Status in Country, don't know what to put imm 5669

[compuguy2000]

Hi,

Long story short.

My wife came to Canada many years ago (before we met), made a refugee claim (Misrepresented).
The claim was denied/refused.
We met, started a family.
A few years after her claim was denied she was told to leave Canada by CBSA because she did not have legal status.
Removal Order became Deportation because it was past 30 days.
In the end we (she) cooperated with the CBSA and left Canada (Unassisted deportation), and she did clarify her identity with the CBSA before she left.

I'm now sponsoring her back to Canada, preparing the documents. The CBSA officer did mention to us that we do Grounds for her to return to Canada.

Most of the needed information is filled out. But I'm not sure what to put for her status when she was in Canada (she wouldn't really know either (not very knowledgeable about immigration stuff)). This is a question on imm 5669 - Personal History. And a similar question on form imm 0008.

For the period before a decision was made for her refugee claim, I assume that her Status in Country would be "Refugee Claimant"
And then after the decision was made for her refugee claim, in her case it was denied, her Status in Country would be what? She had a work permit and was working, would that make her a "Worker"? Would her Status in Country be simply "Foreign National"? And then there's "Other" for being Out of Status?

It's confusing for me because, we had submitted an H&C with the help of a law firm when she was still in Canada. And looking at copies of the forms I see that they put in form 5669 her Status in Country was "Worker" for the periods when she had the work permits, and then "Other" after her last work permit expired. It doesn't seem right to me. But then also, in form 0008 for a similar question the choice was "Foreign National".

Would they cross reference my newly submitted sponsorship application with the H&C we sent? In case I put a different answer (as correction) for the same question.

Thanks

 

[Mice]

She was out of status when her work permit expired or when CBSA asked her to leave. You should check which one is came first.
Because when she claim refugee,her work permit was not expired, so she was in legal status. If not, she was out of status.
Form 5669, there is an option Others for her, in the Activity Title put out of status if she was in. Name of.... leave it N/A

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Hi,

Long story short.

My wife came to Canada many years ago (before we met), made a refugee claim (Misrepresented).
The claim was denied/refused.
We met, started a family.
A few years after her claim was denied she was told to leave Canada by CBSA because she did not have legal status.
Removal Order became Deportation because it was past 30 days.
In the end we (she) cooperated with the CBSA and left Canada (Unassisted deportation), and she did clarify her identity with the CBSA before she left.

I'm now sponsoring her back to Canada, preparing the documents. The CBSA officer did mention to us that we do Grounds for her to return to Canada.

Most of the needed information is filled out. But I'm not sure what to put for her status when she was in Canada (she wouldn't really know either (not very knowledgeable about immigration stuff)). This is a question on imm 5669 - Personal History. And a similar question on form imm 0008.

For the period before a decision was made for her refugee claim, I assume that her Status in Country would be "Refugee Claimant"
And then after the decision was made for her refugee claim, in her case it was denied, her Status in Country would be what? She had a work permit and was working, would that make her a "Worker"? Would her Status in Country be simply "Foreign National"? And then there's "Other" for being Out of Status?

It's confusing for me because, we had submitted an H&C with the help of a law firm when she was still in Canada. And looking at copies of the forms I see that they put in form 5669 her Status in Country was "Worker" for the periods when she had the work permits, and then "Other" after her last work permit expired. It doesn't seem right to me. But then also, in form 0008 for a similar question the choice was "Foreign National".

Would they cross reference my newly submitted sponsorship application with the H&C we sent? In case I put a different answer (as correction) for the same question.

Thanks

Work permits issued to refugees do not grant status. She had no status during that time.

Just include a letter of explanation if you are unsure.

 

[Mice]

Work permits issued to refugees do not grant status. She had no status during that time.

Just include a letter of explanation if you are unsure.

You're right. But what status did she have when she arrived here?

 

[canuck_in_uk]

You're right. But what status did she have when she arrived here?

No idea, as OP has not provided that information. If she made the refugee claim at a POE upon entry, she had no status the entire time.

 

[compuguy2000]

Thanks for all your replies.

