Hi everyone,
I am a Canadian citizen and my wife is from Thailand. She would like to visit me so she will apply for a TRV. I would like some advice.
Now some information about her case. Before I met her, she had already applied for and was declined a TRV three times. She wanted to visit her boyfriend from that time (also from Canada). I have read all the cases' notes. I would say that the main reason of refusal shared by the three notes was money. She had a steady job but average salary. Also, one interesting thing to know is that for one of those application (can't remember which one) she had an interview. It was conducted by a Thai women. From what she told be it did not go well as the women was arrogant and it ended up by her saying that she will never let her go to Canada unless she marries [a Canadian citizen]. This was in 2008-2009.
So two years later she met me. After some time in our relationship I wanted her to visit me in Canada. Knowing her history with TRV refusals, we decided to hire an immigration consultant. He strongly advised me to get married as it would get things a lot easier to get her into Canada, even for a TRV. I quote:
So I kept on visiting her, but as you may understand traveling to Thailand for months is not really convenient when you have a job in Canada. I also still wanted her to visit my country instead of always talking to her about it. So we decided to file another TRV application. By that time, since the last TRV refusal, I had read A LOT (and I mean A LOT) of posts on these forums. I know what the CIC wants for a TRV (showing that you will go back to your country, bla bla bla) and I also know that you shouldn't reapplied unless your situation has changed. Well in her case, it had changed. She had left her job and opened a Web Development company with 2 web developers for which she owns 33% of the shares and is a director. She moved to her aunt's house and had her name on the house registration. She collected three affidavits from people in ministries of Thailand and high rank in the military stating that they've known her for a long time and that she would come back to Thailand after her trip to Canada. All the rest of the application was like the previous one (money in her bank account (around 40k CA$), letter of invitation from me, complete itinerary, letter from associates to allow temporary leave of the company, etc.). She asked for three weeks. All in all, once again she had a pretty solid application. It was denied without an interview. I requested the case's notes and it only said that her situation hadn't changed from last application. That is when I understood that the CIC just meant "stop applying, you won't get in". This was in October 2013.
I went back to Thailand and we got married on December. We filled a PR application and my sponsorship just got approved. As I said, I have read a lot of posts in this forum and I am convinced that our application is pretty strong, so I have little fear that it won't get approved. But processing time for Thailand (by Singapore office) is 28 months, which is quite long. I would still like her to visit me during the waiting process, so we want her to apply for TRV once again. Also, we want to have a wedding ceremony here in Canada with my friends and family members. We plan to ask for three weeks so we can travel also. Now her situation hasn't changed since the last time she applied, except for the fact that she is now married with me, that she has a PR application in process and that my sponsorship has been approved. Of course for this application I will send her an invitation letter notarized and in her cover letter she will specify her dual intent (which is true anyway, because we would never put her PR in jeopardy to stay illegally after her TRV is finished). Any advice on what I should include in the application (apart from the usual documents)?
Another thing we thought about was asking for a Study permit. I live in Quebec, so she wants to learn French. We thought that she could take classes once she receives her PR, but she could also come here on a study permit and take classes while waiting for her PR. The main drawback is that it is A LOT more expensive (around 1100$ a month) and money is a little tight right now (with all these applications fees, you bet), so unless she has better chances of obtaining a study permit than a TRV, we would rather wait.
Thanks for reading, any advice would be much appreciated. FYI and pleasure, I join the 2 last cases' notes (since she was with me). There are a lot of things that are simply false in the notes and that were provided in the application (e.g. salary deposits, international travels). I took the liberty of writing that down in the notes inside brackets ([]). I also have the 3 first ones (before I had met her) so feel free to ask if it can help.
