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Thetruover

Newbie
May 16, 2023
6
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Hi everyone. I wish you happy summer.
Actually i waa granted refugee status 8 years ago . ( thank you canada) .i became citizen 6 months ago. Unfortunately i had an accident lately and i am struggling to recover i know it will take me awhile and my financial situation is not the best. I am unemployed and paying a lot of bills, rent and i do not want to apply for welfare. Still if i do it’s not gonna cover all costs.in case i go back i coule get cheaper medicare and i don’t have to pay rent
After reading numerous posts on this forum of some canadiana former refugee who say the optics dont look great returning back to home country.
at this point is it retuning back or i will put ky status at jeopardy please help me .my situation is tough
Thanks you
Best regards
 

dpenabill

VIP Member
Apr 2, 2010
6,436
3,183
Hi everyone. I wish you happy summer.
Actually i waa granted refugee status 8 years ago . ( thank you canada) .i became citizen 6 months ago. Unfortunately i had an accident lately and i am struggling to recover i know it will take me awhile and my financial situation is not the best. I am unemployed and paying a lot of bills, rent and i do not want to apply for welfare. Still if i do it’s not gonna cover all costs.in case i go back i coule get cheaper medicare and i don’t have to pay rent
After reading numerous posts on this forum of some canadiana former refugee who say the optics dont look great returning back to home country.
at this point is it retuning back or i will put ky status at jeopardy please help me .my situation is tough
Thanks you
Best regards
Sorry to see the difficulty of your circumstances. Hope you have a successful and speedy recovery.

Short answer regarding impact on STATUS of travel to home country: once a refugee acquires Canadian citizenship they are no longer a protected person (acquiring Canadian citizenship results in the cessation of refugee status), so travel to the home country has no effect on their status as a Canadian citizen.

Some clarifying observations: In contrast, traveling to home country while still a PR may constitute grounds for cessation of status, and if the RPD were to proceed with cessation, resulting in the cessation of protected person (refugee) status, that automatically terminates PR status.

That is: home country travel can result in losing refugee status and if this is while the individual is still a PR that also results in loss of PR status (with some exceptions). Not so for a Canadian citizen.

Short Answer Conclusion (for emphasis): Travel to the home country should have NO impact on your status as a Canadian citizen; so, if it is safe to travel to the home country, it should be OK.


Longer Observations Regarding Question About Former Refugee Returning to Home Country:

Personal Risk Factor:

Obviously the most important consideration is the nature and extent of risk there is in returning to the home country.
And obviously that depends on which country it is, the extent to which conditions in that country have changed since there was cause to flee and seek the protection of Canada, which includes the current conditions in that country, and of course the particular individual's circumstances, including circumstances incidental to the PR's return and stay, especially in regards to any particular dangers the PR might personally might encounter.

That's not about status as such. It is about personal safety. While being a Canadian citizen affords some protections provided by the Canadian government when traveling abroad, the nature and scope of this is far, far less than many realize . . . as a lot of people with Canadian citizenship living in Sudan very recently learned as internal instability and conflict there escalated. Especially when the individual is also a citizen of the country where they are located, the scope of what Canada can do to protect them is rather limited.

In any event, while the impact on an individual's status is hugely important, personal safety is the bigger, more important element.

Status as Canadian:

The difference between being a Canadian with citizenship status versus PR status is huge. As already noted, despite being a Canadian, travel to home country while still a PR can result in cessation of refugee status, and if that happens that automatically terminates PR status (with no right of appeal, barred from seeking Pre-removal Risk assessment, and barred for at least a year from making any H&C application for PR, making them inadmissible and subject to removal from Canada as soon as possible).

Further observations about this, for others (as a citizen you need not worry about this):

In particular, a Canadian with PR status obtained as a protected person, as a refugee, loses their status as a Canadian if their status as a refugee is terminated pursuant to cessation, subject to an exception for cases in which cessation, as determined by the RPD, is based on the reasons for needing protection ceasing to exist.**
**Note: there is a difference between an adjudication determining a refugee's status has ceased because it is safe to return to the home country, which does not result in the termination of PR status, versus situations in which a refugee might travel to the home country because the reasons for needing protection no longer exist, which can trigger and constitute grounds for cessation based on reavailment or restablishment in home country. That is, even though refugee status could be ceased due to it being safe to return, that does NOT protect a PR-refugee from cessation based on other grounds, if there are other grounds. Travel to home country using home country passport creates a strong presumption of reavailment, and can (and quite often DOES) lead to cessation proceedings, with the result that PR status is lost -- and the fact that RPD could have based cessation on Section 108(1)(e) does NOT block the RPD from determining cessation based on reavailment.​


An Unlikely to be Relevant Caveat (some just in case observations, and in part to explain why CBSA might have questions when returning to Canada):

A number of former refugees have reported elevated security related screening at the Port-of-Entry when they return to Canada. Well, reported this experience and complained about it.

