Sponsoring my wife (WITHOUT WEDDING), help ( ImmOfficer, PM, Leon)

[MARLENA]

Did u check to see if your marriage is recognized in Canada. If yes than you shouldn't have a problem since your marriage would be considered legal in Canada.
Have you translated and notorized the marriage documents or the agreement ?
In your application did you explained another ceremony will take place sometimes in the future and that's why you didn't invite people during the ceremony.
Did you take any pictures during the gathering? If yes did you send them already with your application.Did you provide any kind of proof the show there was contact between you and her prior to the marriage or at least before you applied?


What kind of proof did you provide ????????Nothing at all. They will definitely ask you for additonal documents or requested an interview which she can provide at the time.

At the meantime gather as much information you can.... the one that I mentioned before like emails, msn chat, greeting cards, write letters expressing your love to her, airline borad tickets when u visited if you still have them... collect anything you can at least until they take a decision.

If your application is empty (no proof whatsoever) you should know it will be a very negative impact on your application but I wish you all the luck in the world.

 

[Al.Abed]

I did everything you mentioned above except for proof prior to marriage because there isn't. we only talked on webcam and I had no clue I'd have to save all this stuff or else I woulda created emails/chat logs/etc. marriage is legal, got docs, explained why no wedding and explained that I plan to have a wedding etc. sent some pix (10 or so) of the gathering plus boarding passes for the one time visited and got married. I can provide all the proof from the day we married till now (which is 4 months)

its not part of our culture/religion to do the "date" thing and the visa office there should be aware of that. People meet a couple of times (with parents) and if all is good they go ahead and get married after getting to know each other for a bit (days/weeks/maybe month). People there marry on compatibility then love comes after marriage.


how do people get approved when they have arranged marriages? they just go and get married so no "proof" of prior to marriage.

but anyways, thanks marlena for your input, I appreciate it.

 

[ariell]

Well, from what I can gather from what you've written here, you DID have a wedding -- you had a civil ceremony. But you didn't have a religious ceremony or reception. As long as you are legally married in Jordan, then you are legally married for CIC's purposes. If as mingus says, a quick marriage is normal in Jordan, then maybe you won't have too much difficulty. But I think you should be preparing yourselves in case you have an interview. Start gathering all proof of contact between the two of you (since your marriage) -- emails, letters, phone calls, etc. etc. Good luck to you.

 

[Boncuk]

Marlena is quite right in all that she has written. Whether its the social norm or not you still have to prove that the marriage is genuine. I wouldnt wait until they have too many questions and call your wife for an interview, I would send them ongoing communication between you and your wife. Perhaps you can add her to all your accounts in Canada and include those as well to show you are expecting her arrival as your wife. Another thing I recommend if you didnt do it already is include letters from family speaking about your marriage etc. India for example is overloaded with arranged marriages and yes they include pictures from an actual wedding cereomony. If you explained why you didnt do an official party then hopefully that's enough. Some offices are more strict than others. But if I were you keep collecting all you can as evidence of your marriage and relationship.
Best of luck to you.

 

[fairouzm]

mmmmmmmmm

so where did your file go to? Syria?


Well... let me tell u the experiances ...


My sister did the same thing and applied to Syria because her hubby was studying there... They did the katb ketab... and got refused super fast 6 months time (immigration used to take longer for spouses then )without an interview... ended up spending extra 2 years waiting 1 to get the appeal date and won it... then syria's office took a year to give him his visa


the other one applied thru another office and it was only katb ketab thru the phone and they gave her a chance to go and do the wedding...before they would accept her hubby ... weird i Know... but this happened...


So when is ur wedding.. make sure to make it so hard for them to refuse ur application...

What evidance did you send?

Make sure u gather evidance from now on... ie gifts... screen shots of ur chats ... webcams... etc....

U have to send more evidance if u didn't .... then... keep collecting evidance just in case...



But inshalalh they will accept ur case... I know it is easier to bring a wife than to bring a husband...

 

[Rasha]

Salam al.abed,

alf mabrouk on your wedding.

I'll be brief - and I speak from experience as someone who passed in 133 days without any interview!!! As the others have said, you need proof.

What you did was a civil wedding - it was not religious, but it will be recognized. I will play the advocate here and just say that you need to do everything in your power to show that you did not marry your wife so she can relocate to Canada [excuse me for saying that] but this is what the I/O will be thinking if you do not provide enough information on the longevity of your relationship, and your family's relationship with your wife.

Ok so you got married quickly - that happens, but did both families approve ? do you have written letters of support and welcoming from both of your families - if you don't, you should.

Do you have letters of support from friends who know you both well - and have known you both know each other over 11 years??? If not, then you should.

Do you have photos documenting the time that you did spend together with family after you did the civil ceremony? If you have then, and did not include them, you should.
Your case is good in that you have known each other for so long, bring that as proof. Explain how you have known each other, explain the circumtances that made you arrive at marriage, and explain everyhing well - and inshallah all things will be good.

I reaalize that your file ahas been sent already, but \i would not wait until they assing a file number with AOR \i would forward to the local embassy, keeep copies [electronic] and ressubmit as a case specific inquiry once you have a file number/

Good Luck

 

[Al.Abed]

um fairouzm, thats pretty damn similar to my case... you're freaking me out. I dont want to wait 3 years.... Im ok with them asking me to go do the wedding then accept it after.

so I'm guessing I should send them some stuff from the date of the marriage till now. Am I able to attach documents via 'case specific' thing online. I can put a bunch of stuff in a ZIP folder and send it? or should I just fedex it? I also want to send them a long letter explaining everything in further details because maybe I didn't explain that much on the application because I didnt think they were this strict. I always thought u marry someone and they come (no rejections)

 

[Al.Abed]

oh and another thing, the letters from friends, do they have to be in English??

