Sponsoring My Wife while we both live together, abroad.

[screech339]

Screech, I'm a little shocked at how you chose to fill in the lines in many areas. First, I am first generation born abroad, my son is second, hence he doesn't qualify for citizenship. Also our plans to the CIC are very well laid out with those specifics put in there. Just because you have your PR doesn't mean you have to immediately cross that border and take up residency. So there is no fraud taking place. I think you are a little quick to judge....

My apology about the assumption about passing citizenship to your son. It has completely slipped my mind that you can be a 2nd generation Canadian, thus cannot pass on Canadian citizenship. I sincerely apologize for that.

While you have to show intent of moving to Canada while living in US for your husband and son's PR, there isn't any rules that you must stay in Canada after acquiring PR status after landing, your actions does draw a fine line of intention to actually move to Canada. I mean what's the purpose of CIC wanting proof that you intend to move back to Canada.

This is the kind of action CIC want to prevent. Those who is applying for the sole purpose of getting PR without having to "move" to Canada. Just land and go back since residency counts towards PR status while living with a canadian abroad.

What you will do is exactly that. Land as PR and then leave Canada the next day or two. You will move back when you are ready to come back not when your husband and son get PR. CIC expects you to move back when they land.

Screech339

 

[saria1]

Is that like a PO box? You better check if CIC will even mail PR cards to PO or UPS boxes. They may have a policy against it.

You may need to give the address of a friend/family in Canada to receive the PR card, and courier it to you in US.

If you use UPS, they provide a physical address instead of PO box, for an extra charge the will forward everything to your home. I do have many cousins in Toronto if I choose to go that route. I just hate putting people out of their way, when I can simply handle it myself.

My iphone chopped off a good portion of my response, so I'm editing it back in.

We have the intent of moving to Canada. We are not in the situation where we want/need to get across the border as soon as the PR is issued. My heart goes out to those who are separated from their loved ones during their process, and with that I see the want/need and desire to cross that border as soon as PR is granted to live. We will move there, we just won't sell our home and up root our child until the time has come to do so. There is no need to temporarily displace ourselves hoping the PR will show any day, week or month. Once the PR arrives, we land, come home, list our home and move during the summer months or after closing. I know in most places around the world children come last when considerations are being given, but in this country the needs of the children are met first and foremost. Uprooting twice in a row is not necessary in our case. We have filled out our application and will submit it towards the end of the year (or as soon as my citizenship cert arrives) and it has spelled everything out for CIC to make their informed choice.

 

[screech339]

We have the intent of moving to Canada. We are not in the situation where we want/need to get across the border as soon as the PR is issued.

So you are not in position to want or need to move back when PR is issued. No offense but doesn't that defeat the purpose of "proving to CIC that you will intend to move back to Canada once PR is issued".

 

[saria1]

So you are not in position to want or need to move back when PR is issued. No offense but doesn't that defeat the purpose of "proving to CIC that you will intend to move back to Canada once PR is issued".

I have a desire to move up there, but as some people have loved ones on the other side, sitting in Canada waiting to be with them. I am fortunate that I have my loved ones, my spouse and child with me. Screech, are you a troller? I see you have a lot of posts, but you seem more a person who thrives on conflict.

 

[keesio]

Once the PR arrives, we land, come home, list our home and move during the summer months or after closing.

That's no problem. Many people do exactly that. What CIC wants to guard against is people who land and then continue remain outside Canada with no plan to come back, and if they eventually do that the applicant will not go on welfare. So all they need to see is a concrete plan - mostly how will you and your husband earn a living in Canada once both of you settle there

 

[saria1]

That's no problem. Many people do exactly that. What CIC wants to guard against is people who land and then continue remain outside Canada with no plan to come back, and if they eventually do that the applicant will not go on welfare. So all they need to see is a concrete plan - mostly how will you and your husband earn a living in Canada once both of you settle there

Thank you keesio!

 

[screech339]

I have a desire to move up there, but as some people have loved ones on the other side, sitting in Canada waiting to be with them. I am fortunate that I have my loved ones, my spouse and child with me. Screech, are you a troller? I see you have a lot of posts, but you seem more a person who thrives on conflict.

If I was really a troller, I would be getting tons of minus to my profile.

But I do sometimes point out the some actions that can be contrived as breaking or bending the rules to justify their own needs. Actions that others have followed the rules while seeing others doing it the opposite can rub them the wrong way and felt unfair. It can range from people believing IEC work visa will get implied status to people complaining about the processes of inland over outland and wanting their cake and eat it too.

Your action of waiting to sell your house before actually moving back to Canada after landing is justifiable especially if you live far away from Canada that selling your house while living in Canada would be next to impossible or expensive to do due to travel cost.

I was able to sell my house in Canada while living and working in US. So it is not impossible but doable. I lived 6 hours away drive from the US border and another 2 hours inside Canada.

 

[saria1]

If I was really a troller, I would be getting tons of minus to my profile.

But I do sometimes point out the some actions that can be contrived as breaking or bending the rules to justify their own needs. Actions that others have followed the rules while seeing others doing it the opposite can rub them the wrong way and felt unfair. It can range from people believing IEC work visa will get implied status to people complaining about the processes of inland over outland and wanting their cake and eat it too.

