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Visitor Visa - Employment Section Doubt

softfuel12

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Sep 26, 2012
265
18
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Toronto
NOC Code......
0213
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
14-08-2014
Doc's Request.
15-08-2014
AOR Received.
08-12-2014
Med's Request
02-02-2016
Med's Done....
29-02-2016
Passport Req..
04-03-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-03-2016
LANDED..........
21-03-2016
Hi,

I am sponsoring my brother in law to visit Canada. He currently runs a legit transport business which is in my father in law's name.

What should I write in the employment section?

Please advise.

Thanks,
 

Bryanna

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Sep 8, 2014
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Is he formally employed by your father-in-law ie employment letter, payslips (or bank deposits from the transport company each month), etc?
 

softfuel12

Hero Member
Sep 26, 2012
265
18
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Toronto
NOC Code......
0213
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
14-08-2014
Doc's Request.
15-08-2014
AOR Received.
08-12-2014
Med's Request
02-02-2016
Med's Done....
29-02-2016
Passport Req..
04-03-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-03-2016
LANDED..........
21-03-2016
No, there is no proof of employment. He is working for his dad without any payslip and employment letter. It's kind of common in this line of business.
 

Bryanna

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Sep 8, 2014
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softfuel12 said:
No, there is no proof of employment. He is working for his dad without any payslip and employment letter. It's kind of common in this line of business.
That's why I asked.

Saying he is employed (even though it is common to run the transport business like this)..... but unable to prove he is genuinely employed will not help for his TRV.

You may want to work on proving he is employed by your father-in-law + prove he earns a salary = employment ties


What you should fill in the TRV form is then easy
 

softfuel12

Hero Member
Sep 26, 2012
265
18
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Toronto
NOC Code......
0213
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
14-08-2014
Doc's Request.
15-08-2014
AOR Received.
08-12-2014
Med's Request
02-02-2016
Med's Done....
29-02-2016
Passport Req..
04-03-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-03-2016
LANDED..........
21-03-2016
I can arrange his employment letter but pay-slips would be totally fake as he is not on a fixed salary. He is now basically the owner. Does registering company under his name work?
 

Bryanna

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Sep 8, 2014
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Hi,

The best advice (which you have correctly said): Never submit false documents.... it would appear fake.

That's right too.... a fixed income may not be possible in this line of business.


How is your FIL's transport business registered (sole ownership or partnership firm with other partners)?.... If it is a single owner then your FIL can transfer all his rights and ownership in the business to his son. There's a whole bunch of paperwork involved for this process, including changing bank signatories, tax registrations, etc. You may want to speak with a Tax Consultant or a Chartered Accountant first.

Alternatively, do check the possibility of having your FIL issue a Power of Attorney in his son's name to manage and operate the business + to represent him for taxation and government matters pertaining to the business + to operate the bank account, etc etc.

For Option 2: Your BIL will still have to then prove he is earning an income from this business.... maybe for the income (salary + share in the profits) which are credited by the transport business bank account to his personal bank account..... for a few months before he applies for a TRV.

For both options, your BIL will have to submit tax returns for the business + his personal tax returns + other proofs that he manages the business on a day-to-day basis
 

softfuel12

Hero Member
Sep 26, 2012
265
18
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Toronto
NOC Code......
0213
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
14-08-2014
Doc's Request.
15-08-2014
AOR Received.
08-12-2014
Med's Request
02-02-2016
Med's Done....
29-02-2016
Passport Req..
04-03-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-03-2016
LANDED..........
21-03-2016
Thanks Bryanna for the detailed response.

I was thinking of showing him as unemployed. This will increase the risk of refusal but considering the short time window(Tickets already booked for 14th Dec) I have that might be the only option.
 

Bryanna

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Sep 8, 2014
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It's not a good idea to buy tickets before a TRV is issued. Anyway

Try to show some other ties:
Property ownership (in your BIL's name), other assets (financial, movable/immovable), dependent family left back in India, any previous travel history


All the best :)


Edit:
Do keep in mind that if you show your BIL as unemployed, then you'll have to maintain the same *unemployed* status for his employment dates whenever you apply for future visas.

You will not be able to later claim that he was employed/managing a business
 

softfuel12

Hero Member
Sep 26, 2012
265
18
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Toronto
NOC Code......
0213
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
14-08-2014
Doc's Request.
15-08-2014
AOR Received.
08-12-2014
Med's Request
02-02-2016
Med's Done....
29-02-2016
Passport Req..
04-03-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-03-2016
LANDED..........
21-03-2016
Thanks! :)

It is recommended to buy tickets beforehand as they provide proof that the tourist will be returning to the home country.
 

Bryanna

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Sep 8, 2014
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It is recommended to buy tickets beforehand as they provide proof that the tourist will be returning to the home country.
Not true.

There are several cases where processing time has crossed the flight dates..... or people have had TRV refusals. Also, what if someone cancels his/her return ticket after arriving in Canada?

Merely having a return ticket does not prove the person will return to his/her home country. Other proofs of ties matter. As for the ticket bookings, one should book provisional tickets (without paying) or prepare a flight itinerary for the visa application.

This advice *to not book confirmed tickets before a visa is issued* holds true for visas of any country, not just for Canada
 

softfuel12

Hero Member
Sep 26, 2012
265
18
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Toronto
NOC Code......
0213
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
14-08-2014
Doc's Request.
15-08-2014
AOR Received.
08-12-2014
Med's Request
02-02-2016
Med's Done....
29-02-2016
Passport Req..
04-03-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-03-2016
LANDED..........
21-03-2016
It worked for my mom, it was there in the CIC checklist. She got her VISA approved in three days. Fingers crossed for this one though :)
 

Bryanna

VIP Member
Sep 8, 2014
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Visa officers may be a bit more lenient/easy when it comes to parents' applications.... not for everyone else. Also, each case is different and unique. Perhaps your mom showed more stronger ties. Anyway

We'll be curious to know the outcome of your BIL's TRV application. Hope you'll post


All the best :)
 

softfuel12

Hero Member
Sep 26, 2012
265
18
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Toronto
NOC Code......
0213
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
14-08-2014
Doc's Request.
15-08-2014
AOR Received.
08-12-2014
Med's Request
02-02-2016
Med's Done....
29-02-2016
Passport Req..
04-03-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-03-2016
LANDED..........
21-03-2016
Sure, I will. Thanks!!
 

sokosan

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Aug 6, 2015
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How did it go?

What I know worked for other people in the same situation as your brother-in-law was an official letter (stating employment and income) + a bank account with a sufficiently high enough balance.

The problem of course is if they ask for extra documents...which you cannot provide.

It all depends also on the country the visitor is from...if it's a place from which the Canadian authorities have registered a lot of overstaying visitors, illegal workers, refugee claimants etc., then they are likely to be more diligent and perform extra checks and ask for extra documents. If not, then you will be OK.

Also, other ties help, as other people say. If his only tie to his home country would be the employment, it is more likely that the letter + bank balance info would not be enough, and they would ask for extra things (bank statements etc.). However, if he also owns property (like the apartment/house he lives in), has a a lot of family members (especially wife, kids, etc.) in his home country and so on, then the employment thing is just one more thing on the checklist and it's more likely they won't go into details.