she applies for her PR OR when I sponsor her as a spouse after we get married this year? I'm curious to know as we would not be mentioning anything in the invitation letter for their visitor visa that we plan on getting married this year and honestly, she is still a friend as we are not even engaged.

Also, once we get married, and she already has her visa, she can come with me to Canada and then we apply her PR to New Delhi and also file for a dependent visa as this is already in Canada.

Honestly, this was the best I could think of from all the strict rules Canada has imposed at the moment.

Any feedback is much appreciated.

Thanks

Hey,

Congrats on your coming nuptials..

First off you cant apply for depend visa once you are a PR so the only way for a spouse to come here is on a visit visa or becoming a PR sponsored by the spouse.

In your case if she can get the visit visa before the marriage then go ahead and after the marriage she can come back with you and you guys can apply for outland sponsorship at the Delhi office.

 

[Jim8888]

Thanks a lot for your reply guys. I'm relieved that there won't be any issues with her PR if I invite her as a visitor before our wedding.

I know that I can send my spouses PR application anywhere in Canada or New Delhi and it does not matter if she is in Canada with me as a tourist. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

However, I was going through the CIC website and it looks like they have come up with a pilot program:

"One Year Pilot – Issuance of open work permits to applicants for permanent residence under the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class"

where spouse can get an open work permit if her PR is in processing, does not matter if the processing is in Canada or India.
Could someone please throw some light on this process?

Thanks in advance.

 

[innosense]

Thanks a lot for your reply guys. I'm relieved that there won't be any issues with her PR if I invite her as a visitor before our wedding.

I know that I can send my spouses PR application anywhere in Canada or New Delhi and it does not matter if she is in Canada with me as a tourist. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

However, I was going through the CIC website and it looks like they have come up with a pilot program:

"One Year Pilot – Issuance of open work permits to applicants for permanent residence under the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class"

where spouse can get an open work permit if her PR is in processing, does not matter if the processing is in Canada or India.
Could someone please throw some light on this process?

Thanks in advance.

OWP pilot is only for Inland applications. As of today, Inland processing time is extremely long.
You are better off applying Outland. You have to mail your app to Missisauga. After stage 1 approval they will send it to New Delhi.
You can apply outland even if your wife is visiting you in Canada.

 

[draxz1289]

Thanks a lot for your reply guys. I'm relieved that there won't be any issues with her PR if I invite her as a visitor before our wedding.

I know that I can send my spouses PR application anywhere in Canada or New Delhi and it does not matter if she is in Canada with me as a tourist. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

However, I was going through the CIC website and it looks like they have come up with a pilot program:

"One Year Pilot – Issuance of open work permits to applicants for permanent residence under the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class"

where spouse can get an open work permit if her PR is in processing, does not matter if the processing is in Canada or India.
Could someone please throw some light on this process?

Thanks in advance.

as innosense mentioned the OWP is only issued to in-land applicants and the wait time is over 24 months DONT I repeat DONT apply inland.
The OWP is a pilot program and its taking an where from 4-6 months get the the permit and y our wife to be will mostly get a 6 months visit visa as a tourist.

All applications will be processed at New Delhi which will be her visa office as per her nationality and not where she is currently at so even if she is in Canada you will send your forms etc along with hers to the Mississauga office who will verify you as a sponsor and they will transfer the file to New Delhi (this is the current process)

 

[Jim8888]

You guys rock!! Thanks a lot again, that is extremely helpful. ;D

Lastly, in order to invite her and her entire family to visit me (they may or may not visit me depending on the circumstances and it could be that she ends up coming to Canada directly after the wedding), I just have to send my PR card copy and a letter of invitation signed by me stating that they are my family friends, is that correct? As they will be the primary sponsor of their trip to Canada, they would've to show their financial documents not me, is that correct?

Thanks again

 

[draxz1289]

You guys rock!! Thanks a lot again, that is extremely helpful. ;D

Lastly, in order to invite her and her entire family to visit me (they may or may not visit me depending on the circumstances and it could be that she ends up coming to Canada directly after the wedding), I just have to send my PR card copy and a letter of invitation signed by me stating that they are my family friends, is that correct? As they will be the primary sponsor of their trip to Canada, they would've to show their financial documents not me, is that correct?