------------------------------ CASE NOTE'S FROM APRIL 2013. TEXT INSIDE [] WAS ADDED BY ME -------------------------------------
FOSS: Previously refused-three TRVs in 2008 and 2009 for concerns over bona fides. At that time, she was applying to visit fiancé XXX in Canada. Applicant is applying to visit boyfriend: XXX for three months. Submissions indicate that partner's employment situation is: employed and resident in Canada. Applicant indicates current employment is: manager at XXX in Hua Hin. Income is relatively low (22,000 Baht per month) [average salary in Thailand is 7,000 Baht per month]. There is no corresponding regular deposits representing this amount (or oneclose to it) in the applicant's bank books [bank books shows a deposit of ~22,000 baht each 5th day of every month for 6 months]. Most recent bank statement indicates balane of: 558,502 Baht. However, this includes two recent deposits of about 555,000 Baht. Source of these funds is unknown [Ask her in interview?]. Prior balances were in the low five-figure Baht range or less. Another bank book has a balance of 57,174 Baht. This include one recent deposit of 44,000 Baht. Previous balances in the account are representative of the applicant's regular financial status in Thailand. The application has limited travel history in her passport- one prior trip to Myanmar [she has stamps from Hong Kong, South Korea and Philippines]. The applicant has no children [WTF?]. Having reviewed this file in its entirety, I am not satisfied that the applicant is bona fide temporary resident to Canada who would depart before the end of the authorized stay. In coming to this decision, I have considered the following factors: -the applicant has not provided sufficient evidence of strong financial/economic ties to the home country -the applicant's current employment/income in home country suggest tenuous economic establishment -the applicant's limited travel history -the applicant's relatively weak familial/social ties in the home country: no children -the applicant's relatively strong familial/social ties in Canada: boyfriend -the applicant has failed to satisfy me that the purpose...
------------------------------ CASE NOTE'S FROM OCTOBER 2013. TEXT INSIDE [] WAS ADDED BY ME -------------------------------------
AP is 31, single, want to visit boyfriend Mr XXX for 3 weeks. Previous 4 refusals. New employer since June 2013, startup company [not employer, her own company, registration papers were provided]. Was supposed to go for 3 months initially and now say 3 weeks. financial marginals inflated for the previous and current application. AP met boyfriend in October 2011-Mid March 2012 and visited again in June-sept2013. Invitation letter on file. No previous international history [same stamps as previous application were provided]. No substantial new information provided warranting a different decision. Not satisfied ties and motivations sufficient to ensure departure from Canada.
I am a Canadian citizen and my wife is from Thailand. She would like to visit me so she will apply for a TRV. I would like some advice.
Now some information about her case. Before I met her, she had already applied for and was declined a TRV three times. She wanted to visit her boyfriend from that time (also from Canada). I have read all the cases' notes. I would say that the main reason of refusal shared by the three notes was money. She had a steady job but average salary. Also, one interesting thing to know is that for one of those application (can't remember which one) she had an interview. It was conducted by a Thai women. From what she told be it did not go well as the women was arrogant and it ended up by her saying that she will never let her go to Canada unless she marries [a Canadian citizen]. This was in 2008-2009.
So two years later she met me. After some time in our relationship I wanted her to visit me in Canada. Knowing her history with TRV refusals, we decided to hire an immigration consultant. He strongly advised me to get married as it would get things a lot easier to get her into Canada, even for a TRV. I quote:
Well this all seems to fit with what the women conducting the interview said. I think that the office in Bangkok is a special case. Anyway. Nevertheless we decided not to marry for various reasons (my employment situation at that time, length of our relationship, I wanted her to visit my country/family before, etc.) and apply for a TRV. Her case was pretty strong (good job with good salary, travel history, signed affidavit from me, a lot of money in her bank account, etc., etc.) all put up by the immigration consultant. She asked for three months. Her TRV was declined without an interview. This was in April 2013.
So I kept on visiting her, but as you may understand traveling to Thailand for months is not really convenient when you have a job in Canada. I also still wanted her to visit my country instead of always talking to her about it. So we decided to file another TRV application. By that time, since the last TRV refusal, I had read A LOT (and I mean A LOT) of posts on these forums. I know what the CIC wants for a TRV (showing that you will go back to your country, bla bla bla) and I also know that you shouldn't reapplied unless your situation has changed. Well in her case, it had changed. She had left her job and opened a Web Development company with 2 web developers for which she owns 33% of the shares and is a director. She moved to her aunt's house and had her name on the house registration. She collected three affidavits from people in ministries of Thailand and high rank in the military stating that they've known her for a long time and that she would come back to Thailand after her trip to Canada. All the rest of the application was like the previous one (money in her bank account (around 40k CA$), letter of invitation from me, complete itinerary, letter from associates to allow temporary leave of the company, etc.). She asked for three weeks. All in all, once again she had a pretty solid application. It was denied without an interview. I requested the case's notes and it only said that her situation hadn't changed from last application. That is when I understood that the CIC just meant "stop applying, you won't get in". This was in October 2013.
