Two times refused visitor visa, why?

[LutzS]

Here are the details (visiting from the Philippines):
1st application 05/22, refused 09/22. With the application was sent to IRCC:
- All required forms on applicants side, biometrics, passport photo etc.
- Exact itinarary of the applicants travel (with proof of paid bookings)
- My host letter of invitation and my committment to pay for all expenses he may incur including air fare.
- My last years income tax statement and a photo copy of my Canadian citizenship
- Applicants 6-month bank statements (unfortunately forgot the savings account at that time)
- Letter of employment

Refusal grounds:
- Not convinced that the applicant would return to his home country
- Insufficient funds for travel
- No significant family bounds in the Philippines
- No established employment situation

Now the second Application:
On 05/23, refused yesterday 06/23, submitted was now the following:
- All required forms on applicants side, passport photo etc. biometrics was still valid
- Exact itinarary of the applicants travel (with proof of paid bookings)
- A kindly written cover letter of the applicant stating that he will be responsible etc.
- My new host letter of invitation, underlining the responsibility of my friend, my guarantee that he would leave at the end of his stay and my committment to pay for all expenses he may incur.
- My last years income tax statement and a photo copy of my Canadian citizenship
- A note of correction to the former, refused application, that the savings account was forgotten and the new total to be used for the tripis now sufficient
- Note of clarification on employment situation, including raise in income and position
- New letter from applicants employer stating the above
- A note in the cover letter mentioning that all of the applicants family and friends are living in the Philippines and that he is close to them and would not leave them.
- 3 sets of photo pages depicting the applicants presence at 1) family gatherings 2) vacation pictures with me and 3) gatherings with his friends from university

Again refusal, this time the work situation was no longer mentioned but the following was said:
- I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay...
- Your assets and financial situation are insufficient to support the stated purpose of travel ...
- You do not have significant family ties outside Canada

None of these speculations are remotely true! Are the applicants family members not significant? If so then single people like him would never be able to travel because they may choose to be single? Isn't that a human rights violation? Reminds me a bit on the past East Germany. Continuing, what are sufficient assets for a 3 week stay in Canada? Also in my letter of invitation I clearly state that I will be responsible for all expenses and air fare. I thought everything was done right right this second time, but apparently not. Will it ever be possible to find out? Does anyone have an idea? On the first refused Application he requested the GCMS notes which did not show anything out of the ordinary other than the refusal letter stated. This is very frustrating, especially for the second time.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance!

 

[Naturgrl]

Here are the details (visiting from the Philippines):
1st application 05/22, refused 09/22. With the application was sent to IRCC:
- All required forms on applicants side, biometrics, passport photo etc.
- Exact itinarary of the applicants travel (with proof of paid bookings)
- My host letter of invitation and my committment to pay for all expenses he may incur including air fare.
- My last years income tax statement and a photo copy of my Canadian citizenship
- Applicants 6-month bank statements (unfortunately forgot the savings account at that time)
- Letter of employment

Refusal grounds:
- Not convinced that the applicant would return to his home country
- Insufficient funds for travel
- No significant family bounds in the Philippines
- No established employment situation

Now the second Application:
On 05/23, refused yesterday 06/23, submitted was now the following:
- All required forms on applicants side, passport photo etc. biometrics was still valid
- Exact itinarary of the applicants travel (with proof of paid bookings)
- A kindly written cover letter of the applicant stating that he will be responsible etc.
- My new host letter of invitation, underlining the responsibility of my friend, my guarantee that he would leave at the end of his stay and my committment to pay for all expenses he may incur.
- My last years income tax statement and a photo copy of my Canadian citizenship
- A note of correction to the former, refused application, that the savings account was forgotten and the new total to be used for the tripis now sufficient
- Note of clarification on employment situation, including raise in income and position
- New letter from applicants employer stating the above
- A note in the cover letter mentioning that all of the applicants family and friends are living in the Philippines and that he is close to them and would not leave them.
- 3 sets of photo pages depicting the applicants presence at 1) family gatherings 2) vacation pictures with me and 3) gatherings with his friends from university

