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mpottier

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Hello everyone from Seoul South Korea. I have a big interesting topic to present and questions to ask. Currently I am a Canadian living in Seoul, South Korea. I have been here for going on 4 years. Currently I have a common law spouse who I have been living with here since September 2009. She is American, not Korean. She has been here for about 3 years. We are both on Korean E2 Visas, which are for teachers of children and adults. She teaches at an elementary school , and I teach University classes.

Nevertheless, I would like to sponsor her to come to Canada and live with me in the Autumn of this year (Sept-Nov 2011). Our relationship is genuine, and we have all the paper work for sponsorship eligibility lined up and ready to mail off to the office in Ontario.

However, this is where is gets complicated, she has 2 DUI's on her record. One occurred almost 10 years ago when she was 19, and just made a stupid mistake, there was no dangerous driving, no bodily harm ,and no property damage. The second occurred in the spring 2009, much to her humiliation. She was coming home from dinner with family, and an officer pulled her over for a random check (which is legal in her state of Maine), and gave her a DUI because she had drinks with her dinner (which she had absently mind-idly forgot about). Once again there was no speeding/dangerous driving, no bodily harm, and no property damage. She always cooperated, and paid the fines promptly. Her licence is gone and she doesn't intend to get it back anytime soon (She is eligible to get it back this year with restrictions, and get it back with no restrictions next year). Also, she is originally from a border town in Maine, and she can literally see Canada from her house. In the summer of 2009 we visited her hometown, and went to the border to visit my family in Nova Scotia (we didn't know about the inadmissibility rules). They scanned her passport and her DUI from 10 years ago popped up. They took her to an isolation room, and questioned her ( I was not allowed to go with her). She obviously told them the truth and was very forthcoming and told them of the second DUI that didn't show up on their scan. However, she was denied entry and we were told to turn around (Thank god she lives 5 minutes from the border). They offered us no information on how she could enter Canada. Lastly, her second DUI does no appear on her criminal record, we don't really know why (it's been over 2 years), but the State of Maine said they don't always appear on your criminal record if there were no aggravating circumstances, it would just appear on you driving record.

Anyway, we later learned we should have went to one of the major border crossings to get a Temporary resident permit (TRP) from a trained immigration official (the smaller crossing we went across was not equipped with immigration officers), and that with proper paper work she can get this TRP issued for up to 3 years in length (and it will allow her to get a student and open work visa if it is issued for longer than 6 months).

Nevertheless, I was wondering if anyone has any experience with these TRPs, and how difficult they are to get? My spouse has lived in Korea for 3 years, and the Korean government doesn't care about these types of infractions, and they certainly trust her with children. She has also traveled to Brazil, China ,and Europe with no problems, in fact they almost laugh when she brings it up (like we are wasting their time with this, they are looking for violent criminals or smugglers). The immigration website is extremely vague on this matter, and I have no idea what they mean when they say TRP's are issued on compassionate grounds (does that include us?). Also, some websites say they issue these rarely, but I have spoken to numerous lawyers who say they issue these things daily, with few being rejected. Also, I used Stats Canada and discovered they issue thousands of these TRP's a years for much worse crimes, including armed robbery, manslaughter, sexual assault, and 'terrorist acts'!? I also called immigration in Canada, and they sent me an e-mail, stating that they had to change the rules for TRP's because too many people were getting rejected from the USA. They actually created a clause that celebrities and musicians coming to Canada can get TRP's more easily!? (I still have this e-mail, and I will try and post it).

Thanks to anyone who has any experience with this, we are going to apply for it either way, and we would rather not use lawyers since they charge way too much, and don't seem to offer any real advantage (in fact some lawyers told us to just try it by ourselves first).

Thanks in advance.
 

asmallant

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hi There, Would u pls let me know your solution? I am at the same situation, I need your help with information. thank you veyr much!
 

Kess

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May 19, 2010
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My husband and I are dealing with the Criminal Rehabilitation process right now for a DUI almost 13 years ago. Based on the DUI she received in 2009 she will not be admissable to Canada until 10 years after the completion of her sentance (if there was probation/jail time) or 10 years from the charge occuring. After 5 years she can apply for rehabilitation and I believe this is part of getting the TRP (our application was requested after submitting the PR add so the process is a little different for us). My husband has crossed the border several times because the DUI didn't show up but because we filled out the PR application honestly (on the question if you have ever been charged, etc) we have to go through this process. Check out the link below for the forms and details:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/rehabil.asp

You can apply for individual rehabilitation if at least five years have passed since you completed your criminal sentences. People who are ineligible for approval of rehabilitation because not enough time has passed can complete the form and check “For Information Only.” An officer will decide if special permission for temporary admission is warranted.
 

lenardparnold

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Sep 5, 2010
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20/10/2010 sent to Canada
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29/11/2010 Sponsorship approved, PR app sent to Singapore
I had no idea that a DUI from 10 years ago would restrict enrtance into Canada of all things.
 

mpottier

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Jan 23, 2011
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Yup, I have done an extreme amount of research, and Canada is the only country in the world with this black and white restriction. For Example Australia, which has almost an identical government system and code of laws as Canada is far less restrictive, and in my opinion make more sense. Here is Australia's policy for getting there version of a PR:

A person is deemed to have a substantial criminal record if they have been:

sentenced to either death or life imprisonment
sentenced to a term of imprisonment for 12 months or more
sentenced to two or more terms of imprisonment (whether on one or more occasions), where the total of those terms is two years or more
acquitted of an offence on the grounds of either unsoundness of mind or insanity and, as a result, the person has been detained in a facility or institution.

You have to be a serious criminal, and even then they might still let you in as a tourist. Once again in my opinion Canada's policy is backward, and an overall waste of time and resources that could be better spent screening real dangerous people, such as the groups Australia screens.
Nevertheless, we have applied for PR here in Seoul, while at the same time applying for a TRP. However, some lawyers have told us that lately they will grant the PR anyway if they think you are not a threat. Since my spouse did no jail time, payed all fines, and lost her license for 90 days more than 2 years ago,She has also traveled extensively, and is an elementary school teacher, this MIGHT happen, but we are not holding our breath.

We should know their response in the next couple of months, so I will post back then! Luckily here in Korea it takes them 6 months, rather than the sad 11-12 months needed in the USA. What!?
 

mpottier

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PS. Nothing shows up at all on her FBI national criminal record check, Completely blank! We contacted the FBI, and an interesting gentleman who sounded like he was sick of inquiries regarding Canada, said "we have better things to do than record and follow every single person in the USA with a DUI, and Canada should realize this".

Anyway, just another note, the TRP is for people where the five years has not passed, so you can apply for it before then. If five years have passed you can apply for rehabilitation. If 10 years have passed you qualify for being automatically rehabilitated, and it is a bit if an easier process. Also, for Americans these services are available at the port of entry, however they don't like doing it and it is better to do it before you go to avoid denial. Finally many of the lawyers I have spoken to said that they rarely have TRP's refused if all the documents are in order. In fact one lawyer told me out of the last 30 or so he did only one got rejected, and most of the TRPs were for crimes far worse than a DUI (also less than 5 years old). In other words this is a huge money grab and make work project for the Canadian government, and obviously has nothing to do with 'keeping the Canadian public safe'.