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VISA Application sent to the wrong VISA Office.

ThunderSoul

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May 15, 2012
426
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Hi everyone, how are you all doing?
I hope you're all well!

So what happened to us (myself the sponsor and my wife the applicant) is that they mixed up the offices of where they were supposed to process the second stage of the application.
The approval letter I received mentioned the Manila office from the Philippines as being the one in charge to process her application (since she is from the Philippines and that's where we got married). However, her application was sent to the New Delhi office in India. She has 0 ties with India and CIC failed to acknowledge their mistake. In fact, I spoke with CIC phone reps and one said they heard of this before and most others said they never heard of something like this happening. Everyone I talked to say this is very strange and bizarre. What about you?

Has anyone heard about a similar situation before?

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated...

Thank you!
 

ccunnington

Hero Member
Nov 19, 2011
548
7
Sincelejo, Colombia
Category........
Visa Office......
Bogota
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
01-03-2012
AOR Received.
19-06-2012 (Mississauga). 06-11-2012 (Bogota).
File Transfer...
11-07-2012
Med's Done....
10-09-2012
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
13-02-2013
VISA ISSUED...
21-02-2013
Haven't heard of that before, but not surprising mistakes like that happen due to the sheer volume of applications processed every year, and also not surprising that they won't acknowledge their mistake. Has it been forwarded to the proper office yet?
 

ThunderSoul

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May 15, 2012
426
4
ccunnington said:
Haven't heard of that before, but not surprising mistakes like that happen due to the sheer volume of applications processed every year, and also not surprising that they won't acknowledge their mistake. Has it been forwarded to the proper office yet?
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No...
Apparently it will take just 2 months for them to receive the message... and lucky if they will even read it? And if they don't know, maybe 8 months before we can talk about it to CIC because "your time isn't up yet so we won't talk to you about it", and if they know, who knows how many months before they send it over... These guys are disorganized hippopotamuses...
 

canadiangirl78

Champion Member
Mar 1, 2012
2,345
30
Category........
Visa Office......
Mexico
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Feb 21
AOR Received.
Mississauga: May 10, Mexico: June 4
File Transfer...
May 16
Med's Done....
Dec 21, 2011
Interview........
Waived!
Passport Req..
July 6
VISA ISSUED...
July 13
LANDED..........
August 2, 2012
LOL @ hippo metaphor. You never run out of insults do you TS? :)

They will read the case specific enquiry. There's a tracking number attached to each one I've read. You need to get help from OCanadiana.
 

ccunnington

Hero Member
Nov 19, 2011
548
7
Sincelejo, Colombia
Category........
Visa Office......
Bogota
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
01-03-2012
AOR Received.
19-06-2012 (Mississauga). 06-11-2012 (Bogota).
File Transfer...
11-07-2012
Med's Done....
10-09-2012
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
13-02-2013
VISA ISSUED...
21-02-2013
This might be the time to contact your MP and see if they can get you an answer, however they are not always cooperative
 

ThunderSoul

Hero Member
May 15, 2012
426
4
canadiangirl78 said:
LOL @ hippo metaphor. You never run out of insults do you TS? :)

They will read the case specific enquiry. There's a tracking number attached to each one I've read. You need to get help from OCanadiana.

Who's OCanadian?
Furthermore, what tracking number? I don't remember seeing any...
 

Steph C

VIP Member
Nov 11, 2009
3,052
71
Category........
Visa Office......
Manila
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
April 30 2012
Doc's Request.
N/A
File Transfer...
Sep 27 2012
Med's Request
April 15 2013 (re-med)
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
March 18 2013
VISA ISSUED...
May 22 2013
LANDED..........
June 6 2013
Yes, contact your MP for sure. That's ridiculous! What a nightmare..
 

canadiangirl78

Champion Member
Mar 1, 2012
2,345
30
Category........
Visa Office......
Mexico
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Feb 21
AOR Received.
Mississauga: May 10, Mexico: June 4
File Transfer...
May 16
Med's Done....
Dec 21, 2011
Interview........
Waived!
Passport Req..
July 6
VISA ISSUED...
July 13
LANDED..........
August 2, 2012
ThunderSoul said:
Who's OCanadian?
Furthermore, what tracking number? I don't remember seeing any...
I don't know - just something I thought OCanadiana said once. Here is her profile - she's amazing.
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/profiles/OhCanadiana-u39381.html
 

OhCanadiana

VIP Member
Feb 27, 2010
3,086
217
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
ThunderSoul said:
Hi everyone, how are you all doing?
I hope you're all well!

