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Hi guys,

I was asked why i claimed refugee status here in Canada during my interview! Is this normal?

I was also asked if I have refugee status anywhere else?

Anyone else have experience with this?? Or know the reason why?

I found it highly invasive and I am still recovering from reliving my trauma :( Surprised me for sure
 

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Why would you be offended?

You are APPLYING for citizenship, you are required to adhere to all rules, regulations to this application.

If they had to ask specific questions, this is their right.

We were asked if we have been arrested, in our interview, I was not offended by this.
 

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ScubaC said:
Hi guys,

I was asked why i claimed refugee status here in Canada during my interview! Is this normal?

I was also asked if I have refugee status anywhere else?

Anyone else have experience with this?? Or know the reason why?

I found it highly invasive and I am still recovering from reliving my trauma :( Surprised me for sure
These types of questions are standard. Nothing odd about them at all.
 

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hgn said:
Why would you be offended?

You are APPLYING for citizenship, you are required to adhere to all rules, regulations to this application.

If they had to ask specific questions, this is their right.

We were asked if we have been arrested, in our interview, I was not offended by this.
I did not say "offended" I said it was highly invasive to someone who has been through trauma.

I was asked numerous times about criminal activity as well of course! It is their right.

But please...read the post well and realize that not all of us came here without trauma.
 

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I guess I am still trying to recover. I was thrown off by having to relive certain events and also that they would ask.

I thought it was to verify documents that's all.

Any other previous refugees encountered this?
 

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ScubaC said:
I guess I am still trying to recover. I was thrown off by having to relive certain events and also that they would ask.

I thought it was to verify documents that's all.

Any other previous refugees encountered this?
The interview is really to address any uncertainties CIC has about your application. And their interview style can be like a CBSA officer interrogating someone trying to enter. It can be designed to cause confusion/emotion so that the person being interrogated "slips up" (almost like a detective interrogating a suspect). Hence remaining calm and saying only just enough to answer the question is best.
 

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ScubaC said:
Hi guys,

I was asked why i claimed refugee status here in Canada during my interview! Is this normal?
Yes, they want to verify if you are a genuine refugee or not. If you arent, then you do not qualify to be in canada, and hence do not qualify for citizenship. This is a requirement - they have to verify of you are a qualified applicant.


I was also asked if I have refugee status anywhere else?
Yes, this is a valid question. You cannot have refugee status in several places because you are claiming refugee status in Canada. They want to verify your eligibility again. This *IS* what the interview is all about - its an interview i.e. they ask you questions to get a full picture of your case. They were doing their job.


I found it highly invasive and I am still recovering from reliving my trauma :( Surprised me for sure
Sorry about that, but this is a required procedure. We were all asked if we have ever been arrested anywhere and made to sign a piece of paper saying that if they found such a record later on, the citizenship can be revoked. As a law abiding citizen, this could be insulting but thats what the interview is all about - to figure out if you are a genuine applicant who deserves a grant of citizenship.

Dont take it personally. Hopefully you will be taking the oath in a few months so the exciting part begins now!
 

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AB

Thanks for your kind words. Yes, I get it why and everything. But, the thing that surprised me was I went through all of this when I first came. I also went to a hearing to determine if my claim was credible. All of which I passed.

I guess this is like the final check?

Anyway I am still recovering and not quite believing it all happened! He did say that he granted me citizenship so I guess he was OK with me.

Still...it's a LOT to digest! ::)

Hopefully one day soon I will be able to overcome this whole journey and start living in peace!

Thanks again :)
 

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ScubaC, I hope you are feeling better. It is important that you continue receiving treatment (or start, if you've never sought treatment) for your trauma. I know first-hand that the cost can sometimes be prohibitive, but some psychologists may offer a sliding scale for the treatment, and sometimes one may be able to also have access to some free counselling (through school, or a community centre, support group...). You may also want to check a psychiatrist (which are covered by provincial healthcare).

I agree with what keesio and ABscientist have written. However, I do think that CIC (as well as police and CBSA) officers could be better trained to deal with sensitive and potentially traumatic topics to avoid re-traumatizing the applicant. It could be something as simple as "I'm going to ask some questions about your refugee claim, do you need some time?" to allow the person to mentally prepare to receive the questions — of course, it's still a very difficult thing for the traumatized person, but not coming out of the blue can help so much. I understand that the officers have a lot of people to interview in a relatively short amount of time, but this would not add much to the interview time (maybe a minute?) and would be incredibly valuable to the applicant.

Again, I hope you are well and are able to recover fast from this. I'm not familiar with these services in Toronto (I see from your signature that there's where you live), though I was directed to the university counselling and there I was given some material of where I could find specialized help for my PTSD, but I don't remember their name as this was years ago.

All the best.
 

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ScubaC said:
Hi guys,

I was asked why i claimed refugee status here in Canada during my interview! Is this normal?

I was also asked if I have refugee status anywhere else?

Anyone else have experience with this?? Or know the reason why?

I found it highly invasive and I am still recovering from reliving my trauma :( Surprised me for sure
I think a good option would be to have a medical document at hand at such times that clearly states that it can cause you trauma to revisit these moments and you should have to go through this only if it is absolutely relevant to the issue at hand and not just randomly, the onus is also. on you to ensure that the other. person is made aware of your uneasiness in reliving those moments.
 

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ABscientist referred to the why and such, largely about verifying refugee status.