From what I understand, someone assisted her into Canada. She did not have a passport when she arrived and she was taken in for an interview at the airport, she claimed refugee at that time, and then was allowed into Canada. She was from Georgetown, Guyana, and from what she told me, there was a lot of violence, especially during elections, racial discrimination, and overall the country was not safe place to be. This was back in like 1990's to 2000's period.

She is back in Guyana now, and sometimes I just feel like taking our son and reuniting with her there for the time being while we deal and wait for the sponsorship stuff. But it just feels like a very unsafe thing to do. When she left Canada, I escorted her back, and seen the country for myself. Not really an ideal place to raise a family was how I felt. If it was a good place to live, she wouldn't have left in the first place, that's what she had said to me once. Her misrepresentation was that she gave a an incorrect country of birth, or simply she claimed that she was from one country when in fact she was from another.

Anyways..., from looking up the definitions. From the day she arrived in Canada and made the refugee claim to the day the decision was made for her refugee claim. She would have been a "Refugee Claimant". But that would have been more than 10 years ago. As the questions only ask for 5 or 10 years (form, imm 0008 and imm 5669) back from the date of submission of the sponsorship. I'm wondering if they (immigration) just really want only the "10" or "5" years period.

The definition of "Foreign National" seems to apply to her after the negative decision of her refugee claim since at that moment, she was neither a citizen or a permanent resident, and no longer a "Refugee Claimant" since a decision was made.

On the work permits that she had, it says "This document does not confer status"

And now my lawyer is asking for a new retainer because the previous lawyer who was assigned to my case at the same law firm is "no longer available". I hope they can put some payment from the previous retainer towards the new retainer agreement.... If not, I would have paid $3000 for three 15 - 30 minute meetings with a junior lawyer....

Sometimes I feel like I can just submit the application myself and probably just get a declaration by me and my wife notarized by a lawyer at the most. But I'm not all that knowledgeable in these immigration matters. Just want to do it right the first time.

 

[Mice]

Thanks for all your replies.

From what I understand, someone assisted her into Canada. She did not have a passport when she arrived and she was taken in for an interview at the airport, she claimed refugee at that time, and then was allowed into Canada. She was from Georgetown, Guyana, and from what she told me, there was a lot of violence, especially during elections, racial discrimination, and overall the country was not safe place to be. This was back in like 1990's to 2000's period.

She is back in Guyana now, and sometimes I just feel like taking our son and reuniting with her there for the time being while we deal and wait for the sponsorship stuff. But it just feels like a very unsafe thing to do. When she left Canada, I escorted her back, and seen the country for myself. Not really an ideal place to raise a family was how I felt. If it was a good place to live, she wouldn't have left in the first place, that's what she had said to me once. Her misrepresentation was that she gave a an incorrect country of birth, or simply she claimed that she was from one country when in fact she was from another.

Anyways..., from looking up the definitions. From the day she arrived in Canada and made the refugee claim to the day the decision was made for her refugee claim. She would have been a "Refugee Claimant". But that would have been more than 10 years ago. As the questions only ask for 5 or 10 years (form, imm 0008 and imm 5669) back from the date of submission of the sponsorship. I'm wondering if they (immigration) just really want only the "10" or "5" years period.

The definition of "Foreign National" seems to apply to her after the negative decision of her refugee claim since at that moment, she was neither a citizen or a permanent resident, and no longer a "Refugee Claimant" since a decision was made.

On the work permits that she had, it says "This document does not confer status"

And now my lawyer is asking for a new retainer because the previous lawyer who was assigned to my case at the same law firm is "no longer available". I hope they can put some payment from the previous retainer towards the new retainer agreement.... If not, I would have paid $3000 for three 15 - 30 minute meetings with a junior lawyer....

Sometimes I feel like I can just submit the application myself and probably just get a declaration by me and my wife notarized by a lawyer at the most. But I'm not all that knowledgeable in these immigration matters. Just want to do it right the first time.