So what happened to us (myself the sponsor and my wife the applicant) is that they mixed up the offices of where they were supposed to process the second stage of the application.
The approval letter I received mentioned the Manila office from the Philippines as being the one in charge to process her application (since she is from the Philippines and that's where we got married). However, her application was sent to the New Delhi office in India. She has 0 ties with India and CIC failed to acknowledge their mistake. In fact, I spoke with CIC phone reps and one said they heard of this before and most others said they never heard of something like this happening. Everyone I talked to say this is very strange and bizarre. What about you?

Has anyone heard about a similar situation before?

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated...

Thank you!
I'm sorry to hear this. You must be very frustrated and feeling overwhelmed by uncertainty.

Yes, mistakes happen (CIC is run by human beings, after all ;) ) Hopefully it's of some comfort that this type of thing is planned for: OP-1 has a full section on file transfers (see below). There's also info in various other manuals IIRC. To ensure process integrity, the file will be sent to the visa office that can best assess your application and you will retain your priority in the queue based on the lock-in date (ie, the date the full application was received) ... so they will slot your application in to the right place once the correct visa office receives it.

A few suggestions:
1. Send a case specific enquiry to the New Delhi office including all your info (name, UCI number, DOB in the form and also include it in the message). You should get a confirmation message that they received it. Assuming the info you got is correct and it has already been sent to New Delhi they will need to be the ones to send it back to CPC-M for rerouting.

2. Consider sending a fax to CPC-M to ask them to intervene on your behalf. Their fax number is available at here.

If you don't hear back soon, send a fax to the New Delhi office Program Manager, attaching a copy of the documentation to show that the applicant has ties to Manila only and NONE to New Delhi. Your challenge is that applicants cannot request visa transfers - the system has to realize it made a mistake and follow the procedures to correct it.

I noticed you said there are zero ties to New Delhi - for reference of others who may read this, CIC will send your file to the visa office that makes the most sense based on your background, documents, and history for program integrity purposes.

Good luck. Hang in there - as hard as it may be right now to imagine, they will make it right and get your application processed :)


"5.19. File transfer
Notwithstanding the reasons that may warrant creating a file before visa offices have determined if
an applicant meets the requirements of R11, it is strongly recommended that visa offices avoid
creating a file on an application until it has been determined their visa office is responsible for
processing that person's application.
When some doubt exists regarding the applicant's residency status and/or the office's jurisdiction,
and available information is open to interpretation, a local procedure should be implemented to
determine if the requirements under R11 have been met. Some visa offices may choose to
automatically refer such a file to a visa officer for review and decision, while some offices may
entrust this responsibility to a designated individual who has the necessary expertise to make
such an assessment.
If a serious doubt exists about an applicant's country of residence or the office responsible for
processing the application, and in order to avoid a situation where the recommended office could
also refuse to process the application due to lack of jurisdiction, the applicant should be asked to
make the determination based on information available on CIC's Internet site, the address of
which is to be provided. If it appears that the applicant has no access to the Internet, the applicant
should be given the necessary information, including a list of offices showing the countries for
which the office is responsible, to assist the applicant in determining where to send the
application.
Visa offices are not required to transfer applications for permanent or temporary residence to
Canada upon the request of applicants or their designated representatives. Visa offices should
transfer files only if that transfer would enhance program integrity. Conversely, visa offices should
refuse to transfer files if such a transfer diminishes program integrity. Officers should consider
consulting potential receiving visa offices to seek assistance in finalizing cases before transferring
a file.
The onus is on the applicant to demonstrate that the transfer of their file would not compromise
the integrity of the application evaluation process.
Program integrity includes issues such as ability to effectively evaluate documents; knowledge of
local security and criminality environments; or familiarity with business practices and procedures.
Other factors may be taken into account when evaluating the impact of a file transfer on the
program integrity of visa programs.
As part of program integrity considerations, officers should also be mindful that the intent of R11 is
to ensure that, as much as possible, visa applications are reviewed by the offices with the local
knowledge and expertise necessary to conduct an effective case review.
While the Regulations define where an application must be submitted, they do not stipulate where
an application must be processed. At times, visa offices may independently decide that issues of
program integrity merit the transfer of an application to another visa office. In these cases, the visa
office should immediately inform the applicant of the file transfer. When transferring files, visa
offices should be mindful of the resource implications for the receiving visa office and, therefore,
should notify the receiving visa office of upcoming transfers, particularly multiple transfers. When
transferring a file to another office, officers should ensure that the reasons for the transfer are
clearly documented.
On those occasions when a case is facilitated through early admission, the file will be transferred
to CPC-Vegreville for finalization once all statutory requirements have been completed abroad.
For more information about early admission and the issuance of a temporary resident permit, see
OP 20, section 5.15.
For assessment purposes, visa offices receiving a transferred file must respect the original date
on which the application was received as the “lock-in” date. For processing purposes, all
processing steps for the files transferred to an office, including the scheduling of interviews,
should be the same as for all other applications received in the office on the date corresponding to
the “lock-in” date of the received file. This means that an application that is received in Paris in
July 2002 and transferred to New Delhi in March 2003, would enter the New Delhi queue as of
July 2002.
See also Section 5.24 Lock-in date.
There are no fees applicable to file transfer requests."
Source: OP-1
 

