Verification Of Status (Before Returning To Canada)

[NorthBoundLife]

Hi Everyone,

I’m a Canadian permanent resident, but I left Canada when I was 6 and haven’t lived there since. I want to return and start over, and I need to make sure I still have my PR status.

I’m planning to apply for Verification of Status (VOS) to confirm my PR. I’m thinking of coming back through America since applying for a PRTD usually doesn’t work in my situation.

Has anyone gone through this process? How do I apply for VOS, and are there any tips to make sure everything goes smoothly, especially since I haven’t met the residency obligation?

 

[Naturgrl]

How old are you? Do you have a US visa? Apply for VOS and find out. Then go through US land border. If you never got a SIN number then it will be difficult (impossible) for you to work. You need valid PR to apply. Most likely you will not be able to get a driver's license or access provincial health care until you can renew PR. So make sure you are coming with a lot of money and health insurance.

 

[NorthBoundLife]

I have a SIN But My Health Card Is Expired, Also im 21 now, I Have To Apply For A Non Immigrant Visa To the US As Well, that itself is a long and stressful process but its worth it I guess. Does Applying For VOS start a residency determination???

 

[Naturgrl]

I have a SIN But My Health Card Is Expired, Also im 21 now, I Have To Apply For A Non Immigrant Visa To the US As Well, that itself is a long and stressful process but its worth it I guess. Does Applying For VOS start a residency determination???

You will find out if still PR if you apply for VOS. When you enter Canada, CBSA may start the process to revoke your status. You will then want to get a lawyer if that happens but you will be let into the country. You will not have health care or be able to get a driver's license until PR so get a few years of health insurance. You don't leave until you meet residency obligations. You may or may not find a job because unemployment is high. So bring lots of money to survive.

Getting a US may be a real challenge as they will know you are a PR holder and only coming to the US to get to Canada.

 

[lovelytobeinvincible]

Hi Everyone,

I’m a Canadian permanent resident, but I left Canada when I was 6 and haven’t lived there since. I want to return and start over, and I need to make sure I still have my PR status.

I’m planning to apply for Verification of Status (VOS) to confirm my PR. I’m thinking of coming back through America since applying for a PRTD usually doesn’t work in my situation.

Has anyone gone through this process? How do I apply for VOS, and are there any tips to make sure everything goes smoothly, especially since I haven’t met the residency obligation?

If Your Get A b1/b2 visa I guess you would have a chance to enter Canada without being reported altho its not definite, make sure to explain your case to the border officer since you 21 thats relatively soon since turning 18 thats a positive factor if you consider h and c reasons altho unlike earlier times the factor "left as a child itself isnt enough to warrant special relief" altho on a balance of probabilities you would have a good chance.Several people have been waived through like this before ive also seen a case where the individual was 30 yrs old when they returned and were still waived through altho remember its upto the officer himself.Also As pointed above here that even if you were waived through you would have a extremely rough time waiting 2 full yrs, yes having a SIN makes things better but still without health or a drivers license its pretty tough specially if you are alone, Do You have family in Canada????

 

[NorthBoundLife]

You will find out if still PR if you apply for VOS. When you enter Canada, CBSA may start the process to revoke your status. You will then want to get a lawyer if that happens but you will be let into the country. You will not have health care or be able to get a driver's license until PR so get a few years of health insurance. You don't leave until you meet residency obligations. You may or may not find a job because unemployment is high. So bring lots of money to survive.

Getting a US may be a real challenge as they will know you are a PR holder and only coming to the US to get to Canada.

Helpful Feedback Thanks!!!

 

[NorthBoundLife]

If Your Get A b1/b2 visa I guess you would have a chance to enter Canada without being reported altho its not definite, make sure to explain your case to the border officer since you 21 thats relatively soon since turning 18 thats a positive factor if you consider h and c reasons altho unlike earlier times the factor "left as a child itself isnt enough to warrant special relief" altho on a balance of probabilities you would have a good chance.Several people have been waived through like this before ive also seen a case where the individual was 30 yrs old when they returned and were still waived through altho remember its upto the officer himself.Also As pointed above here that even if you were waived through you would have a extremely rough time waiting 2 full yrs, yes having a SIN makes things better but still without health or a drivers license its pretty tough specially if you are alone, Do You have family in Canada????

Yes My Siblings Are Canadian Citizens, Thanks For Your Feedback!

 

[Naturgrl]

If Your Get A b1/b2 visa I guess you would have a chance to enter Canada without being reported altho its not definite, make sure to explain your case to the border officer since you 21 thats relatively soon since turning 18 thats a positive factor if you consider h and c reasons altho unlike earlier times the factor "left as a child itself isnt enough to warrant special relief" altho on a balance of probabilities you would have a good chance.Several people have been waived through like this before ive also seen a case where the individual was 30 yrs old when they returned and were still waived through altho remember its upto the officer himself.Also As pointed above here that even if you were waived through you would have a extremely rough time waiting 2 full yrs, yes having a SIN makes things better but still without health or a drivers license its pretty tough specially if you are alone, Do You have family in Canada????

Agree. OP will be let into Canada but it may trigger revoking PR. Coming as an adult is never easy as OP should have applied for PRTD as a teen. Too late know. OP you are lucky you have family who can support you in Canada for the years you wait to renew PR. Don't leave, bring money and get health insurance. If you get notice that your PR is being revoked then hire a lawyer.

