sponsorship Questions

[lomeli619]

hi i have a couple of questions

my wife is a canadian citizen and i am american
she doesnt work shes on ODSP and it is considered regular income
im trying to fill out al the applications to get everything going i have the money but
everytime i go to do it i get so frustrated and start messing up all the applications

since she doesnt make ENOUGH according to the table in the CIC site
we have 2 kids together she just had my second
and im scared im going to get denied,ive had many job offers here as well and i mean all i want to do is work
to provide for my family

is there anything i can do to kinda secure that they wont deny me?

 

[tink23]

Spousal sponsorships don't need to meet a certain income level. We're exempt, so don't worry about that. Just make sure your wife shows, through the application, how you all will be living and surviving. If you're the breadwinner, then that's how u intend to do it, which is 100% ok. There's nothing really to worry about.

 

[lomeli619]

Spousal sponsorships don't need to meet a certain income level. We're exempt, so don't worry about that. Just make sure your wife shows, through the application, how you all will be living and surviving. If you're the breadwinner, then that's how u intend to do it, which is 100% ok. There's nothing really to worry about.

it just kinda gets me worried, im working on the applications like i said but its confusing at times all the stuff u gotta do i was thinking about going to a immigration lawyer or consultant or what ever u call them but their kinda pricey, and i dont know where to apply if outside of canada or inside of canada or what would be better

 

[tink23]

it just kinda gets me worried, im working on the applications like i said but its confusing at times all the stuff u gotta do i was thinking about going to a immigration lawyer or consultant or what ever u call them but their kinda pricey, and i dont know where to apply if outside of canada or inside of canada or what would be better

You don't really need to hire an immigration lawyer. If your case is a little tricky then it might be a good idea, but if it's a pretty straight forward case there isn't really a need, especially if the money would be better spent else where for u and your family!

As for where to apply, it's probably best for you to apply Outland because inland takes a really long time and u aren't allowed to leave Canada during that process (or it can be very risky) and u can't work or anything during that time... Without land, you're finished and have your PR long before u would with inland... Inland, sponsor approval alone takes 11 months, so for the whole process to be finished you're looking around 19 months, more or less, and with Outland you'll be finished with PR around or even before the 11 month mark, so it's worth it. If you apply OUtland, if u guys decide to live in Canada throughout the process, that's fine too since u don't need a visa to visit (just make sure when crossing the boarder u don't say "I'm moving!" you must say you're visiting because without PR you're not allowed to move). Also with outland, if for whatever reason the case is denied (doesn't usually happen, esp for Americans, but u never really know for sure) u have the right to appeal the decision, whereas with inland u can't appeal..... I think the time frame alone, that is what makes Outland a much better option.

 

[lomeli619]

You don't really need to hire an immigration lawyer. If your case is a little tricky then it might be a good idea, but if it's a pretty straight forward case there isn't really a need, especially if the money would be better spent else where for u and your family!

As for where to apply, it's probably best for you to apply Outland because inland takes a really long time and u aren't allowed to leave Canada during that process (or it can be very risky) and u can't work or anything during that time... Without land, you're finished and have your PR long before u would with inland... Inland, sponsor approval alone takes 11 months, so for the whole process to be finished you're looking around 19 months, more or less, and with Outland you'll be finished with PR around or even before the 11 month mark, so it's worth it. If you apply OUtland, if u guys decide to live in Canada throughout the process, that's fine too since u don't need a visa to visit (just make sure when crossing the boarder u don't say "I'm moving!" you must say you're visiting because without PR you're not allowed to move). Also with outland, if for whatever reason the case is denied (doesn't usually happen, esp for Americans, but u never really know for sure) u have the right to appeal the decision, whereas with inland u can't appeal..... I think the time frame alone, that is what makes Outland a much better option.

oh ok if i apply outland am i able to get a work permit or something to work in canada or i have to wait?
i am currently on a visitors extension ive been on one for a bout 2 years now wich is kinda wierd lol

 

[CharlieD10]

Then you definitely want to apply Outland, in case someone realizes you have been "visiting" for more than 2 years and asks you to leave! Your application remains safe that way.

If you can find an employer who will go through the Labour Market Opinion process (basically proving they have tried to hire a Canadian citizen or resident for the job but were unsuccessful so they have decided to hire you), then you can get a closed work permit (closed because it is tied to that specific employer) and you would be able to work. Or, if you have a NAFTA-eligible occupation, you can apply through that programme.

If you applied Inland, you would only get an open work permit after stage one (approval in principle) which is currently taking 11 months. With an Outland application, you could be a PR by that time already.

 

[lomeli619]

Then you definitely want to apply Outland, in case someone realizes you have been "visiting" for more than 2 years and asks you to leave! Your application remains safe that way.

If you can find an employer who will go through the Labour Market Opinion process (basically proving they have tried to hire a Canadian citizen or resident for the job but were unsuccessful so they have decided to hire you), then you can get a closed work permit (closed because it is tied to that specific employer) and you would be able to work. Or, if you have a NAFTA-eligible occupation, you can apply through that programme.

If you applied Inland, you would only get an open work permit after stage one (approval in principle) which is currently taking 11 months. With an Outland application, you could be a PR by that time already.

so i could get introuble for them letting me stay for that long? lol thats messed up , the last extension i asked for because my wife had the new baby
but if i apply outland i hve to leave once my time is up right? thats what im trying to avoid is leaving so if i do inland i get to stay but it takes longer right

 

[CharlieD10]

No, you won't get in trouble for the time you have been on the extensions, those were legally granted and you were allowed to stay. However, you might apply for another one and the officer who processes it thinks, "Hmm, he's been here a long time as a visitor, no application for PR or work permit, denied!" and then you would really be up a creek because you'd have to leave Canada immediately or face being deported.