canadiangirl78

Champion Member
Mar 1, 2012
2,345
30
Category........
Visa Office......
Mexico
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Feb 21
AOR Received.
Mississauga: May 10, Mexico: June 4
File Transfer...
May 16
Med's Done....
Dec 21, 2011
Interview........
Waived!
Passport Req..
July 6
VISA ISSUED...
July 13
LANDED..........
August 2, 2012
"you will retain your priority in the queue based on the lock-in date (ie, the date the full application was received) ... so they will slot your application in to the right place once the correct visa office receives it."

Well that is great news right TS? It will get sorted out and you won't lose your place in line. Sorry for the stress though.

Thanks OCanadiana! (I am hearing the Superman theme song in my head ;D)
 

ThunderSoul

Hero Member
May 15, 2012
426
4
OhCanadiana said:
I'm sorry to hear this. You must be very frustrated and feeling overwhelmed by uncertainty.

Yes, mistakes happen (CIC is run by human beings, after all ;) ) Hopefully it's of some comfort that this type of thing is planned for: OP-1 has a full section on file transfers (see below). There's also info in various other manuals IIRC. To ensure process integrity, the file will be sent to the visa office that can best assess your application and you will retain your priority in the queue based on the lock-in date (ie, the date the full application was received) ... so they will slot your application in to the right place once the correct visa office receives it.

A few suggestions:
1. Send a case specific enquiry to the New Delhi office including all your info (name, UCI number, DOB in the form and also include it in the message). You should get a confirmation message that they received it. Assuming the info you got is correct and it has already been sent to New Delhi they will need to be the ones to send it back to CPC-M for rerouting.

2. Consider sending a fax to CPC-M to ask them to intervene on your behalf. Their fax number is available at here.

If you don't hear back soon, send a fax to the New Delhi office Program Manager, attaching a copy of the documentation to show that the applicant has ties to Manila only and NONE to New Delhi. Your challenge is that applicants cannot request visa transfers - the system has to realize it made a mistake and follow the procedures to correct it.

I noticed you said there are zero ties to New Delhi - for reference of others who may read this, CIC will send your file to the visa office that makes the most sense based on your background, documents, and history for program integrity purposes.

Good luck. Hang in there - as hard as it may be right now to imagine, they will make it right and get your application processed :)


"5.19. File transfer
Notwithstanding the reasons that may warrant creating a file before visa offices have determined if
an applicant meets the requirements of R11, it is strongly recommended that visa offices avoid
creating a file on an application until it has been determined their visa office is responsible for
processing that person's application.
When some doubt exists regarding the applicant's residency status and/or the office's jurisdiction,
and available information is open to interpretation, a local procedure should be implemented to
determine if the requirements under R11 have been met. Some visa offices may choose to
automatically refer such a file to a visa officer for review and decision, while some offices may
entrust this responsibility to a designated individual who has the necessary expertise to make
such an assessment.
If a serious doubt exists about an applicant's country of residence or the office responsible for
processing the application, and in order to avoid a situation where the recommended office could
also refuse to process the application due to lack of jurisdiction, the applicant should be asked to
make the determination based on information available on CIC's Internet site, the address of
which is to be provided. If it appears that the applicant has no access to the Internet, the applicant
should be given the necessary information, including a list of offices showing the countries for
which the office is responsible, to assist the applicant in determining where to send the
application.
Visa offices are not required to transfer applications for permanent or temporary residence to
Canada upon the request of applicants or their designated representatives. Visa offices should
transfer files only if that transfer would enhance program integrity. Conversely, visa offices should
refuse to transfer files if such a transfer diminishes program integrity. Officers should consider
consulting potential receiving visa offices to seek assistance in finalizing cases before transferring
a file.
The onus is on the applicant to demonstrate that the transfer of their file would not compromise
the integrity of the application evaluation process.
Program integrity includes issues such as ability to effectively evaluate documents; knowledge of
local security and criminality environments; or familiarity with business practices and procedures.
Other factors may be taken into account when evaluating the impact of a file transfer on the
program integrity of visa programs.
As part of program integrity considerations, officers should also be mindful that the intent of R11 is
to ensure that, as much as possible, visa applications are reviewed by the offices with the local
knowledge and expertise necessary to conduct an effective case review.
While the Regulations define where an application must be submitted, they do not stipulate where
an application must be processed. At times, visa offices may independently decide that issues of
program integrity merit the transfer of an application to another visa office. In these cases, the visa
office should immediately inform the applicant of the file transfer. When transferring files, visa
offices should be mindful of the resource implications for the receiving visa office and, therefore,
should notify the receiving visa office of upcoming transfers, particularly multiple transfers. When
transferring a file to another office, officers should ensure that the reasons for the transfer are
clearly documented.
On those occasions when a case is facilitated through early admission, the file will be transferred
to CPC-Vegreville for finalization once all statutory requirements have been completed abroad.
For more information about early admission and the issuance of a temporary resident permit, see
OP 20, section 5.15.
For assessment purposes, visa offices receiving a transferred file must respect the original date
on which the application was received as the “lock-in” date. For processing purposes, all
processing steps for the files transferred to an office, including the scheduling of interviews,
should be the same as for all other applications received in the office on the date corresponding to
the “lock-in” date of the received file. This means that an application that is received in Paris in
July 2002 and transferred to New Delhi in March 2003, would enter the New Delhi queue as of
July 2002.
See also Section 5.24 Lock-in date.
There are no fees applicable to file transfer requests."
Source: OP-1





