Returning Christmas decorations for refund

[david1697]

Welcome to North American culture where consumer is King, Lights are nothing I've heard people returning blankets, half eaten frozen pizza, half bag of wings, electronic items and the list goes on

You are right newtone, and as of now it's even a profitable business (and therefore carried on).
We even have GENCO, a major player in buying and selling returned customer goods.
As long as it's profitable for businesses to offer a full refund on purchases they will continue to do so.
I also suspect that the cost of goods to Walmart who brings goods from overseas (and to similar retailers) is so low, that they make profit even when they liquidate returned goods at 60% of retail through their surplus return channels.
So, they win any way, whether you buy and keep or buy and return.
And nothing is free on this planet Earth. Everyone pays, one way or another.

 

[CanadianCountry]

@ david1697,
Citizens of convenience forced govt to pass stricter regulations (bill c24). System abused, a newer stricter system takes place.

As I draw parallels, too many people abuse the return policies, newer stricter system will take place.

I hope I could clarify my previous statement.

Immigration is not a Walmart though and right to live and work in any country is not a Christmas decoration.

 

[david1697]

@ david1697,
Citizens of convenience forced govt to pass stricter regulations (bill c24). System abused, a newer stricter system takes place.

As I draw parallels, too many people abuse the return policies, newer stricter system will take place.

I hope I could clarify my previous statement.

I understood, and wanted to point out that Immigration is not a Walmart.
And I would not draw parallels between purely profit oriented system and one that exists in service of public good.

The issue of immigrant abuse of rules is a sad reality (and by abuse I mean lying to CBSA, falsifying period of time stayed in Canada and doing lots of clearly illegal things to accomplish a goal in violation of laws). I had several arguments in this regard with other members on this forum.

But there is also a subject of laws and rationale for the laws being passed.

For example, if someone who some day becomes a Canadian Citizen chooses to fly to the Moon and stay there for 20 years, why such person must be stripped of Citizenship? If you give it a careful thought it's against Charter of Rights and should never had become a law.(See Mobility Right, Section 6 of Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms).

But it does occur and even less reasonable laws can (and probably will be) passed in future, because Immigrants do not properly make their case as they must in a Democratic society. They do not create public awareness, they do not campaign and do not meet with MP's, people in townhalls or news channel hosts, they do nothing to make society at large aware of their plea. Instead, they resort to breaking the laws and thus generate more negative publicity. More negative publicity = more voters upset with immigrants as a group and greater chances of even more unreasonable laws passed.

I thought about it at length and came to conclusion that there is a cultural problem (difference in cultures of immigrants as a whole body versus the host country) , as if two spoke in different languages, and as a result greater misunderstanding and irrational actions on both ends occur.
There has to be some way to transform debate from "lost in translation" to fully functioning communication, where immigrants and native born Canadians embrace, support and understand each other as One Nation.

As I pointed out it is not as simple as going to Walmart, buying and returning Christmas decorations.

 

[CanadianCountry]

I can understand your perspective. But by your perspective a similar deceitful behaviour is fine if dealing with for-profit institution, but not fine when dealing with a public institution.

To some extent I agree, lie to govt you will be penalized heavy. But not so much in case of for profit institutions.

But the human behaviour is the same (from psychological standpoint). The behaviour which in general effects people who are next to come, leading to a broken system in either case.

I understood, and wanted to point out that Immigration is not a Walmart.
And I would not draw parallels between purely profit oriented system and one that exists in service of public good.

The issue of immigrant abuse of rules is a sad reality (and by abuse I mean lying to CBSA, falsifying period of time stayed in Canada and doing lots of clearly illegal things to accomplish a goal in violation of laws). I had several arguments in this regard with other members on this forum.

But there is also a subject of laws and rationale for the laws being passed.

For example, if someone who some day becomes a Canadian Citizen chooses to fly to the Moon and stay there for 20 years, why such person must be stripped of Citizenship? If you give it a careful thought it's against Charter of Rights and should never had become a law.(See Mobility Right, Section 6 of Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms).

But it does occur and even less reasonable laws can (and probably will be) passed in future, because Immigrants do not properly make their case as they must in a Democratic society. They do not create public awareness, they do not campaign and do not meet with MP's, people in townhalls or news channel hosts, they do nothing to make society at large aware of their plea. Instead, they resort to breaking the laws and thus generate more negative publicity. More negative publicity = more voters upset with immigrants as a group and greater chances of even more unreasonable laws passed.

I thought about it at length and came to conclusion that there is a cultural problem (difference in cultures of immigrants as a whole body versus the host country) , as if two spoke in different languages, and as a result greater misunderstanding and irrational actions on both ends occur.
There has to be some way to transform debate from "lost in translation" to fully functioning communication, where immigrants and native born Canadians embrace, support and understand each other as One Nation.

As I pointed out it is not as simple as going to Walmart, buying and returning Christmas decorations.

 

[david1697]

I can understand your perspective. But by your perspective a similar deceitful behaviour is fine if dealing with for-profit institution, but not fine when dealing with a public institution.

To some extent I agree, lie to govt you will be penalized heavy. But not so much in case of for profit institutions.

But the human behaviour is the same (from psychological standpoint). The behaviour which in general effects people who are next to come, leading to a broken system in either case.

No, I mean those are functionally and purposefully different entities (state and business).
So, IMHO, comparing policies and interactions in one to another will distort and skew the general understanding of the picture in both.

I made no statement to the effect that deceitful behavior is justified under any circumstances.