If you apply Outland, you can keep applying for extensions on the basis that you have a PR application in process and wish to remain with your family until it is completed. It is a perfectly legitimate reason for being granted another extension, and many applicants are successful in getting extensions by demonstrating they are fully compliant with Immigration.

Applying Inland doesn't guarantee you get to stay, no. And it takes longer, yes.

 

[lomeli619]

No, you won't get in trouble for the time you have been on the extensions, those were legally granted and you were allowed to stay. However, you might apply for another one and the officer who processes it thinks, "Hmm, he's been here a long time as a visitor, no application for PR or work permit, denied!" and then you would really be up a creek because you'd have to leave Canada immediately or face being deported.

If you apply Outland, you can keep applying for extensions on the basis that you have a PR application in process and wish to remain with your family until it is completed. It is a perfectly legitimate reason for being granted another extension, and many applicants are successful in getting extensions by demonstrating they are fully compliant with Immigration.

Applying Inland doesn't guarantee you get to stay, no. And it takes longer, yes.

ahhhhh i seee ok i understand, can i apply for a work permit since i been here for so long or would it be better to just do the PR all together? if i need any assistance filling out the applications i can find the answers in this forum or is there someone specifically that can help me

 

[CharlieD10]

Do your PR application. As my husband would say, "git 'er done!".

If you can find an employer so you can get a closed work permit (specific to your employer) meanwhile, then look into that as well. I would not recommend an Inland application simply because you can get an open work permit, by the time you received that you would be 11 months in and could have had your PR by then with an Outland application (especially as your case sounds quite straightforward). Remember than an Outland application does not mean you need to leave Canada. Just make sure you keep your status legal.

If you need assistance, search this forum, or simply ask questions. There are always people willing to help. Look for a user called "parker24", and search her posts. She prepared quite a comprehensive summary of what must be done for an American spouse to be sponsored, you will find it quite useful.

 

[lomeli619]

Do your PR application. As my husband would say, "git 'er done!".

If you can find an employer so you can get a closed work permit (specific to your employer) meanwhile, then look into that as well. I would not recommend an Inland application simply because you can get an open work permit, by the time you received that you would be 11 months in and could have had your PR by then with an Outland application (especially as your case sounds quite straightforward). Remember than an Outland application does not mean you need to leave Canada. Just make sure you keep your status legal.

If you need assistance, search this forum, or simply ask questions. There are always people willing to help. Look for a user called "parker24", and search her posts. She prepared quite a comprehensive summary of what must be done for an American spouse to be sponsored, you will find it quite useful.

oh ok well thank you, it just seems like such a drag to do all this paper work lol but thank u very much

 

[CharlieD10]

It's fairly time-intensive, yes, but with the proper attention to detail, you get it right the first time and need do nothing more than wait for your PR. First thing to do is read the Guide and the forms, if you haven't done so already. Just read them first, you can always plan your approach once you see what is to be dealt with.

When you're done reading, start drafting the forms, one by one. Work in a serial approach, do not go back and forth between forms. When you have a draft of the various forms, start gathering your supporting documents. Work on these in terms of what will take the longest to obtain (probably your FBI report) to what will be easiest (your photos) and then what should be done last (your medical). Once all your supporting documents are together, start drafting the final copy of the forms, and organizing the supports. Use the checklists as a guide to organizing, that way you know you have everything you need. Pay your fees ASAP, that can be done at any time (it will also help you when you request another extension).

Ask if you have questions. Good luck!

 

[lomeli619]

It's fairly time-intensive, yes, but with the proper attention to detail, you get it right the first time and need do nothing more than wait for your PR. First thing to do is read the Guide and the forms, if you haven't done so already. Just read them first, you can always plan your approach once you see what is to be dealt with.

When you're done reading, start drafting the forms, one by one. Work in a serial approach, do not go back and forth between forms. When you have a draft of the various forms, start gathering your supporting documents. Work on these in terms of what will take the longest to obtain (probably your FBI report) to what will be easiest (your photos) and then what should be done last (your medical). Once all your supporting documents are together, start drafting the final copy of the forms, and organizing the supports. Use the checklists as a guide to organizing, that way you know you have everything you need. Pay your fees ASAP, that can be done at any time (it will also help you when you request another extension).

the medical is upon their request or i should have it before hand , also they changed some stuff in some applications where only the sponsor had to fill them and now it says both do like the generic application and the sponsorship application i believe

 

[lomeli619]

It's fairly time-intensive, yes, but with the proper attention to detail, you get it right the first time and need do nothing more than wait for your PR. First thing to do is read the Guide and the forms, if you haven't done so already. Just read them first, you can always plan your approach once you see what is to be dealt with.

When you're done reading, start drafting the forms, one by one. Work in a serial approach, do not go back and forth between forms. When you have a draft of the various forms, start gathering your supporting documents. Work on these in terms of what will take the longest to obtain (probably your FBI report) to what will be easiest (your photos) and then what should be done last (your medical). Once all your supporting documents are together, start drafting the final copy of the forms, and organizing the supports. Use the checklists as a guide to organizing, that way you know you have everything you need. Pay your fees ASAP, that can be done at any time (it will also help you when you request another extension).

the medical is upon their request or i should have it before hand , also they changed some stuff in some applications where only the sponsor had to fill them and now it says both do like the generic application and the sponsorship application i believe

 

[lomeli619]

the medical is upon their request or i should have it before hand , also they changed some stuff in some applications where only the sponsor had to fill them and now it says both do like the generic application and the sponsorship application i believe