But it should be recognized that what has been different is the extent to which CIC has, somewhat recently, been scrutinizing Permanent Residents who came to Canada as refugees, not so much to verify that they were legitimately refugees when they came to Canada or when they were granted PR status . . . but to determine if they still qualify as refugees or for protected person status.

In particular, there have been numerous cessation cases recently, including a number involving PRs applying for citizenship. These are cases in which CBSA or CIC has instigated proceedings to terminate refugee or protected person status.

This has become a more high profile issue because of a change in the law in December 2012 which now provides that cessation of refugee status automatically terminates PR status.

And, in particular, continued qualification for refugee status is something now being scrutinized when refugee PRs apply for citizenship.

While it is too complicated to reduce to simple declarative rules, what it practically amounts to is that CIC is looking for refugee PRs who:
-- have traveled to their home country, or
-- obtained a passport from their home country
-- especially targeting those who have done both, that is those who have traveled to their home country and obtained a passport from their home country

One of the key technical terms is "reavailment." If a refugee or protected person reavails himself or herself of the protection of their home state, their status as a refugee or protected person may be deemed ceased or terminated. That automatically terminates PR status. That, in turn, will result in the denial of a citizenship application.

Many PRs who came to Canada as a refugee have little or no clue about this. Many do not realize that just visiting their home country or obtaining a passport from their home country can result in the loss of refugee status, the loss of PR status, and if a citizenship application is in process, the denial of citizenship.

Indeed, in a number of cases it has specifically been the citizenship application which has triggered proceedings to terminate refugee status (pursuant to referral to CBSA from CIC), thus terminating PR status, thus precluding eligibility for citizenship.

This is not going down smoothly. Multiple cases have resulted in questions being certified for further review by the Federal Court of Appeals. Both the Federal Courts and even the IRB have, at least to some extent, balked some in how draconian this could be.

For an example of the IRB framing its decision so that the application by the Minister did not result in the termination of the individual's PR status, even though it determined his refugee status had ceased, see the MAZIN HELMY ISMAEL AL-OBEIDI decision.

Just this last week, the Federal Court quashed a cessation decision by the IRB, see the DAVIS WILLIAM LEZAMA CERNA decision.

Both of these cases involved individuals applying for citizenship. In the Cerna case in particular, the Federal Court identified the refugee's lack of understanding about the extent to which his PR status was at risk.


In any event, bottom-line, yes CIC is asking questions of citizenship applicants relative to their status as a refugee. And those who have traveled to their home country, or obtained a passport from their home country, face a risk which suggests it would be a good idea to see a lawyer sooner rather than later.
 

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Thank you all for the kind words

I do seek counselling at my college and it has been a hard road. But I am getting better and better each year I am here.

As for having a document or to have the officer say that they are going to ask about this is a very good idea. I had the officer spring a surprise on me and it was very bad because it made me feel very unsafe. The Mississauga office has a very public interview space and one of my fears was if someone else heard me!

I think I will speak to someone about this and try to get the cic to maybe change their tactics slightly or at least have a bit more sensitivity. I am not going to say it was all bad as in the end he was very sympathetic and understanding. But, the surprise part needs to change.

How willing they will be to understanding this or changing this I don't know. I do know they are not bad people and had no bad intentions. Also I am happy they are guarding my new country like this.

Thanks again one and all it means a lot!
 

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Please try not to take it personally. As I mentioned, CIC sometimes intentionally tries to be "difficult" in the interview as part of their tactic. They want to surprise and catch people off guard so it is unlikely they will ever want give you the heads up on what they will ask. They don't want people to have time to prepare (manufactured) answers ahead of time to "game" the system. And their questions can be very uncomfortable and accusatory at time. Many people being sponsored via Family Class Sponsorship have come out of the interview crying and upset because of what they felt was a rough and invasive interview... questioning the legitimacy of their relationship, asking them detailed questions on how physically "intimate" they have been, asking them to describe any arguments of fights, asking about any cases of domestic abuse and making them relive it if there were any instances of it. Do they go too far at time? That is likely. But they don't mean to hurt you with it. It is considered a "necessary evil". They key thing is to answer the questions best you can and move on.
 

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keesio said:
Please try not to take it personally. As I mentioned, CIC sometimes intentionally tries to be "difficult" in the interview as part of their tactic. They want to surprise and catch people off guard so it is unlikely they will ever want give you the heads up on what they will ask. They don't want people to have time to prepare (manufactured) answers ahead of time to "game" the system. And their questions can be very uncomfortable and accusatory at time. Many people being sponsored via Family Class Sponsorship have come out of the interview crying and upset because of what they felt was a rough and invasive interview... questioning the legitimacy of their relationship, asking them detailed questions on how physically "intimate" they have been, asking them to describe any arguments of fights, asking about any cases of domestic abuse and making them relive it if there were any instances of it. Do they go too far at time? That is likely. But they don't mean to hurt you with it. It is considered a "necessary evil". They key thing is to answer the questions best you can and move on.
Hi Keesio,

I don't take it personally, but it's a question of mental health here. I have been under treatment for 5 years trying to get over my trauma and trying to build a life here (starting over). Since the interview I have been having flashbacks and the nightmares have come back.

So, as you can imagine, this has been tough for me and significantly set me back in my healing. But, hopefully this will not persevere much longer and I will be able to move on in a healthy way.

All I am praying for now is a quick path to the oath ceremony where I can finally put all this behind me and REALLY move on.

Your posts have been helping me, for that thank you!