For at least some of these cases, it appears the increased screening that is experienced was triggered by flags in their GCMS file relating to their previous status as a refugee.

This probably should not come as a surprise to any former refugees returning to Canada following travel to their home country.

What we do not know is whether or not, and if so to what extent, CBSA might be screening to identify possible misrepresentation cases. A former refugee's travel to the home country might, depending on a wide range of circumstances in the particular case, suggest the purported reasons for needing Canada's protection were not entirely accurate. While returning to the home country itself has no direct impact on a former refugee's Canadian citizenship, and is not in itself necessarily evidence of misrepresentations made in obtaining protected person status, obviously it can cause law enforcement (like CBSA) to have questions, such as to how is it safe now for this individual to travel to that country when at the time they applied for protection it was not. Misrepresentation at any stage of acquiring status in Canada is the one and only grounds for revoking a grant of naturalized citizenship. Former refugees who made no misrepresentations in applying for protection or PR have NOTHING to worry about.
 

yyzstudent

Champion Member
Nov 6, 2015
1,334
703
These are questions you need to ask and answer yourself:

Are you on medical leave and can get medical benefits?

Can you receive temporary disability benefits?

Can you apply to rentbank to receive help with paying rent?

Why do you not want to go on welfare?

Food bank could help you feed yourself while welfare pays for bills.

You were a refugee for a reason. Why risk going back?

You need to look into all of these things.
These are not questions you need, nor should due to privacy reasons, answer here. These, and more, are questions you need to ask yourself.
 

Thetruover

Newbie
May 16, 2023
6
1
Sorry to see the difficulty of your circumstances. Hope you have a successful and speedy recovery.

Short answer regarding impact on STATUS of travel to home country: once a refugee acquires Canadian citizenship they are no longer a protected person (acquiring Canadian citizenship results in the cessation of refugee status), so travel to the home country has no effect on their status as a Canadian citizen.

Some clarifying observations: In contrast, traveling to home country while still a PR may constitute grounds for cessation of status, and if the RPD were to proceed with cessation, resulting in the cessation of protected person (refugee) status, that automatically terminates PR status.

That is: home country travel can result in losing refugee status and if this is while the individual is still a PR that also results in loss of PR status (with some exceptions). Not so for a Canadian citizen.

Short Answer Conclusion (for emphasis): Travel to the home country should have NO impact on your status as a Canadian citizen; so, if it is safe to travel to the home country, it should be OK.


Longer Observations Regarding Question About Former Refugee Returning to Home Country:

Personal Risk Factor:

Obviously the most important consideration is the nature and extent of risk there is in returning to the home country.
And obviously that depends on which country it is, the extent to which conditions in that country have changed since there was cause to flee and seek the protection of Canada, which includes the current conditions in that country, and of course the particular individual's circumstances, including circumstances incidental to the PR's return and stay, especially in regards to any particular dangers the PR might personally might encounter.

That's not about status as such. It is about personal safety. While being a Canadian citizen affords some protections provided by the Canadian government when traveling abroad, the nature and scope of this is far, far less than many realize . . . as a lot of people with Canadian citizenship living in Sudan very recently learned as internal instability and conflict there escalated. Especially when the individual is also a citizen of the country where they are located, the scope of what Canada can do to protect them is rather limited.

In any event, while the impact on an individual's status is hugely important, personal safety is the bigger, more important element.

Status as Canadian:

The difference between being a Canadian with citizenship status versus PR status is huge. As already noted, despite being a Canadian, travel to home country while still a PR can result in cessation of refugee status, and if that happens that automatically terminates PR status (with no right of appeal, barred from seeking Pre-removal Risk assessment, and barred for at least a year from making any H&C application for PR, making them inadmissible and subject to removal from Canada as soon as possible).

Further observations about this, for others (as a citizen you need not worry about this):

In particular, a Canadian with PR status obtained as a protected person, as a refugee, loses their status as a Canadian if their status as a refugee is terminated pursuant to cessation, subject to an exception for cases in which cessation, as determined by the RPD, is based on the reasons for needing protection ceasing to exist.**
**Note: there is a difference between an adjudication determining a refugee's status has ceased because it is safe to return to the home country, which does not result in the termination of PR status, versus situations in which a refugee might travel to the home country because the reasons for needing protection no longer exist, which can trigger and constitute grounds for cessation based on reavailment or restablishment in home country. That is, even though refugee status could be ceased due to it being safe to return, that does NOT protect a PR-refugee from cessation based on other grounds, if there are other grounds. Travel to home country using home country passport creates a strong presumption of reavailment, and can (and quite often DOES) lead to cessation proceedings, with the result that PR status is lost -- and the fact that RPD could have based cessation on Section 108(1)(e) does NOT block the RPD from determining cessation based on reavailment.​


An Unlikely to be Relevant Caveat (some just in case observations, and in part to explain why CBSA might have questions when returning to Canada):

A number of former refugees have reported elevated security related screening at the Port-of-Entry when they return to Canada. Well, reported this experience and complained about it.