 

[Rasha]

um fairouzm, thats pretty damn similar to my case... you're freaking me out. I dont want to wait 3 years.... Im ok with them asking me to go do the wedding then accept it after.

so I'm guessing I should send them some stuff from the date of the marriage till now. Am I able to attach documents via 'case specific' thing online. I can put a bunch of stuff in a ZIP folder and send it? or should I just fedex it? I also want to send them a long letter explaining everything in further details because maybe I didn't explain that much on the application because I didnt think they were this strict. I always thought u marry someone and they come (no rejections)

From my own experience, I would attach each document individually - I never sent zip files...you can attach more than one file, at a time I do believe.

Also, from your second post, if you read the instructions all materials or documents sent to CIC must be in English or French. What we did is, for the letters that were in Arabic, we translated them ourselves...[I didn't bother to have them professionally translated, like I did with other more official papers.

 

[fairouzm]

mmmmmm

everything has to be in english...

if i was u, i would arm myself with more than just that... especially that u didn't have a wedding...anything and everything.. Just think evidance evidance... evidance...

even emails to ur friends that send u congratulations... u know this shows it is not just a plot..

usually it is easier for women than men in sponsoring... but don't leave anything for luck... do ur part well and then leave the rest to God

 

[MARLENA]

From my past experience with Damascus scan the information if you can and attach it to your email and send it to the following:

re-damascus-im-enquiry @ international.gc.ca

I did the same and they responded the next day and they even provided me with a file# with usually start with BXXXXXXXXX(9NUMBERS) name of the applicant and FC1.

Make sure to explain in your email every detail of the circumstances.

BTW just to help you out this is their response to my first email that I sent


Dear Sponsor (My name)
Please be advised that the application is in queue for assessment. Please be patient as we will contact you when the application reaches the next stage of processing. In the meantime, if there is any change in the information submitted for the application please inform us as soon as possible.


Please note that we are devoting all available resources to ensure that our priority Family Class cases (spouses, partners, and dependent children) are processed as quickly as possible. Your spouse's application was received in our office onxxxxxxxxxx. Our objective is to finalize these cases within 6 months of the date of receipt. Routine cases, where all the required information is submitted with the application, are handled even more quickly. However, if further checks are required, finalizing the case might take longer.

Please note that if we require any additional documents or information, you will be contacted.

Regards,



Immigration Section - NMM

Embassy Of Canada, Damascus

P.O.Box 3394

Tel.: (963-11) 611-6692

Fax: (963-11) 611-8034



Web site: http://www.international.gc.ca/missions/syria-syrie/

E-mail: damascus-im-enquiry @ international.gc.ca



Good luck with your proces!!!! Please feel free to ask any other questions.

 

[Al.Abed]

Thank you everyone for all your input, everyone here is awesome!
I am preparing a 2nd package. I'll scan everything I have and put a note saying that I can send originals if required (letters, postcards, letters from friends etc)

and marelena, can I attach it on the "case specific equiries" thing that i fill out? (https://dmp-portal.cic.gc.ca/cicemail/intro-eng.aspx?mission=damascus) because I emailed them a question once to that email you listed and didn't get a reply, used the case specific section and got a reply the next day.


one question tho, I was told everything has to be in english, does that mean I have to translate my emails/chat logs/letters?? translate at a recognized translation place?? all my communication is in arabic

i will post later what I will be including in the 2nd file and maybe you can give me hints if I should include anything else.

 

[MARLENA]

I didn't translate my Arabic emails or msn chat to English we were communicating all the time in our native language but of course when I use to type it was not in Arabic alphabetical but rather in English letters. My husband was still able to read them. In each email we have English word here and there. In conclusion and to answer your question I didn't bother translating any of them unless they asked me to do so which they didn't.

 

[Al.Abed]

^ i edited my previous post while you replied

and ya she types in arabic (full out letters), I type in english just like you said (y3ne zay hek).
ok thank god, there is no way im taking my chat convos to get them translated!

can I attach it on the "case specific equiries" thing that i fill out? (https://dmp-portal.cic.gc.ca/cicemail/intro-eng.aspx?mission=damascus) because I emailed them a question once to that email you listed and didn't get a reply, used the case specific section and got a reply the next day.

 

[rorita_76]

hello Al.Abed, and welcome to the forum (even it is litlle late)
I went thru Damscus as well, I am lebanese and my husband is originaly lebanese, It took them 4 month excatly to ask for my passport after I received the AOR. I will tell you from experience, I used to spend 12 hour daily on the forum and other sources, Damscus is one of the fastest offices, and they are fair, if you are straight forward with them. In my case, we had lot of proof, so no problem there.
I am with Marlena, Bonuck and Rasha in what they have told you, if your marriage i s reconized in Jordan, it is reconized in canada, about the proof, as they told you, collect as much as you can and send them via fedex, and make sure to write your wife info on each paper. From what I see in your case, you have the proof problem. But guess what , lot had the same problem, and they got approved, with few picture and few emails.
Don't take anything as granted, it is a serious matter that will effect your life, make research and arm yourself with knowledge. Collect proof, letter, picture (if found) parent letter, example of the kind of marriage you had among your family or her family, anything that proove your marriage is for real.
Best of luck