It's better if you have a good lawyer. But $3000 for three 15 - 30 minute, it's a lot.
In the form they asked past 10 years OR age of 18 from the date of application. You don't have to fill out of this timeline.
However, you have to answer section 4 d) in form imm5669 and give an explanation.
You can apply by yourself, only be careful with Misrepresent again.
For out land sponsorship, you have second chance appeal if you fail and you can appeal with a lawyer to assist.
Join this thread: https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/all-spouse-appeal-cases-come-here-and-join-us-plz.87619

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Thanks for all your replies.

From what I understand, someone assisted her into Canada. She did not have a passport when she arrived and she was taken in for an interview at the airport, she claimed refugee at that time, and then was allowed into Canada. She was from Georgetown, Guyana, and from what she told me, there was a lot of violence, especially during elections, racial discrimination, and overall the country was not safe place to be. This was back in like 1990's to 2000's period.

She is back in Guyana now, and sometimes I just feel like taking our son and reuniting with her there for the time being while we deal and wait for the sponsorship stuff. But it just feels like a very unsafe thing to do. When she left Canada, I escorted her back, and seen the country for myself. Not really an ideal place to raise a family was how I felt. If it was a good place to live, she wouldn't have left in the first place, that's what she had said to me once. Her misrepresentation was that she gave a an incorrect country of birth, or simply she claimed that she was from one country when in fact she was from another.

Anyways..., from looking up the definitions. From the day she arrived in Canada and made the refugee claim to the day the decision was made for her refugee claim. She would have been a "Refugee Claimant". But that would have been more than 10 years ago. As the questions only ask for 5 or 10 years (form, imm 0008 and imm 5669) back from the date of submission of the sponsorship. I'm wondering if they (immigration) just really want only the "10" or "5" years period.

The definition of "Foreign National" seems to apply to her after the negative decision of her refugee claim since at that moment, she was neither a citizen or a permanent resident, and no longer a "Refugee Claimant" since a decision was made.

On the work permits that she had, it says "This document does not confer status"

And now my lawyer is asking for a new retainer because the previous lawyer who was assigned to my case at the same law firm is "no longer available". I hope they can put some payment from the previous retainer towards the new retainer agreement.... If not, I would have paid $3000 for three 15 - 30 minute meetings with a junior lawyer....

Sometimes I feel like I can just submit the application myself and probably just get a declaration by me and my wife notarized by a lawyer at the most. But I'm not all that knowledgeable in these immigration matters. Just want to do it right the first time.

She doesn't need to go beyond the 5 or 10 years. The refugee claim and deportation is asked about in other areas. She should include a Letter of Explanation redgarding the full situation, particularly if there was misrepresentation and an illegal entry.

She should put "Other" and "Out of Status".

You don't need a lawyer but that is your choice.

 

[compuguy2000]

It's better if you have a good lawyer. But $3000 for three 15 - 30 minute, it's a lot.
In the form they asked past 10 years OR age of 18 from the date of application. You don't have to fill out of this timeline.
However, you have to answer section 4 d) in form imm5669 and give an explanation.
You can apply by yourself, only be careful with Misrepresent again.
For out land sponsorship, you have second chance appeal if you fail and you can appeal with a lawyer to assist.
Join this thread: https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/all-spouse-appeal-cases-come-here-and-join-us-plz.87619

The $3000 was for the whole preparing and submitting of the sponsorship application, but now that the assigned lawyer is no longer available and that they are asking for a new retainer because the case will be handled by another lawyer at the firm, makes it seem like I paid for nothing. The firm is a reputable one. So hopefully they will be reasonable.
Yes, in Section 4 d) and actually c) and e) we put yes.

 

[Mice]

The $3000 was for the whole preparing and submitting of the sponsorship application, but now that the assigned lawyer is no longer available and that they are asking for a new retainer because the case will be handled by another lawyer at the firm, makes it seem like I paid for nothing. The firm is a reputable one. So hopefully they will be reasonable.
Yes, in Section 4 d) and actually c) and e) we put yes.

Yes, 4 c) d) e) explain in this section is the most important for her. Then proof of your relationship is important, too.
the rest personal information have a check careful follow checklist and guide. Be prepared every paper by yourself , or a lawyer give your a list information follow forms that they may fill them for you. When you do your work, you will come out with questions, ask experts or lawyers.