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1. Send a case specific enquiry to the New Delhi office including all your info (name, UCI number, DOB in the form and also include it in the message). You should get a confirmation message that they received it. Assuming the info you got is correct and it has already been sent to New Delhi they will need to be the ones to send it back to CPC-M for rerouting.
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Already done (except those details were not in the message). No confirmation received. The info I got is correct, it has been confirmed by Ottawa that her application is in New Delhi. So basically you are saying that they never received our case specific inquiries?

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2. Consider sending a fax to CPC-M to ask them to intervene on your behalf. Their fax number is available at here.
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Already sent a fax to CPC-M. No replies. Nothing.


How do I send a fax to the New Delhi office Program Manager? Their Immigration fax is broken. I sent one to Mission fax.
Here's what we did:

1) Replied to re-delhi e-mail that sent the PPR.
2) Sent an e-mail to delhi e-mail from my wife's account.
3) Sent an e-mail to delhi e-mail from my account.
4) Wife sent specific case inquiry to Manila.
5) Wife sent specific case inquiry to New Delhi.
6) I sent specific case inquiry to Manila.
7) I sent specific case inquiry to New Delhi.
8) I faxed Manila (Immigration fax).
9) I faxed New Delhi (Mission fax because Immigration fax was broken).
10) I faxed Mississauga.
11) I e-mailed Ottawa (they replied confirming application is in New Delhi).

I feel like I'll be blocked for spamming. ROFL.

Based on your message, I did not include the details of the fields in the message itself.
I also am not sure if they care about Fax Format? I did not send a cover page with subject/title, just the e-mail body with the details. Do you know if they care about cover pages? In the fax was a short letter requesting a transfer and letting them about the mixup as well as my approval letter that requested the Manila office and the PPR from New Delhi.

After 4 days: nothing.
So, how do I send a fax to the New Delhi office Program Manager?
Are you sure a case specific inquiry will send a confirmation message to the provided e-mail?

"the file will be sent to the visa office that can best assess your application and you will retain your priority in the queue based on the lock-in date"
My concern is if my file will ever be found and sent to the right office, and will they receive it within the allotted time period.
 

canadiangirl78

Champion Member
Mar 1, 2012
2,345
30
Category........
Visa Office......
Mexico
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Feb 21
AOR Received.
Mississauga: May 10, Mexico: June 4
File Transfer...
May 16
Med's Done....
Dec 21, 2011
Interview........
Waived!
Passport Req..
July 6
VISA ISSUED...
July 13
LANDED..........
August 2, 2012
You've done everything right TS. Remember you don't lose your spot. It just takes more time than you'd like for them to get back to you. This is why people should not email over frivolous stuff. Takes up so much time and longer for them to get to your real problem.
 

ThunderSoul

Hero Member
May 15, 2012
426
4
canadiangirl78 said:
You've done everything right TS. Remember you don't lose your spot. It just takes more time than you'd like for them to get back to you. This is why people should not email over frivolous stuff. Takes up so much time and longer for them to get to your real problem.

Yeah exactly. Some people have some real problems. What do people e-mail? "Hey, does my UCI end with a 2 or with a 3? Uhhh *points finger to head* me konf00zed...".
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Seriously, there are people with real problems. Even a LOST application!