First step is that you need a US visa which will be a challenge.

 

[lovelytobeinvincible]

Agree. OP will be let into Canada but it may trigger revoking PR. Coming as an adult is never easy as OP should have applied for PRTD as a teen. Too late know. OP you are lucky you have family who can support you in Canada for the years you wait to renew PR. Don't leave, bring money and get health insurance. If you get notice that your PR is being revoked then hire a lawyer.

First step is that you need a US visa which will be a challenge.

Yes.
Completely Agree
OP If I were you id be more focused on getting a visit visa to the United States and in my opinion this would be your most difficult step.Also due note when you apply for a visit visa they ask you "Are you a permanent resident of any other country" so you'd have to explain yourself there.

Also recently or sometimes it has been noted or pointed out that when you come through land you might not even know that you were reported sometimes they schedule this for later.There was a case I saw that the person had come like this gotten a departure order and he dint even know it, when they applied for a renewal the application was returned cause he/she was no longer a PR since there was a section 44 issued and they missed the appeal time.Also I agree that you should immediately talk to a lawyer.

Finally id like to note that if getting a visa is not possible apply for a PRTD With Humanitarian and Compassionate Reasons Altho this is quite dangerous, unpredictable time consuming and frankly if it were to be refused there its no point of appealing because it is very hard to win a residency obligation appeal outside Canada. You can see tons of IAD cases where it is just dismissed.

The Good thing about coming through USA with an expired PR card is that you might be waived in also if you were to be reported your IAD hearing would most likely be in 1.5/2 yrs this is enough time to build ties to Canada and since you already have Strong Ties such as siblings here you would have a decent overall chance of maintaining you status as a permanent resident.

 

[NorthBoundLife]

Yes.
Completely Agree
OP If I were you id be more focused on getting a visit visa to the United States and in my opinion this would be your most difficult step.Also due note when you apply for a visit visa they ask you "Are you a permanent resident of any other country" so you'd have to explain yourself there.

Also recently or sometimes it has been noted or pointed out that when you come through land you might not even know that you were reported sometimes they schedule this for later.There was a case I saw that the person had come like this gotten a departure order and he dint even know it, when they applied for a renewal the application was returned cause he/she was no longer a PR since there was a section 44 issued and they missed the appeal time.Also I agree that you should immediately talk to a lawyer.

Finally id like to note that if getting a visa is not possible apply for a PRTD With Humanitarian and Compassionate Reasons Altho this is quite dangerous, unpredictable time consuming and frankly if it were to be refused there its no point of appealing because it is very hard to win a residency obligation appeal outside Canada. You can see tons of IAD cases where it is just dismissed.

The Good thing about coming through USA with an expired PR card is that you might be waived in also if you were to be reported your IAD hearing would most likely be in 1.5/2 yrs this is enough time to build ties to Canada and since you already have Strong Ties such as siblings here you would have a decent overall chance of maintaining you status as a permanent resident.

Really Appreciate Your Help!

 

[NorthBoundLife]

Hi There!
Can someone tell me after completing the VOS is there an online portal from which we have to submit or should I send it or hand it to the nearest embassy?
Thanks In Advance!

 

[Ponga]

Hi Everyone,

I’m a Canadian permanent resident, but I left Canada when I was 6 and haven’t lived there since. I want to return and start over, and I need to make sure I still have my PR status.

I’m planning to apply for Verification of Status (VOS) to confirm my PR. I’m thinking of coming back through America since applying for a PRTD usually doesn’t work in my situation.

Has anyone gone through this process? How do I apply for VOS, and are there any tips to make sure everything goes smoothly, especially since I haven’t met the residency obligation?

You've already received sound advice from others, so I'll contribute as well:

IMHO, applying for VOS (being ~ 13 years in breach of meeting the required Residency Obligation to maintain PR status)...is risky. You left Canada when you were age 6, so, at best, by age 9 you started to be in breach of the R.O. to maintain your status.

Do you have any strong H&C grounds to help if you are reported and issued a 44(1)?

If you return to Canada, could you remain in Canada for at least 730 days without leaving?! It would be difficult, I'm sure, but...would you be willing to do so?

 

[Ponga]

The Good thing about coming through USA with an expired PR card is that you might be waived in also if you were to be reported your IAD hearing would most likely be in 1.5/2 yrs this is enough time to build ties to Canada and since you already have Strong Ties such as siblings here you would have a decent overall chance of maintaining you status as a permanent resident.

Not sure of those days would be counted towards R.O., during the wait for the hearing.

 

[lovelytobeinvincible]

Hi There!
Can someone tell me after completing the VOS is there an online portal from which we have to submit or should I send it or hand it to the nearest embassy?
Thanks In Advance!

Im unable to help you on this cause Im frankly unaware about the VOS process, and I do not think they would consider your residency obligation when applying for a VOS but again not 100% sure.Why do you want to apply for VOS anyway unless your unsure whether you still have PR status? If you did not apply for a PRTD or had not renounced it you probably have it still.

 

[lovelytobeinvincible]

Not sure of those days would be counted towards R.O., during the wait for the hearing.

It wont but at least OP would have some ties to Canada when the time for his IAD hearing comes up, its an important factor when they consider the overall case, if applied for PRTD and it was denied OP would not have the possibility to intend on building ties or having a proper reason to justify retaining his status.