I think what you fail to see in all this, is that everyone of us is a case by case situation. Some peoples stories are people who want a change, like us, we're finically stable, why not do it? Others are running from dangerous situations and fought long and hard to be able to come to Canada.

You would think my situation since I'm a Canadian citizen, with a long standing marriage and a child with my husband, would irk you much less than the immigration marriages. People who have only seen each other a handful of times. I've had 3 uncles with immigration wives, 2 are divorced (after citizenship was attained) and the other is about ready to get divorced because his spouse just got citizenship. Focus on picking them apart. Not the average person who has dual citizenship and can freely move about and needs to go through a little paperwork and a long wait to bring her husband and son with her. Have you ever heard the term pick your battles?

 

[screech339]

I think what you fail to see in all this, is that everyone of us is a case by case situation. Some peoples stories are people who want a change, like us, we're finically stable, why not do it? Others are running from dangerous situations and fought long and hard to be able to come to Canada.

You would think my situation since I'm a Canadian citizen, with a long standing marriage and a child with my husband, would irk you much less than the immigration marriages. People who have only seen each other a handful of times. I've had 3 uncles with immigration wives, 2 are divorced (after citizenship was attained) and the other is about ready to get divorced because his spouse just got citizenship. Focus on picking them apart. Not the average person who has dual citizenship and can freely move about and needs to go through a little paperwork and a long wait to bring her husband and son with her. Have you ever heard the term pick your battles?

I agree that I have to pick my battles. I don't mean any disrespect to you or your family but try to look at it from another point of view, a CBSA agent point of view.

Would you tell this to the CBSA border agent upon landing?

"While we have the intent of moving to Canada, we are not in the situation where we want/need to get across the border as soon as my husband and son get their PR on landing."

Are you willing to tell them that with the confidence to say to them that there were no rules in having to stay in Canada after landing, if CBSA actually denied them PR status? Try telling them that. I would suspect that CBSA would likely deny your husband and son PR since they would perceive that statement as a sign of no intention of moving back to Canada and you only sponsored them just so they can get PR. It is the way you worded yourself that gave the impression that you were not up front honest.

While you have justification in coming back to US until you sell your house, before you actually move to Canada, just be careful of your wordings. Sometimes when people post their messages, I try to place myself as a CBSA and see how that message would come across. Then I give feedback on how the statements or comment can come across to others. Some statements usually come across unintentional in nature, while others are outright intentional.

 

[Bearcheese]

You are correct, I had realized that after I posted it. I'm not sure why he even to the topic of citizenship when the main conversation was about PR.

She needs to get PR status before she can apply for citizenship though right? And she needs to be a PR for 2 or 3 years (spending time in Canada) before she can apply for citizenship right?

Therefore, what you had posted about time being spent outside of Canada, was relevant, right?

This process is insanely confusing for a 23 year old. oh boy.

 

[screech339]

She needs to get PR status before she can apply for citizenship though right? And she needs to be a PR for 2 or 3 years (spending time in Canada) before she can apply for citizenship right?

Therefore, what you had posted about time being spent outside of Canada, was relevant, right?

This process is insanely confusing for a 23 year old. oh boy.

The 2 years out of 5 years is the requirement to maintain PR status. However to quality for Canadian citizenship, at the moment you have to be in Canada 3 out of 4 years just prior to submitting the application.

In the meantime, there is a new citizenship law in government in process. If passed would required the PR to remain in Canada 4 out of 5 years.

 

[canadianwoman]

My wife is Canadian and currently in Canada and I am Pakistani living in Pakistan. Now I have got Job in Abu Dhabi. If she will join me over there and start working also then would it be possible she can apply for me spouse immigration from Abu Dhabi Canadian high Comission? or from where we should apply from Pakistan? even we will living in Abu dhabi?

Since your wife is a Canadian citizen, she can sponsor you even while she is living abroad. However, she will have to include proof that she plans to move back to Canada with you when you get your PR visa. You can apply through the visa office serving your country of nationality or your country of residence, though sometimes the visa office will send the application to a different office.

 

[Bearcheese]

The 2 years out of 5 years is the requirement to maintain PR status. However to quality for Canadian citizenship, at the moment you have to be in Canada 3 out of 4 years just prior to submitting the application.

In the meantime, there is a new citizenship law in government in process. If passed would required the PR to remain in Canada 4 out of 5 years.

Okay, but in either case, for the amount of time that a PR would have to remain in Canada, for either of those cases (maintaining PR or being to qualify for Canadian citizenship), every day that she spends with a Canadian citizen (in this case myself) abroad, counts as time towards maintaining her PR status/qualifying her for Canadian citizenship, correct? Regardless of whether those days spent abroad are because we're on vacation, or working. Am I correct?

 

[MilesAway]

The days spent with a Canadian spouse count towards the residency obligation, but not towards citizenship.

 

[Hasan9999]

The days spent with a Canadian spouse count towards the residency obligation, but not towards citizenship.

Which means you can remain PR as long as wish staying with your Canadian citizen spouse outside Canada but you will not be eligible to apply for citizenship until you finish physical stay in Canada for at least three years in a four year period.