Will it be wise to send all the credit card statements with the citizenship file has any one done that ?
Kindly if any one could reply
Kindly if any one could reply
Should I send credit card statements of all 36 months with the citizenship form
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It is really strange how the CIC works.
Two of my friends recently have send some extra documentation with their applications, and they've received RQ with a request to them to send again the same documents... Why the CIC wants the same documents, when they already have them in the office?
Two of my friends recently have send some extra documentation with their applications, and they've received RQ with a request to them to send again the same documents... Why the CIC wants the same documents, when they already have them in the office?
To be objective, no one knows how exactly CIC works, wrt the RQ issuing.era1521 said:
What we can do is to have better record keeping in order to best avoid an RQ. ( see also https://residencequestionnaire.wordpress.com/rq-risk-indicators/, not official source )
To be subjective, telephone bills / banking statements are one means of references as to determine whether a person reside in Canada.
Nonetheless, there are also other creditable ways of proof such as T4, NOA, letter of employment, school registration / transcript, health / dental records, driving records, CBSA report, passport stamps, etc.
Personally, I chose what I think is sufficient and effective, besides the required documents, instead of sending 48 months of phone bills and credit card bills.
None of us knows whether it helped, or in what way. That's just my two cents. To include what extra documents is of course a personal and subjective decision.
Ok, I understand your explanation.jrjayl said:
What was your motivation to choose to send additional documents, any documents as such, apart of what is required and clearly mentioned in the application guideline and ckecklist? Why did you feel you have to over-prove or even just prove your residency at initial stage?
I do not think I tried to over prove anything. I had sent T4, NOA and letter of employment as work proof, degree and transcript as school record.era1521 said:
I don't know if that is considered ''additional documents'', they were all required as what I think, and I think those were already sufficient.
It needs to be said with some emphasis that this particular query, here, however, has a simple, certain answer: NO!
No! Do not dump three years worth of credit card statements in with the application. Really.
This answer is not about the efficacy or prudence of sometimes including this or that additional documentation. Sure, whether or not it is OK to NOT follow the instructions, and go outside the checklist, and submit some additional documents with the application, is a question oft debated . . . even though there is virtually no definitive showing that doing so has had a beneficial effect, but only that for some applicants, me included, the inclusion of some additional documentation did not hurt. (But there are many examples where the inclusion of additional documents did not avoid RQ.)
However, there should be no doubt about document-dumps. There is nothing to be gained by dumping three years worth of credit card statements in with the application.
Even in response to RQ, except for those applicants who ran a business or were self-employed, or otherwise need to supplement proof of employment in Canada (such as an applicant for whom T4s and NoAs are, for some reason, not available or there are gaps in the documentation), credit card statements are of minimal value.
Overall, sure, whether or not to include some extra documents with the application is a personal decision. I did. I weighed the risks very carefully however. I did so recognizing that I was NOT following the instructions. I very specifically limited the number of extra documents included. I doubt they helped. I know they did not hurt because I took the oath in barely eight months (and it was in the first ceremony in my location in over four months, so there was no chance of it being any sooner).
One might say that there should be no downside to submitting extra material. Which makes me wonder about the extent to which people pay attention to the impression they make by not following the instructions. Clue: overtly failing to follow the instructions at the least indicates an individual who does not follow instructions. For those who think CIC doesn't notice, there is always RQ.
Some reminders:
-- the checklist is not a suggestion or example; it is more than a clue about what to submit
-- CIC is a bureaucracy, thus it acts like a bureaucracy, it's what bureaucracies do
-- residency is not assessed in the initial screening steps, even though reasons to question residency are (in other words, proof of residency will not help an applicant avoid RQ -- if elements in the application trigger CIC's triage criteria for questioning residency, RQ will be issued, and no amount of proof of residency will change that)
No! Do not dump three years worth of credit card statements in with the application. Really.
This answer is not about the efficacy or prudence of sometimes including this or that additional documentation. Sure, whether or not it is OK to NOT follow the instructions, and go outside the checklist, and submit some additional documents with the application, is a question oft debated . . . even though there is virtually no definitive showing that doing so has had a beneficial effect, but only that for some applicants, me included, the inclusion of some additional documentation did not hurt. (But there are many examples where the inclusion of additional documents did not avoid RQ.)
However, there should be no doubt about document-dumps. There is nothing to be gained by dumping three years worth of credit card statements in with the application.
Even in response to RQ, except for those applicants who ran a business or were self-employed, or otherwise need to supplement proof of employment in Canada (such as an applicant for whom T4s and NoAs are, for some reason, not available or there are gaps in the documentation), credit card statements are of minimal value.
Overall, sure, whether or not to include some extra documents with the application is a personal decision. I did. I weighed the risks very carefully however. I did so recognizing that I was NOT following the instructions. I very specifically limited the number of extra documents included. I doubt they helped. I know they did not hurt because I took the oath in barely eight months (and it was in the first ceremony in my location in over four months, so there was no chance of it being any sooner).
One might say that there should be no downside to submitting extra material. Which makes me wonder about the extent to which people pay attention to the impression they make by not following the instructions. Clue: overtly failing to follow the instructions at the least indicates an individual who does not follow instructions. For those who think CIC doesn't notice, there is always RQ.
Some reminders:
-- the checklist is not a suggestion or example; it is more than a clue about what to submit
-- CIC is a bureaucracy, thus it acts like a bureaucracy, it's what bureaucracies do
-- residency is not assessed in the initial screening steps, even though reasons to question residency are (in other words, proof of residency will not help an applicant avoid RQ -- if elements in the application trigger CIC's triage criteria for questioning residency, RQ will be issued, and no amount of proof of residency will change that)
So, how do you define "some"? Where you draw the line on what is "good enough"?dpenabill said:
And then, if "doubt they helped" with "I know they did not hurt" thats a pretty contradicting statement.
Whats the point of considering it in the first place?
Why should we recommend here what documents and how much to send with initial application, when is a checklist and guideline in place?
What motivated you to include that "some" additional documentation after carefully weighting .... what did you weight?
Have you thought you'll fence the RQ? Did you believe your application will be faster? And if it was not faster what was the issue as long as we all presume we here to live, die and get buried on Canadian soil. Why else would we need the citizenship, right?