Visiting from TKM(Central Asia) Few questions.

[SkrainDukat]

Hello everyone, this is my first post here so bear with me if i do or ask some things that may have already been answered which i may have missed.

I have noterized a letter of invitation to my aunt and cousin who are citizens of TKM for a visit of six months.

The reason is for a family visit.

Now i have read quite a few threads here and some of the rejections that people have gotten here seem quite odd and gives me the felling that it is a luck draw type of process.
At first i had the impression that they HAVE to deny a certain quota of people that they deem are going to reapply again anyway and rack in more money as it is their job and covers alot of the fees involved with it(such as wages) etc...
But after seeing here that some people who i personally would have denied got their visa approved i would weight in more towards chance than anything else.

SO

She will be coming with her son who is currently on holidays from school until september.
There is not much use for a bank account in TKM so we will deposit money in a new account and show that as proof of funds with explanation that banking is useless in a cash economy(at least in TKM). Also as for the amount she will be taking with her, i am at a loss as to how much is enough for the officials? I lived in Canada all my life and have never spent more than 800$ a month for loving expenses on myself, so how much do they expect a person from the 3rd world to have and spend? Do note that My family and I will be covering all of their expenses here and i mean ALL.
She has been working a job for 14 years and has recently changed jobs to go work in the capital for more money so employment is not an issue here for her. How would cic look at this sudden change of jobs and application for a visit? We will upload the pay stubs and letters from employers.
She owns a new car and has real estate valued at $60k plenty of brothers and sisters some of who are employed by US NGO's (all this meaning she has a life here). How does that seem for a reason to return? I was told by a person that she would be better off leaving her son behind with someone who can take care of him during the visit but that is just pardon the word but... retarded, whats the point of a family invitation if half the invited people stay behind?
Then there is also the question of HOW LONG to visit. The LOI asks for six months to be able to cover both summer and winter seasons to do some great sight seeing and activities that are otherwise non existent in a desert country. But sadly it seems like most people here recommend a super short visa, max ive seen being suggested here was 3 weeks.
Is this really a huge problem to actualy ask for anything more? I mean if someone would use that six months visitor visa to work "under the table" would'nt it be much more logical to apply for a work visa and go from there? Why so much paranoia over this issue? How would i go about convincing the cic agent not to worry?

Another thing is: can i actually provide TOO much papers and documents to hurt my case? as in give the impression that they and we are desperate?

Thanks in advance...

 

[scylla]

I mean if someone would use that six months visitor visa to work "under the table" would'nt it be much more logical to apply for a work visa and go from there? Why so much paranoia over this issue? How would i go about convincing the cic agent not to worry?

You can't just apply for a work visa. To apply for a work visa you first need a full time offer of employment from an employer in Canada. That employer then needs to obtain an approved LMIA (approval to hire a foreign worker). As part of this process the employer must advertise the job for at least a month to prove that no Canadian could be hired for the role and then pay a $1K processing fee to have the LMIA approved. This process can take anywhere from 6-20 weeks (not counting the 1 month of advertising).

As a result, some poeple skip this process, come to Canada on a visitor visa and then work illegally. It's got nothing to do with paranoia. It's got to do with what really happens.

 

[scylla]

Just to add... I would personally keep the visit to a month or two tops. A six month visit is too long and would negate some of the ties you plan to present. For example, a job can't be that permanent if they allow you to take six months off. Once a job allows you to take six months off, CIC won't see this job as being a strong tie to the home country.

 

[Jalex23]

Hello everyone, this is my first post here so bear with me if i do or ask some things that may have already been answered which i may have missed.

I have noterized a letter of invitation to my aunt and cousin who are citizens of TKM for a visit of six months.

The reason is for a family visit.

Now i have read quite a few threads here and some of the rejections that people have gotten here seem quite odd and gives me the felling that it is a luck draw type of process.
At first i had the impression that they HAVE to deny a certain quota of people that they deem are going to reapply again anyway and rack in more money as it is their job and covers alot of the fees involved with it(such as wages) etc...
But after seeing here that some people who i personally would have denied got their visa approved i would weight in more towards chance than anything else.

On the multiple cases I have seen the main reason for refusal is that people don't know how to properly file documents. The second reason is that they "read between lines" and the third reason is that they don't understand what the purpose of a VISA is and why is it requested for their country therefore not solving this issues well in advance.

Luck is a factor I have not seen at all in cases in this forum (only for processing time luck is indeed a factor).

Is this really a huge problem to actualy ask for anything more? I mean if someone would use that six months visitor visa to work "under the table" would'nt it be much more logical to apply for a work visa and go from there? Why so much paranoia over this issue? How would i go about convincing the cic agent not to worry?

Paranoia? You can thank people like this one for what you call "paranoia":

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/philippines-just-arrived-here-in-alberta-t227993.0.html

Another thing is: can i actually provide TOO much papers and documents to hurt my case? as in give the impression that they and we are desperate?

Yes. The more papers you chose to show the more support documentation of the support documentation has to be submitted, more questions are raised and more chances to get denied.

 

[SkrainDukat]

Thanks for the replies you two!

I think there was a tiny misunderstanding. On the work visa issue i meant it as why not just apply for the WV from home and arrive to CND with that rather than trying to get it on a visitor visa? So logic is out the door because of abuses from the likes of that filipino thread?

anyway...

JAlex: What sections should i ignore in the online application, they have provided all the documents that are required by CIC and are insisting that we upload them all, but they are from a very bureaucratic country and are now confused as to how much is too much and how little is too little...?


Scylla: Thanks for that info! I'll keep it in mind for the future, i was kind of curious about it before. In this case it is just visiting and prospecting for a university for my cousin who is two years away from graduation.



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I have checked the immigration statistics on Canada on the Wiki... there are 19 turkmens that immigrated to CND in 2011...
Compared to fili,china and india i would say they are considered low-risk? Are such things taken into account by the CIC agents?

 

[Jalex23]

I think there was a tiny misunderstanding. On the work visa issue i meant it as why not just apply for the WV from home and arrive to CND with that rather than trying to get it on a visitor visa? So logic is out the door because of abuses from the likes of that filipino thread?

Logic points that people will try to abuse the system if given the chance.

JAlex: What sections should i ignore in the online application, they have provided all the documents that are required by CIC and are insisting that we upload them all, but they are from a very bureaucratic country and are now confused as to how much is too much and how little is too little...?

You can ignore anything from the optional section, of curse you have to asses the consequences (I ignored used of a representative because I didn't use one).

From the other you will have to decide. Just be sure not to volunteer information, for example if they ask you about your maritial status, then provide the marriage certificate. DOn't tell the story of your life. Be concise, enough information to make it clear, but never go beyond that.

I have checked the immigration statistics on Canada on the Wiki... there are 19 turkmens that immigrated to CND in 2011...
Compared to fili,china and india i would say they are considered low-risk? Are such things taken into account by the CIC agents?

Wiki shouldn't be taken seriously. Regardless if that was true then yes, it would be taken into account.