For at least some of these cases, it appears the increased screening that is experienced was triggered by flags in their GCMS file relating to their previous status as a refugee.

This probably should not come as a surprise to any former refugees returning to Canada following travel to their home country.

What we do not know is whether or not, and if so to what extent, CBSA might be screening to identify possible misrepresentation cases. A former refugee's travel to the home country might, depending on a wide range of circumstances in the particular case, suggest the purported reasons for needing Canada's protection were not entirely accurate. While returning to the home country itself has no direct impact on a former refugee's Canadian citizenship, and is not in itself necessarily evidence of misrepresentations made in obtaining protected person status, obviously it can cause law enforcement (like CBSA) to have questions, such as to how is it safe now for this individual to travel to that country when at the time they applied for protection it was not. Misrepresentation at any stage of acquiring status in Canada is the one and only grounds for revoking a grant of naturalized citizenship. Former refugees who made no misrepresentations in applying for protection or PR have NOTHING to worry about.
First off let me send you a big thanks for your detailed answer and taking that valuable time to answer me . Your message makes me feel a lot comfortable regarding this issue . I spent several years in canada to settle here and i really love this nation more than my country of origin unfortunately shit happens i had a severe injury so going back to home and running out of money makes me consider going back. My refugee claim is 100% genuine i am a gay person who fear persecution because of the islamic law . I want to cry because i feel lonely and don’t want to risk my status . You are a god sent life saver. Although many people want to judge and impact our mental issues.
actually i was wondering if i would jeorpardize my status because i became citizen lass than a half year and i may want to stay there for long time probably since i am not recovering fast and this is where my fears and worries came from You are a good guy god bless you . My prayers come straight from my heart to you and your beloved ones
 
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Thetruover

Newbie
May 16, 2023
6
1
These are questions you need to ask and answer yourself:

Are you on medical leave and can get medical benefits?

Can you receive temporary disability benefits?

Can you apply to rentbank to receive help with paying rent?

Why do you not want to go on welfare?

Food bank could help you feed yourself while welfare pays for bills.

You were a refugee for a reason. Why risk going back?

You need to look into all of these things.
These are not questions you need, nor should due to privacy reasons, answer here. These, and more, are questions you need to ask yourself.
Hello my dear no i am on none of these above. I never wanted to apply for welfare unfortunately now i consider to do so even though its not sufficient to cover all the costs including rent ,meds etc. I use to go to a food. Bank 2 times monthly ( heads and hands ). This situation is saddening me and i don’t want to end up in street. I worked hard. Before so i am living on my savings from past jobs and soon I’d be running out of money. As i mentioned to other member here i am a genuine member of lgbtq . Came here almost 8 years ago and never returned back to ky country . I remember living in a shelter before( while pr ) just to avoid going back there. I would not by any way go back there . My country of origin rules with islam and people like me are either attacked,tortured,imprisoned) . I am very lucky to be here and if i write here it is because i enjoy my freedom here and don’t want to lose it .
note that i left all my belongings and wealth just to enjoy living in canada
Thank you brother
 

Jerrybutt

Newbie
Oct 14, 2018
5
2
Hi .. sharing my experience

I became candian citizen a month ago and got my passport . I did not use the opportunity to use as a duel citizenship advantage and travel back home on a visa. It was short trip for few days not even a month. On my way back i was so anxious since on this website i have read a lot of negative and some of positive things as a former refugee going back will be questioned. Coming back to canada i had multiple layover if this applies on someone i had entered in England and from gatewick to heathrow airport no transport was provided by airline i had to arrange it myself. Landed in canada went to arrivals where an officer were indicating the line for candian citizenship and pr holder and for other passport holder. Went to kisok made my declaration form couple questions and a photo it printed a recipe with my photo. Was confused did not no where to go i think i went to the nexus card kisok and scaned my passport again mechine said document not eligible but still the door were open and i went to the cbsa line where 2 immigration officer were looking at the recipes and telling people if they have to go to meet with a border or just head out. I had another recipe printed from nexus card line by mistake . I show the recipe to the officer they were confused why do i have 2 recipe i belive the nexus line recipe officer asked me to hand her and the declaration recipe officer looked at and mark it and said ( stright and out) . Went to the Luggage claming hall collected bags and on way exit the declaration recipe officer took it and i made my way out .

So far all the people i know who were refugee and become citizen after went back home and got questioned they all had traveled outside canada on travel documents and on pr . I never went outside canada this was the first trip since i got citizenship and some of people i know had same situation they never traveled on pr or travel documents were not stoped by cbsa . Just my thinking the people who traveled on documents and pr might be there status update as pr in the system when they travel and come back canada. Because alot of people were talking about the tag has to be removed maybe that just that status need to updated from pr to citizen idk . But this was the whole story