Again refusal, this time the work situation was no longer mentioned but the following was said:
- I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay...
- Your assets and financial situation are insufficient to support the stated purpose of travel ...
- You do not have significant family ties outside Canada

None of these speculations are remotely true! Are the applicants family members not significant? If so then single people like him would never be able to travel because they may choose to be single? Isn't that a human rights violation? Reminds me a bit on the past East Germany. Continuing, what are sufficient assets for a 3 week stay in Canada? Also in my letter of invitation I clearly state that I will be responsible for all expenses and air fare. I thought everything was done right right this second time, but apparently not. Will it ever be possible to find out? Does anyone have an idea? On the first refused Application he requested the GCMS notes which did not show anything out of the ordinary other than the refusal letter stated. This is very frustrating, especially for the second time.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance!

Who is applying? Age. Funds in applicants bank account for 3 week visit? Length of visit? Ties to home country (family and friends are not ties unless spouse and children)? Relationship to Canadian or person in Canada? What did the pictures prove?

Right off the bat, it is a red flag if host is paying all the expenses. It shows that applicant cannot afford a visit to Canada. The host’s funds/job/income do not have to be considered. How much did you show in the second application?

A TRV is a privilege, not a human right. You do not have the right to travel to Canada. So no there is no human rights violations.

You need to show your own funds (bank statements, not income), ties to home country (spouse/children, job letter with approved leave, friends are not ties nor are parents/siblings unless under 22), travel history (UK, US, NZ, AUZ).

 

[LutzS]

Who is applying? Age. Funds in applicants bank account for 3 week visit? Length of visit? Ties to home country (family and friends are not ties unless spouse and children)? Relationship to Canadian?

Right off the bat, it is a red flag if host is paying all the expenses. It shows that applicant cannot afford a visit to Canada.

A TRV is a privilege, not a human right. You do not have the right to travel to Canada. So no there is no human rights violation.

Oh wow, thank you for the quick and frank response!
- Age 30
- Funds around 12k CDN (plenty for 3 weeks plus air fare)
- Relationship to Canadian "Friend"
- Me (host) is offering to pay, does not mean that I have to. How is this a red flag?

 

[Naturgrl]

Oh wow, thank you for the quick and frank response!
- Age 30
- Funds around 12k CDN (plenty for 3 weeks plus air fare)
- Relationship to Canadian "Friend"
- Me (host) is offering to pay, does not mean that I have to. How is this a red flag?

How can you be the host and applicant?

So $12k is all your funds? That is not a lot for a 3 week visit plus air fare because it shows you are using all your funds to visit Canada. It is a red flag when host (who is not even family) will say that he/she will incur all costs. It shows that applicant cannot afford a visit, and with $12k that is true.

 

[LutzS]

Oh wow, thank you for the quick and frank response!
- Age 30
- Funds around 12k CDN (plenty for 3 weeks plus air fare)
- Relationship to Canadian "Friend"
- Me (host) is offering to pay, does not mean that I have to. How is this a red flag?

Maybe my (Canadian) friendliness is the reason for the refusal then?
Okay I understand the privilege idea, but then should it not be equal for all countries?

 

[Naturgrl]

Maybe my (Canadian) friendliness is the reason for the refusal then?
Okay I understand the privilege idea, but then should it not be equal for all countries?

What do you mean ”equal”? Everyone has to show funds, ties to home country, travel history etc. Getting a Canadian TRV is not easy. People think it is.

Not sure what you mean by friendliness. You can say that you would be happy to see that person and host him/her but saying that you will pay for expenses just shows lack of funds. Also you are a friend, so person can come to Canada, not come see you, not leave and have no money to get home.

 

[LutzS]

How can you be the host and applicant?

