TRV application instructions do not seem concise.

[Beaver]

Hello all:

Sometimes instructions can be subject for debate. I've been reading these two paragraphs from the instruction guide for the Temporary Resident Visa for some time:

"Do my spouse or common-law partner and dependent children need to apply separately?

"Your spouse or common-law partner and children who wish to visit Canada must apply for permission to do so. As long as you all apply together it will not be necessary for each person to fill out separate application forms. List the names and other information about your family members in the appropriate space on the application. If you require more space, attach a separate piece of paper and indicate the number and letter that you are answering.

"Children 18 years and over must complete their own application form.

"Family members are the immediate members of your family. Your spouse or common-law partner and your dependent children are your family members. A common-law partner is a person of the opposite or same sex who is currently cohabiting and has cohabited in a conjugal relationship with you for a period of at least one year.
Dependent children may be your own children or those of your spouse or common-law partner. A child must meet the requirements of type A, B or C below to be considered a dependent child."

So I'm inviting my Mom to visit me soon here in Canada, I have a brother and sister, both in their 40's, my father is deceased. What I seem to understand here in the paragraphs above is, in IMM 5457 Section 2 (Family members) is that "children" is meant for dependents only. Am I right or wrong in that assumption?

Should my mother list my brother, sister, and me (who are not dependent on her anymore) as we are all above 18? Or is CIC interested to know our family composition regardless of our dependancy?

My 49-year old sister would probably be the best candidate to accompany my mother, so I know she needs to complete her own application form. Should my mother, in her application, list my sister at the same time under "Children"?

Your interpretation is highly appreciated. Logic evades me.

 

[job_seeker]

Hello all:

Sometimes instructions can be subject for debate. I've been reading these two paragraphs from the instruction guide for the Temporary Resident Visa for some time:

"Do my spouse or common-law partner and dependent children need to apply separately?

"Your spouse or common-law partner and children who wish to visit Canada must apply for permission to do so. As long as you all apply together it will not be necessary for each person to fill out separate application forms. List the names and other information about your family members in the appropriate space on the application. If you require more space, attach a separate piece of paper and indicate the number and letter that you are answering.

"Children 18 years and over must complete their own application form.

"Family members are the immediate members of your family. Your spouse or common-law partner and your dependent children are your family members. A common-law partner is a person of the opposite or same sex who is currently cohabiting and has cohabited in a conjugal relationship with you for a period of at least one year.
Dependent children may be your own children or those of your spouse or common-law partner. A child must meet the requirements of type A, B or C below to be considered a dependent child."

So I'm inviting my Mom to visit me soon here in Canada, I have a brother and sister, both in their 40's, my father is deceased. What I seem to understand here in the paragraphs above is, in IMM 5457 Section 2 (Family members) is that "children" is meant for dependents only. Am I right or wrong in that assumption?

Should my mother list my brother, sister, and me (who are not dependent on her anymore) as we are all above 18? Or is CIC interested to know our family composition regardless of our dependancy? No

My 49-year old sister would probably be the best candidate to accompany my mother, so I know she needs to complete her own application form. Should my mother, in her application, list my sister at the same time under "Children"? No

Your interpretation is highly appreciated. Logic evades me.

Dependents (your mom's) as per CIC:

Dependent children may be your own children or those of your spouse or common-law partner. A child must meet the requirements of type A, B or C below to be considered a dependent child:

Type A

He or she is under the age of 22 and single, that is, not married and not in a common-law relationship.

Type B

He or she married or entered into a common-law relationship before the age of 22 and, since becoming a spouse or a common-law partner, has

* been continuously enrolled and in attendance as a full-time student in a post-secondary institution accredited by the relevant government authority; and
* depended substantially on the financial support of a parent.

or

He or she is 22 years of age or older and, since before the age of 22, has

* been continuously enrolled and in attendance as a full-time student in a post-secondary institution accredited by the relevant government authority; and
* depended substantially on the financial support of a parent.

Type C

He or she is 22 years of age or older, has depended substantially on the financial support of a parent since before the age of 22 and is unable to provide for him/herself due to a medical condition.

Your spouse or common-law partner and children must meet all the requirements for temporary residents to Canada. They must satisfy an officer that they are genuine temporary residents who will be in Canada for a temporary stay. They may be required to provide evidence that they are law abiding and have no criminal record. If your family member applies for a temporary resident visa, they must also meet all the conditions to obtain a visa.

Include them on your application by providing their names and other information in the appropriate space on the application form.

 

[Beaver]

Thanks for clearing that up, job_seeker! So I think essentially my mother just needs to put her name and no one else in those fields as she is widowed. PMM advised me that she does not need to put my father's name as she will enter herself as widow. I asked about this because I didn't want my mother to be accused of withholding material facts while trying to follow the instructions to the letter by not disclosing redundant info.

 

[job_seeker]

Thanks for clearing that up, job_seeker! So I think essentially my mother just needs to put her name and no one else in those fields as she is widowed. PMM advised me that she does not need to put my father's name as she will enter herself as widow. I asked about this because I didn't want my mother to be accused of withholding material facts while trying to follow the instructions to the letter by not disclosing redundant info.

Yup. Your mom is applying on her own, so just her on the application from. And you're right your sister needs to apply on her own if she is to accompany your mom coming to Canada. But there is a different application kit from the the Philippines. (They're both applying from the Philippines, aren't they?)

http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/philippines/assets/pdfs/temporary-visa-en.pdf
http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/philippines/assets/pdfs/personal_info_form-en.pdf (this where the family members/relatives appear)

 

[Beaver]

You have good memory. Yes, they are all from the Philippines, and I just printed those forms you pointed me to. Yes, I would not have discovered those other forms on my own because I only visited the main CIC page, so thanks to you again! I gotta give you a good rating LOL. My mother is going to have spend some time filling up that form, because she has about 9 siblings in the US and Canada. This is all becoming clear to me now.

 

[job_seeker]

You have good memory. Yes, they are all from the Philippines, and I just printed those forms you pointed me to. Yes, I would not have discovered those other forms on my own because I only visited the main CIC page, so thanks to you again! I gotta give you a good rating LOL. My mother is going to have spend some time filling up that form, because she has about 9 siblings in the US and Canada. This is all becoming clear to me now.

Thanks . Really appreciate it