Thanks again

Oh boy this is a whole another topic

There are two scenarios:
You are showing your self as a sponsor (for the visit visa) for her and the family, in this case you have to show your bank info, employment details, tax info etc since you have to show you can support them for the trip etc and they will have to SHOW substantial ties that they will return back after the trip.

If they are supporting them selves then they will show how they plan to support the trip and have to SHOW substantial ties that they will return back after the trip.

This is the list another forum number used and posted for trip to visit her husband. We just applied for visit visa and our list was pretty much the same

""I am applying for a travel duration of ONE MONTH. (They issue a 6 month visa, but best not to say that she'll stay for 6 months!) It has to be long enough that it's believable, but short enough that it doesn't set off any alarm bells for them!

Here are the documents that I am submitting:
(Apart from all the filled in forms)

1. ITR for last 4 years
2. My invoices, Contracts & Purchase orders for my work. (to prove I have ties to home)
3. Aadhar card copy
4. Drivers license copy
5. Pan card copy
6. Marriage certificate
7. PCC for India & UK
8. Visa Medical (Mine has currently expired, so not sure I'll be sending that)
9. Bank statements of the last 6 months
10. Car ownership papers (with ongoing loan)
11. Return flight tickets (THIS IS VERY IMP APPARENTLY- NEVER BOOK A ONE WAY TICKET, THEY'LL SURELY REJECT THE VISA)
12. My travel & employment history (same as submitted for the PR visa application)
13. My resume
14. A kick ass cover letter giving reasons why I will not overstay the TRV and why I have to return to India after my trip.
15. A letter from my dad on a stamp paper saying I will return as per my flight dates.

My husband's documents:
16. His employment letter of confirmation from the company where he works
17. ITR filed in Canada
18. Pay stubs from the last 3 months
19. Bank Statements of last 6 months
20. PR Card copy
21. SPONSORSHIP APPROVAL LETTER (Super important)
22. Our travel together (flight tickets, hotel bookings etc)
23. Our photos together from the wedding & before & after the wedding- to establish that our marriage is real!(this is very important too, apparently, cuz one girl told me to send that in cuz they rejected her visa saying there isn't enough proof of her marriage- even though she submitted her marriage certificate copy! The NDVO peeps are bizzaro!)
25. Our viber chat messages from over 1 year (same as submitted for the PR application)
26. Travel insurance that my husband will buy (in Canada) once my fake tickets are booked- for the duration of my trip.
27. A notarized declaration from my husband stating he will pay for my expenses & that I will not be a burden on the Canadian handouts.
28. A notarized invitation letter (addressed to VO) from my husband inviting me to visit him in Canada.
29. A hand written personal invitation from him to me asking me come and visit him (this is a personal letter, with lovey-dovey words about how much he misses me and wants to see me) ""

 

[Jim8888]

Oh god!! that's a long list.
Well I think one has to submit these documents if he/she wants to have their spouse visit them in Canada after the wedding.

My situation is a bit different because in my case, we are not married nor engaged and plan to get married this summer in India. All I'm trying to do is secure her a Visitor visa before the wedding and engagement actually happens, so that I don't have to go through this massive list 8).

There are potentially 2 ways, I think she and her family could apply for a visitor visa:

A: Someone in Canada invites them. In this case since I'm their family friend and I plan to send them a letter of invitation with my PR card copy and they would be providing all the necessary supporting documents, including their financial documents showing enough funds that they could support their stay in Canada, showing that they want to visit Canada and visit me as well. I would not mention anything regarding our wedding plans as I don't think its important and based on our current marital status, we both are neither engaged nor married, we are just family friends who plan to get married in the near future.

B: They apply independently without stating my name anywhere in the application and try to obtain a visitor visa.

I think the first option might be a safe approach as we would not lie in the application about their affiliation with me in Canada. We would just not mention our wedding plans.

Does all this sound a viable approach? I was just concerned if we take Option A and her family gets the visitor visa, we should not get into trouble when I sponsor her after our wedding.

Thanks a lot again for all the help.