So $12k is all your funds? That is not a lot for a 3 week visit plus air fare because it shows you are using all your funds to visit Canada. It is a red flag when host (who is not even family) will say that he/she will incur all costs. It shows that applicant cannot afford a visit, and with $12k that is true.

Seriously?? I can make camping vacation for 3 weeks on about 1/10 of this. What kind of standards are you imposing on someone from a 3rd world country?

 

[Naturgrl]

Seriously?? I can make camping vacation for 3 weeks on about 1/10 of this. What kind of standards are you imposing on someone from a 3rd world country?

But funds were reason for refusal? So is this person camping for 3 weeks? Where? Cost of food? Admissions to attractions?

Again, it is the applicant who must show proof of funds not the host. So how much is the person going to spend and how much of savings will be left over. So if applicant is going to spend more than half of savings to come to Canada then that is an issue. I am just telling you what IRCC thinks.

 

[vkamath]

Seriously?? I can make camping vacation for 3 weeks on about 1/10 of this. What kind of standards are you imposing on someone from a 3rd world country?

You said you have a host here. Who is the host? How are you related to the host? If he/she is just a friend then why are they paying for it. That probably tripped the VO. You should watch the Border Documentaries on how many people are sent back.

 

[LutzS]

What do you mean ”equal”? Everyone has to show funds, ties to home country, travel history etc. Getting a Canadian TRV is not easy. People think it is.

Not sure what you mean by friendliness. You can say that you would be happy to see that person and host him/her but saying that you will pay for expenses just shows lack of funds. Also you are a friend, so person can come to Canada, not come see you, not leave and have no money to get home.

Well first of all, a good friend known for many years is not anyone irresponsible and this should not be speculated. I wonder now what you would do for helping a friend of yours, is there a limitation?

 

[LutzS]

You said you have a host here. Who is the host? How are you related to the host? If he/she is just a friend then why are they paying for it. That probably tripped the VO. You should watch the Border Documentaries on how many people are sent back.

No, I am the host of a friend who wants to visit me... According to Naturegrl it seems that the bar is set at a very unpersonal level.

 

[Buletruck]

No, I am the host of a friend who wants to visit me... According to Naturegrl it seems that the bar is set at a very unpersonal level.

IRCC doesn't determine eligibility based on personal impressions. It a series of simple Yes or No criteria. Your "friend" simply doesn't check enough of the appropriate answers to qualify.
Alternately, IRCC is concerned your friend has alternate intentions, given your willingness to support the whole journey. The question being, is the TRV a means to enter Canada and then extend through another program. Keep in mind, they aren't new to these ideas.

 

[vkamath]

No, I am the host of a friend who wants to visit me... According to Naturegrl it seems that the bar is set at a very unpersonal level.

Buddy we are trying to help no need to take it out on anyone. the 1st rule of immigration is that it is a privilege not a right. I am from India and I have been through this once in Romania.

You are the host? Thats confusing. The host should be a resident of canada who is inviting you.

 

[LutzS]

But funds were reason for refusal? So is this person camping for 3 weeks? Where? Cost of food? Admissions to attractions?

Again, it is the applicant who must show proof of funds not the host. So how much is the person going to spend and how much of savings will be left over. So if applicant is going to spend more than half of savings to come to Canada then that is an issue. I am just telling you what IRCC thinks.

I think I got it now. Was a big mistake to state that I will pay. Everything has to be on the applicant. But still he has enough funds for a slightly less than luxurious vacation in my opinion. Why still refusal - and why does he need to be married or have children when the person is a responsible member of society? So you think a third application would be useless unless the guy is a millionare and is married or has children?

 

[LutzS]

Buddy we are trying to help no need to take it out on anyone. the 1st rule of immigration is that it is a privilege not a right. I am from India and I have been through this once in Romania.

You are the host? Thats confusing. The host should be a resident of canada who is inviting you.

No sorry you got it wrong. I am a Canadian citizen living in Canada wanting to invite my friend to come here to Canada. Thank you guys I am not taking it out on anyone. Sorry if you got this impression.