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Urgent: Pharmacist(3131) Diploma holder 30 yr experience, Eligible?

manpreetgr8

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Feb 15, 2009
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Hi, a friend of mine wants to apply (for immigration) under Pharmacist(3131) skilled worker category. He has experience of over 30 years in government sector (India), and holds a two years diploma in pharmacy. Self-assesment on the cic website listed his points to be 72, which indicates he is eligible for immigration.

However, we have a query related to his educational qualification, "Is a Bachelors in pharmacy required for immigration?" or will his the two years diploma be sufficient?

The description on cic website for Pharmacist(3131) - http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2006/ProfileQuickSearch.aspx?val=3&val1=3131&val65=* states that "A bachelor of science degree in pharmacy is required" for seeking employment. Is a bachelor degree required at the time of filling immigration application as well?

Would appreciate any help.
 

farhaniqbal

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No. bachelors degree is required for a pharmacist to work in Canada. That is not a requirement for Immigration.

Just like 4121 requires a PhD degree in canada. But that is not a requirement to apply for immigration.

btw i am querious how a diploma holder with 30 years exp make 72 points. (30 years exp applied about 50 years of age).
 

manpreetgr8

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Feb 15, 2009
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Thanks Farhan for replying on this.

I have heard from many people that Bachelors degree is required, even some posts on this forum also state the same. This is causing lot of confusion. Would request more forum members to share their experiences and confirm Farhan's point.
As for 72 points, my friend has relatives in canada, and has good proficiency in english. Further his wife is a graduate, so all these factors contributed to 72 points.
 

mayankpandya

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Apr 7, 2010
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Hi Manpreet,

I am also in same boat. I am also D.Pharmacy holder & planning to apply under fast tract under 3131. Well lots of research had been done from my end. But i belive that Yes D.Pharmacy can apply. Infact Today i also email this query to CHC New Delhi.

I agreed to Farhan point that to get employement it requires Bachelor but to apply under 3131 D.Pharmacy holder can apply. Also suggest you to only enquiry at WWICS Chandi. Head office. I have also filed under 3131 in Sept. 2006 But as you know it is Backlog so currently no update on it. so i decide to file under fast track. Let me know if you have more information on it.

Regards,
Mayank

manpreetgr8 said:
Thanks Farhan for replying on this.

I have heard from many people that Bachelors degree is required, even some posts on this forum also state the same. This is causing lot of confusion. Would request more forum members to share their experiences and confirm Farhan's point.
As for 72 points, my friend has relatives in canada, and has good proficiency in english. Further his wife is a graduate, so all these factors contributed to 72 points.
 

manpreetgr8

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Feb 15, 2009
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Thanks Mayank for sharing this information with me.

I too agree that for employement in canada it is required to have bachelors in pharmacy (mentioned at cic site too). But for immigration some forums are showing the reverse case that if applying under skilled worker list than also u need to have B.Pharmacy. So the confusion is there in education qualification as on cic website, requirement for B.Pharmacy is mentioned only under employement requirement.
I have also searched a lot regarding this but not able to get the persisitent and direct answer.
Well I would be pleased if u mail me the reply from CHC New Delhi.

Regards,
Manpreet
 

mayankpandya

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PER on 24- MAR- 2011.
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Med's Request
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Hi Manpreet,

Infact today ,it self i emailed to CHC ND. So need to wait for 8 /10 days to get reply.

Lets hope.

I will give you reply on it as soon as i will get it.

See i also consulted Abhinav & WWICS as well as Great Qorax - They all reply with positve tone.

So lets see.

Regards,
Mayank

manpreetgr8 said:
Thanks Mayank for sharing this information with me.

I too agree that for employement in canada it is required to have bachelors in pharmacy (mentioned at cic site too). But for immigration some forums are showing the reverse case that if applying under skilled worker list than also u need to have B.Pharmacy. So the confusion is there in education qualification as on cic website, requirement for B.Pharmacy is mentioned only under employement requirement.
I have also searched a lot regarding this but not able to get the persisitent and direct answer.
Well I would be pleased if u mail me the reply from CHC New Delhi.

Regards,
Manpreet
 

qsw

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Nov 27, 2010
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Dear pharmacists,
i am also pharmacist, diploma holder & selected by quebec, in quebec skilled worker cat. we can get CSQ which leads to pr, i got !
and in previous 38 cat. there was an occupation in which diploma holder was eligible as a pharmacy supervisor.
in present system i think impossible.
quebec is still hope.
with regards
qsw
 

mayankpandya

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Apr 7, 2010
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458
Category........
Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
3131
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
10-02-2011.
Doc's Request.
PER on 24- MAR- 2011.
AOR Received.
20-APRIL-2011
File Transfer...
In-Process on 30 May 2011
Med's Request
14 July 2011
Med's Done....
22 July 2011
Passport Req..
14 -Jul- 2011 Passport send on 26-Jul-11
VISA ISSUED...
29-AUG-11
LANDED..........
16-OCT-11
Hi Qsw,

Thanks for sharing your view points.

But i belive that D.Pharmacy holder can apply. Boz ... Bachelor in Pharmacy is the requirement for the employment only not for immigration .

Well i have also made query to CHC New Delhi on it. Lets see.

