Upfront medical exam with disability

[TimPeterson]

Hello to everyone,
I'd like to understand steps on my way to migration. I'm 28 y o marketing research specialist with master degree and basicly meet criteria to apply for FSW PR. Also I have kind of cerebral palsy that point give me to be worried.
Actually I'm able to walk myself, drive a vehicle and to do daily routine things without any special equipment.

Am I able to make upfront medical exam before another steps? Is it possible to make without IELTS exam? Do I need create EE profile?
Please, give me any advice!

 

[mr.preetsingh]

Hello to everyone,
I'd like to understand steps on my way to migration. I'm 28 y o marketing research specialist with master degree and basicly meet criteria to apply for FSW PR. Also I have kind of cerebral palsy that point give me to be worried.
Actually I'm able to walk myself, drive a vehicle and to do daily routine things without any special equipment.

Am I able to make upfront medical exam before another steps? Is it possible to make without IELTS exam? Do I need create EE profile?
Please, give me any advice!

Medical inadmissibility is detailed on following CIC link. So, if your condition is no where mentioned on this link, you are good to go.

 

[TimPeterson]

Medical inadmissibility is detailed on following CIC link

Which one do you mean? Could you provide me with it please?

 

[mr.preetsingh]

Which one do you mean? Could you provide me with it please?

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/standard-requirements/medical-requirements/refusals-inadmissibility/danger-public-health-public-safety.html

 

[scylla]

Medical inadmissibility is detailed on following CIC link. So, if your condition is no where mentioned on this link, you are good to go.

That's not accurate. The link you provided is for health issues that are a danger to public health or safety only. That's only one of the reasons someone can be refused PR for medical reasons. The other reason is if IRCC believes your medical condition may place a burden on the Canadian health care or social care system. Cerebral Palsy is a condition that falls in this second category and it's certainly possible to be refused for having this condition. However refusal is dependent on the severity of the condition. In OP's case, it sounds like a mild condition which means there's a good chance PR will be approved.

 

[mr.preetsingh]

That's not accurate. The link you provided is for health issues that are a danger to public health or safety only. That's only one of the reasons someone can be refused PR for medical reasons. The other reason is if IRCC believes your medical condition may place a burden on the Canadian health care or social care system. Cerebral Palsy is a condition that falls in this second category and it's certainly possible to be refused for having this condition. However refusal is dependent on the severity of the condition. In OP's case, it sounds like a mild condition which means there's a good chance PR will be approved.

Well this link says

"This section contains policy, procedures and guidance used by Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada staff. It is posted on the Department’s website as a courtesy to stakeholders."

 

[TimPeterson]

Just been to IOM in my home town. They said I need to specify visa type to make upfront. They don't make any forecast. After medical check up every thing goes to Canadian doctors for analysis. Still have no idea, do I need EE profile (so IELTS point) or not for know results??

 

[tobs]

Just been to IOM in my home town. They said I need to specify visa type to make upfront. They don't make any forecast. After medical check up every thing goes to Canadian doctors for analysis. Still have no idea, do I need EE profile (so IELTS point) or not for know results??

Yes you need to write your IELTS, have your Education credentials verified, then create an EE profile and be invited to apply for PR before undergoing the upfront medical exam

 

[TimPeterson]

Yes you need to write your IELTS, have your Education credentials verified, then create an EE profile and be invited to apply for PR before undergoing the upfront medical exam

I'd like to be sure about acceptance of health conditions before I begin to make another staff. So it's impossible, right? IELTS - head of all!

 

[scylla]

Well this link says

"This section contains policy, procedures and guidance used by Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada staff. It is posted on the Department’s website as a courtesy to stakeholders."

The link you posted is official - I'm not arguing that. Per my previous explanation, the link you provided does not give the full list of reasons why someone may be refused for medical reasons. It only covers the "danger to public" bit. "Excessive demand" is not covered and this is a reason why some are medically refused (far more are refused due to excessive demand than danger to public).

Use the link instead instead. It covers the full list of reasons why someone may be medically inadmissible (both danger to public and excessive demand).

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/standard-requirements/medical-requirements/refusals-inadmissibility.html

 

[scylla]

I'd like to be sure about acceptance of health conditions before I begin to make another staff. So it's impossible, right? IELTS - head of all!

Unfortunately there's no way to know how your medical condition will be assessed by IRCC without going through the whole process of applying and being selected (which includes IELTS, ECA, PCCs, and all other documents & evidence). Based on your description of your condition, I think you have a decent chance of passing the medical. But that's just my guess. Good luck.

 

[TimPeterson]

I found some court case about CP person:
http://visalawcanada.blogspot.com/2012/12/child-with-cerebral-palsy-requires.html
That says:
The IME Summary identified the following estimates of specific costs of services that Jordan would likely require: (i) participation in an Early Intervention Program for three years ($20,250); (ii) special education costs once he reached school age ($112,000); (iii) respite care over a 10-year period ($24,000); (iv) wheelchair costs ($6,500 to $8,000); and, (v) physiotherapy, occupational therapy, and speech therapy.

From all of this points, I need just physiotherapy and, probably, speech therapy. Actually I have IELTS band 7.0 for speaking part with my speech =)
Anybody know annual cost amount of physiotherapy which they count?

 

[TimPeterson]

Unfortunately there's no way to know

100% ? Sadly!

 

[TimPeterson]

Guys, I just found the most valuable link.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/panel-members-handbook-2013.html#chap3.4.8

So, I'm able to pay $270, receive a copy of this report and uderstand how doctor qualified me! Well!

 

[pizzaboy99]

Hey Tim, I'm also an Express Entry candidate with disability (I'm deaf) so I have done a fair bit of research on it. Here are the cliff notes

1. You can be denied on two grounds - danger to public safety/health or excessive demand on Canadian social & health services. 1st one is not applicable so to get through, you will need to prove that you won't be an excessive demand on Canadian health services.

2. Getting a medical done (even if you get a medical report) will not show whether you will be admissible or not since that decision is not taken by the panel physician but by the visa officer who processed your application. All what the panel physician will do is document your disability and what all treatment is required for it. The VO will evaluate whether the treatment is going to put an excessive demand on Canadian social & health services.

3. To be medical admissible, your treatment must cost the Canadian government less than ~$19k/year. I noticed you have listed physiotherapy and speech therapy. To calculate the cost, you can Google and find speech therapists & physiotherapists in the province that have selected in your application and estimate the costs from there. For e.g. I found this https://www.osla.on.ca/uploads/2017 SLP RECOMMENDED FEE SCHEDULE POSTER.pdf while Googling so we can assume that speech therapy would cost $200/hour. in Ontario Assuming you need speech therapy once a week for one hour, it would be $800/mo or $9600/year... well under the excessive demand threshold. Similarly, you can Google for a estimate price for physiotherapy, calculate annual cost and add the two to get total amount.

4. If your estimated treatment expenses are well under $19k/year.. then it should not be problem. If its around $19k/year or in excess of that, you will most likely get something called a "Procedural Fairness Letter" where they will ask you to justify that you won't be an excessive demand and for this, you can submit an outline of the treatment plan giving references to online sources where you have taken the estimated prices from.

Best resource on this is this link - https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/excessive-demand.html. See the two examples given where they have shown how you could go about estimating how much you would cost Canadian social & health services.

Hope this helps!