I went back to Thailand and we got married on December. We filled a PR application and my sponsorship just got approved. As I said, I have read a lot of posts in this forum and I am convinced that our application is pretty strong, so I have little fear that it won't get approved. But processing time for Thailand (by Singapore office) is 28 months, which is quite long. I would still like her to visit me during the waiting process, so we want her to apply for TRV once again. Also, we want to have a wedding ceremony here in Canada with my friends and family members. We plan to ask for three weeks so we can travel also. Now her situation hasn't changed since the last time she applied, except for the fact that she is now married with me, that she has a PR application in process and that my sponsorship has been approved. Of course for this application I will send her an invitation letter notarized and in her cover letter she will specify her dual intent (which is true anyway, because we would never put her PR in jeopardy to stay illegally after her TRV is finished). Any advice on what I should include in the application (apart from the usual documents)?
Another thing we thought about was asking for a Study permit. I live in Quebec, so she wants to learn French. We thought that she could take classes once she receives her PR, but she could also come here on a study permit and take classes while waiting for her PR. The main drawback is that it is A LOT more expensive (around 1100$ a month) and money is a little tight right now (with all these applications fees, you bet), so unless she has better chances of obtaining a study permit than a TRV, we would rather wait.
Thanks for reading, any advice would be much appreciated. FYI and pleasure, I join the 2 last cases' notes (since she was with me). There are a lot of things that are simply false in the notes and that were provided in the application (e.g. salary deposits, international travels). I took the liberty of writing that down in the notes inside brackets ([]). I also have the 3 first ones (before I had met her) so feel free to ask if it can help.
------------------------------ CASE NOTE'S FROM APRIL 2013. TEXT INSIDE [] WAS ADDED BY ME -------------------------------------
FOSS: Previously refused-three TRVs in 2008 and 2009 for concerns over bona fides. At that time, she was applying to visit fiancé XXX in Canada. Applicant is applying to visit boyfriend: XXX for three months. Submissions indicate that partner's employment situation is: employed and resident in Canada. Applicant indicates current employment is: manager at XXX in Hua Hin. Income is relatively low (22,000 Baht per month) [average salary in Thailand is 7,000 Baht per month]. There is no corresponding regular deposits representing this amount (or oneclose to it) in the applicant's bank books [bank books shows a deposit of ~22,000 baht each 5th day of every month for 6 months]. Most recent bank statement indicates balane of: 558,502 Baht. However, this includes two recent deposits of about 555,000 Baht. Source of these funds is unknown [Ask her in interview?]. Prior balances were in the low five-figure Baht range or less. Another bank book has a balance of 57,174 Baht. This include one recent deposit of 44,000 Baht. Previous balances in the account are representative of the applicant's regular financial status in Thailand. The application has limited travel history in her passport- one prior trip to Myanmar [she has stamps from Hong Kong, South Korea and Philippines]. The applicant has no children [WTF?]. Having reviewed this file in its entirety, I am not satisfied that the applicant is bona fide temporary resident to Canada who would depart before the end of the authorized stay. In coming to this decision, I have considered the following factors: -the applicant has not provided sufficient evidence of strong financial/economic ties to the home country -the applicant's current employment/income in home country suggest tenuous economic establishment -the applicant's limited travel history -the applicant's relatively weak familial/social ties in the home country: no children -the applicant's relatively strong familial/social ties in Canada: boyfriend -the applicant has failed to satisfy me that the purpose...
------------------------------ CASE NOTE'S FROM OCTOBER 2013. TEXT INSIDE [] WAS ADDED BY ME -------------------------------------
AP is 31, single, want to visit boyfriend Mr XXX for 3 weeks. Previous 4 refusals. New employer since June 2013, startup company [not employer, her own company, registration papers were provided]. Was supposed to go for 3 months initially and now say 3 weeks. financial marginals inflated for the previous and current application. AP met boyfriend in October 2011-Mid March 2012 and visited again in June-sept2013. Invitation letter on file. No previous international history [same stamps as previous application were provided]. No substantial new information provided warranting a different decision. Not satisfied ties and motivations sufficient to ensure departure from Canada.
