university paper- please read if you're not in the 38 skilled worker list.

[cnijs]

Hello everyone,
I am a student in a university in Belgium, and I have to carry out researches on immigration to Canada, more particularly on what happened after the new plan of feb. 2008.
I would like to weigh up advantages and drawbacks of this plan. In order to do that, I need to interview people who would be in that case. Here is a list of questions I would like you to take a look at, if you can help me or answer even a single question, please do so.
my e-mail is argaliii@hotmail.com, if you wish to answer me privately.
- Do you believe that this new system has helped to reduce wait time and backlog of skilled workers who have applied?
- Do you think it's normal for the Canadian government to 'select' only jobs that they need?
- If you have been refused, can you apply again? Have you already be repaid your fees?
- concerning requirements, more particularly the system of points. Do you think it was fair? Did you had difficulties to reach the 60 points or did you reach it directly?
- I read on the forum that people were 'stuck' when they had applied between feb08 and nov 08. what happened in november 2008? was there further modifications?
Thank you so much for your answers and best of luck for the future!

 

[canada2011]

hi u, wish u luck too. i think the point system is very fair. i also think it is good that they are taking only certain skill set which they lack at the time.

 

[cnijs]

thank you for your answer!
are you part of the list? do you know how long people have to wait if they're not?

 

[PMM]

Hi

thank you for your answer!
are you part of the list? do you know how long people have to wait if they're not?

1. If they are not on the "list" unless they have either worked or studied in Canada or have an Approved Employment Option for an employer in Canada, they don't qualify, therefor their applications are not approved.
2. If you look at the quarterly statistics at: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/statistics/data-release/2009-Q3/index.asp you will see that applications have dropped.
3. Of course it is normal to accept applications for jobs that are in demand. It is pointless to have people emigrate and not be able to find employment in their field. There is still that problem with occupations on the list though. It is almost impossible for foreign trained physicians to obtain the additional training required and less than 10% are able to find a residency. No residency, no practise.
4. If you are refused at first level, then the fees are refunded, but refused at 2nd level no refund. You can apply as many times as you like, but it is pointless if you don't qualify.
5. The points required are 67, most people with either a degree or apprenticeship can make that level. It was previously 75 and the number of applications was sufficient to meet the levels of immigrants in skilled work categories. When the Liberal politicians lowered the mark to 67 it created a huge backlog. If you again look at the statistics, you will see that there was 500K application in the backlog, that is 5 years worth of visas for that category.
6. In Feb/08 the Gov't announced that there would be changes to the program, and that a list would be issued for jobs that would they considered qualified. The list was not published to Nov/08 so those who applied during that period sat in limbo until the list was published.

PMM

 

[cnijs]

first of all, thank you for having answered!
I would like to quote you as a source in my paper, so would it be possible for you to give me your name and a brief description of your situation? have you immigrated yourself in Canada?
Second, when you say that applications of the people not in the list are not approved, it means that they are not concerned by the new plan, (and therefore their application won't be faster) but they can still apply and wait longer, is that right?
So we could say that this new system is quite fair? The only drawbacks would be that, as you said, people like for example trained physicians. would you know by any chance why they can't obtain additional training required?
finally, do you think it's normal that the government gives priority to skilled workers (and not to family reunification for example)? is this strategy the result of an aging population?
that would be the last questions, I promise
thank you again!!

 

[CanadaVisa4me]

The rules are fair. Canada should do what is good for itself and its population. While we (citizens and non-citizens) may have diverging views on who they should accept, their goal of meeting their demand jobs is the right thing to do.
I don't think they put job immigration over family reunification. Previously, in some countries family re-unification were faster while for other countries it was slower. Now, family reunification hasn't changed but skilled immigration has changed. So perhaps they do need to fulfill those demand for the overall benefit of Canada. Remember, those wanting family re-unification moved to Canada knowing the timelines for family reunification and these timelines haven't changed for the worst, so I think it is fair.

Some people who applied between Feb and Nov 2008 have had their application process while others have been waiting for long. However, CIC was quite clear that the rules for the pre-Nov 2008 will be changed. No time lines were promised for this category and it was on the onus of the applicant to apply or not. Given the rules were clear (that future rules will be applied), it has been extremely fair.

Ultimately, Canada should do what is good for itself. We might disagree on what is good for Canada and what is not good, but a lot of that is based on our bias and frustration of not getting into Canada fast enough. Ultimately, our countries don't make it easier for Canadians to come settle anyway. Canada owes us nothing but fairness and openness in its process based on its rules.

 

[canada2011]

If they are not on the "list" unless they have either worked or studied in Canada or have an Approved Employment Option for an employer in Canada, they don't qualify, therefor their applications are not approved.

@PMM............I would like to know the source of this info. I am on the verdge of sending my application as an Admin manager with 2years managerial experience which makes me qualified going by the info i got on cic's site. certainly, administration isnt on the list. so does this disqualify me? to qualify, u must have one or two years expirience in class 0, A and B of the NOC ............something in those lines.

pls let me know if i,m wrong, though i doubt much.