 

[ydj_dil]

Not to be negative, but be mentally prepared in case of rejection. I had similar plans for my wife, wanted to bring her over and we applied naviely thinking she will be in Canada with me on TRV for christmas break. We disclosed that we are going to be married. And we were hugely disappointed when the TRV got rejected. My wife even more so, and still holds it in her heart that Canada rejected her first TRV visa. I don't think we did a mistake by disclosing that we would be married, as it helped our PR in the end by showing that we did atleast attempt to stay together during our relationship.

Please think over properly whether or not you should disclose that you are going to be married soon, because you will have a lot of explaining to do for your PR. Remember that PR is a million times more important than a simple TRV, so tread carefully. It should not appear like you misrepresented in your TRV to bring her to Canada knowing full well that you were going to be married later on. When you submit your PR, you will be asked to tell when you first came to know each other and the whole story, and that date will be obviously earlier than when she arrived to Canada on TRV. Unless you patch that story up somehow, which is not what I would recommend, CIC will clearly know later on that your intent for the TRV was different than what you implied. So, yeah, not discouraging you, all the best, but be prepared for rejection if you disclose or for scrutiny if you don't.

EDIT: Oh and did I mention how bad it looks on the guy in Indian culture if TRV is rejected. All will say "Oh, he couldn't even take her to Canada on visitor Visa!! Wonder how he will take her on PR", which is such stupid because PR has more chances of success than TRV in cases of marriage.

 

[innosense]

Oh my ... the things that we have to think thru before we do anything with cic.

that was very well explained ydj_dil.

@Jim8888
you say u r still friends and not formally engaged. so this may very well be the next step to getting to know each other as friends and seeing if this relationship will work out. Thru the eyes of CIC, this can go in anyway, you may or may not get married. ( although in ur heart u may have made a decision already )

so you may just be safe there inviting her and her family to spend some time in Canada just as friends.

So remember this when you write your cover letter for PR. you will explain your relationship progress right from day 1 and thru the days of her visit to Canada and somewhere after her visit , say that u decided to get married and got engaged.
Unless you are formally engaged or common law, it is not a crime to be invited as a friend even though u r in love. Can this be seen as misrepresentation ?

 

[jhutti]

Jim bhai
You seems to playing with fire. Careful these days spouse visa are rejecting a lot. Best option is to get them apply TRV with a someone else passing supporting letter from here. Do not get involve for TRV. But ask your friend to send such letter. Best of luck

 

[ydj_dil]

A nice convincing story can always be made up - like you guys met as friends on this visit trip, fell in love, and decided to get engaged. I'm not sure how CIC will see it though - it can go either way. Did the girl fall in love with Canada on this trip and decided to lure this guy for PR? Or did they actually fall in love with each other? It depends on how convincingly the story is written.

But, question is, is it ethical to do this? You know in your heart that your marriage was already settled, and the only reason for not disclosing it to CIC is the hope that may be they will approve easily if they think its a casual trip, and hopefully not notice later on when PR comes, right? Aside from ethics, thats a risk to think about and take. I personally did not take that risk, and disclosed everything clearly to CIC both during TRV and then during PR. Yes, with my route, TRV got rejected, and wife got upset. With your route, TRV may get accepted, and PR may also be smooth anyway. No one knows. But, its a risk to think about.

 

[ydj_dil]

My personal advice is as follows: apply for TRV with your name, disclosing that she is your girlfriend. Don't hide it. Also, don't apply under someone else's name, as again, when PR comes they will know when she was in Canada, and since when you guys know each other. Its okay if TRV is rejected, prepare your girlfriend mentally for this. But your PR will be smooth as you have stronger relationship proof that you tried to be together and they only rejected TRV and kept you apart.

From my point of view, as soon as you guys got into a relationship, CIC's chances with TRV went down. If she didn't know you and came to Canada on TRV, that's a different story. But, she knows you, and you will get married soon. Don't hide this fact.

 

[Jim8888]

@ innosense
Thanks a lot for your help on this. I agree, it might be a bit tricky when I sponsor her PR in the next few months as I would not have mentioned about my wedding plans when I invited her.

@ ydj_dil
Sorry to hear that your spouse visa was rejected. But I agree with you completely, it would be difficult to come up with a story when I sponsor her PR.

Thanks a lot for all your help! this was really helpful for me to think it straight. You guys are awesome!!