Regards,
MAyank

qsw said:
Dear pharmacists,
i am also pharmacist, diploma holder & selected by quebec, in quebec skilled worker cat. we can get CSQ which leads to pr, i got !
and in previous 38 cat. there was an occupation in which diploma holder was eligible as a pharmacy supervisor.
in present system i think impossible.
quebec is still hope.
with regards
qsw
 

qsw

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Nov 27, 2010
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nd
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3414
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dear maynak,
i think we can file under 3414.4 not in 3131.
 

mayankpandya

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Apr 7, 2010
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458
Category........
Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
3131
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
10-02-2011.
Doc's Request.
PER on 24- MAR- 2011.
AOR Received.
20-APRIL-2011
File Transfer...
In-Process on 30 May 2011
Med's Request
14 July 2011
Med's Done....
22 July 2011
Passport Req..
14 -Jul- 2011 Passport send on 26-Jul-11
VISA ISSUED...
29-AUG-11
LANDED..........
16-OCT-11
Dear

Is it possible for you to post details of 3414 ?

is it included in 29 NOC ?

Regards,
Mayank

qsw said:
dear maynak,
i think we can file under 3414.4 not in 3131.
 

qsw

Star Member
Nov 27, 2010
187
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nd
NOC Code......
3414
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
LANDED..........
19may2011
yes why not,

3414 Other Assisting Occupations in Support of Health Services
This unit group includes workers who provide services and assistance to health care professionals and other health care staff. They are employed in hospitals, medical clinics, offices of health care professionals, nursing homes, optical retail stores and laboratories, pharmacies and medical pathology laboratories.


Example T

pharmacy assistant
physiotherapy assistant
rehabilitation assistant
therapy assistant




Main duties
The following is a summary of main duties for some occupations in this unit group:
•Orthopedic technologists assist orthopedic surgeons in the treatment of orthopedic diseases and injuries by applying and adjusting casts, splints, bandages and other orthopedic devices; assisting in the application, maintenance and adjustment of traction equipment; cleaning and dressing wounds; and removing casts, sutures, staples and pins. They also instruct patients and their families and other health care professionals with respect to orthopedic matters.
•Therapy assistants prepare and maintain equipment and supplies, assist patients as directed by health care professionals such as physiotherapists, occupational therapists and chiropractors and may perform routine office functions.
•Optical/ophthalmic laboratory technicians and assistants operate laboratory equipment to grind, cut, polish and edge lenses for eyeglasses according to prescriptions received and fit lenses into frames; make minor repairs for customers such as replacing frame screws or straightening frames; and maintain and repair optical laboratory equipment or machinery.
•Pharmacy assistants assist pharmacists by compounding, packaging and labelling pharmaceutical products and by maintaining prescription records and inventories of medications and pharmaceutical products.
•Central supply aides collect and sort soiled supplies and instruments from hospital departments; operate machines such as instrument washers, sonic sinks, cart washers and steam autoclaves to clean, reprocess and sterilize these supplies for re-use; and assemble packs of sterile supplies and instruments for delivery to hospital departments.
•Blood donor clinic assistants set up and dismantle equipment; prepare and maintain cleanliness of collection areas; maintain supplies; record information on donors; monitor donors throughout procedure and assist with post-donation care and donor reaction care as assigned under supervision of a registered nurse; and label and process donated blood.
•Morgue attendants assist pathologists at autopsies by laying out surgical instruments; preparing solutions for preservation of specimens; transferring bodies from morgue to examining table; removing organs and tissue specimens, as instructed by attending pathologist, and placing them in preservative solutions; and cleaning and sewing up bodies for release to funeral home.
Employment requirements
•Orthopedic technologists usually require completion of secondary school
and
Several months of on-the-job training
or
A college orthopedic technologist program.
•Registration with the Canadian Society of Orthopaedic Technologists is available and usually required by employers.
•Health care courses or short-term college programs related to the work of medical assistants, such as occupational therapy assistant/physiotherapy assistant programs or a program in central supply service techniques, are available and may be required by employers.
•Pharmacy assistants require completion of secondary school
and
Several months of on-the-job training
or
A five- to nine-month college program in pharmaceutical services.
•Completion of secondary school and several months of on-the-job training are usually required for other assisting occupations in this unit group
 

mayankpandya

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Apr 7, 2010
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458
Category........
Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
3131
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
10-02-2011.
Doc's Request.
PER on 24- MAR- 2011.
AOR Received.
20-APRIL-2011
File Transfer...
In-Process on 30 May 2011
Med's Request
14 July 2011
Med's Done....
22 July 2011
Passport Req..
14 -Jul- 2011 Passport send on 26-Jul-11
VISA ISSUED...
29-AUG-11
LANDED..........
16-OCT-11
This is the reply i got from CHC ND for the question of whether D.Pharmacy can apply under NOC :3131.

Dear Sir/Madam,

This is in response to your recent email enquiry to the Immigration Section of the Canadian High Commission in New Delhi.

Follow these steps to determine if your work experience is in an occupation that is on the list of occupations eligible for processing under the Federal Skilled Worker Class:

STEP 1. Go to the NOC website at: http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC-CNP/app/index.aspx?lc=e

STEP 2. Click on “To Search the NOC…”

STEP 3. Follow the instructions to find the NOC category that matches your work experience.

The initial description and list of main duties must match what you did at your last job(s).
If the description does not match your work experience, then you might not have the experience you need to apply as a skilled worker.

Look through the NOC list to see if your experience matches another occupation. Check all the jobs you have had in the past 10 years to see if you have at least one continuous year of full-time (or part-time equivalent) work experience in a job that will qualify you as a skilled worker.

Note: Remember that you must have work experience in an occupation in Skill type 0 or Skill level A or B and that your experience must have occurred in the 10 years before you applied.

STEP 4. Consult the list of eligible occupations

Once you have determined the NOC category or categories that match your work experience, consult the list of occupations that are eligible for processing as per the Ministerial Instructions: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-who-instructions.asp.

Note: If none of your occupations is on this list, you do not meet the criteria to be placed into processing under the Ministerial Instructions.

We trust that this information will be of assistance.

Immigration Section / Section de l’immigration
Canadian High Commission / Haut-Commissariat du Canada
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New Delhi
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