 

[PMM]

Hi

first of all, thank you for having answered!
I would like to quote you as a source in my paper, so would it be possible for you to give me your name and a brief description of your situation? have you immigrated yourself in Canada?
Second, when you say that applications of the people not in the list are not approved, it means that they are not concerned by the new plan, (and therefore their application won't be faster) but they can still apply and wait longer, is that right?
So we could say that this new system is quite fair? The only drawbacks would be that, as you said, people like for example trained physicians. would you know by any chance why they can't obtain additional training required?
finally, do you think it's normal that the government gives priority to skilled workers (and not to family reunification for example)? is this strategy the result of an aging population?
that would be the last questions, I promise
thank you again!!

1. I think you missed the point, if a person doesn't have 1 years experience in the past 10 years in the "list" then they theoretically apply, but it would be refused at the first stage. They are not processed.
2. Canada has a finite number of positions in University for Medical students. First priority is to Canadian graduates, if there is any space left then foreign physicians could apply for those spaces. Again to practise you need a residency, again Residencies go to Canadian graduates first, which doesn't leave much space for foreign graduates.
3. Actually family reunification (spouses and dependent children) receives the highest priority, if you check the processing times at http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/international/05-fc-spouses.asp you will see spouses are processed (usually) much quicker that skilled workers. Very little priority is given to parents and grandparents.

PMM

 

[PMM]

Hi

If they are not on the "list" unless they have either worked or studied in Canada or have an Approved Employment Option for an employer in Canada, they don't qualify, therefor their applications are not approved.

@ PMM............I would like to know the source of this info. I am on the verdge of sending my application as an Admin manager with 2years managerial experience which makes me qualified going by the info i got on cic's site. certainly, administration isnt on the list. so does this disqualify me? to qualify, u must have one or two years expirience in class 0, A and B of the NOC ............something in those lines.

pls let me know if i,m wrong, though i doubt much.

1. It depends what category are you applying in.
FSW 1 Occupation on the list of "38"
FSW 2 Arranged Employment Option
FSW 3 Students/Workers legally residing in Canada for at least 1 year.

Then of course there are various PNP programs or CEC.

PMM

 

[cnijs]

Hi!
2 more questions:
- concerning the points lowered from 75 to 67, why did they lower it? because they lacked workers in certain jobs?
- concerning the physicians, when you say it's difficult to obtain 'residency', what is the meaning? residency is the right to stay, or a place to live?
thanks again!

 

[jes_ON]

medical "residency" is a post-graduation supervised clinical on-the-job training period for physicians. They can't be licensed to practice as independent physicians until they have completed a residency.

 

[PMM]

Hi

Hi!
2 more questions:
- concerning the points lowered from 75 to 67, why did they lower it? because they lacked workers in certain jobs?
- concerning the physicians, when you say it's difficult to obtain 'residency', what is the meaning? residency is the right to stay, or a place to live?
thanks again!

The Liberal Government of the day thought that they would garner more "immigrant votes" from Immigrant Canadians when it was introduced just prior to a national election. It didn't help them and they were defeated.

PMM

 

[cnijs]

does anyone know why people who have a year of work experience in Canada are subject to the Proof of Settlement Funds requirement?
Since they already have a job and probably a place to live, shouldn't this requirement only apply to the 'list of 38'? At least this category of workers doesn't have a job when they enter Canada.

 

[AUH Process]

Hi

1. If they are not on the "list" unless they have either worked or studied in Canada or have an Approved Employment Option for an employer in Canada, they don't qualify, therefor their applications are not approved.
2. If you look at the quarterly statistics at: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/statistics/data-release/2009-Q3/index.asp you will see that applications have dropped.
3. Of course it is normal to accept applications for jobs that are in demand. It is pointless to have people emigrate and not be able to find employment in their field. There is still that problem with occupations on the list though. It is almost impossible for foreign trained physicians to obtain the additional training required and less than 10% are able to find a residency. No residency, no practise.
4. If you are refused at first level, then the fees are refunded, but refused at 2nd level no refund. You can apply as many times as you like, but it is pointless if you don't qualify.
5. The points required are 67, most people with either a degree or apprenticeship can make that level. It was previously 75 and the number of applications was sufficient to meet the levels of immigrants in skilled work categories. When the Liberal politicians lowered the mark to 67 it created a huge backlog. If you again look at the statistics, you will see that there was 500K application in the backlog, that is 5 years worth of visas for that category.
6. In Feb/08 the Gov't announced that there would be changes to the program, and that a list would be issued for jobs that would they considered qualified. The list was not published to Nov/08 so those who applied during that period sat in limbo until the list was published.

PMM

This is great info, very informative......Thanks PMM

 

[canada2011]

meanwhile, PMM, do i qualify based on studies of the listed courses/career liness or based on work expirience of the courses/career lines? I ask becos I studied theater arts but have been doing administration going on seven years including managing a guest inn, which expirience i am using to apply for FSW. may i have your thoughts pls. thanks.