Residency Obligation not completed in last 5 years

[nissan318]

Hello All, I got my PR card in 2021 with validity till Dec 2026. I moved to Canada in 2024 (spent 15 days) and had to come back to US for some reason. Now i will be moving again in Nov 2025, will have still 1 year and 1 month validity left on my PR card.
1) my question is if i stay in Canada for 730 days after moving this time, will i be able to get PR card renewed for me and my Family (2 kids - both US citiziens)?
2) what will be the implications in renewing?
3) in addition, will they allow me to import my household stuff back to canada, all of them are mentioned in Goods to follow list except the Car.
4) will they charge any import duty on the car (paid off)

 

[armoured]

Hello All, I got my PR card in 2021 with validity till Dec 2026. I moved to Canada in 2024 (spent 15 days) and had to come back to US for some reason. Now i will be moving again in Nov 2025, will have still 1 year and 1 month validity left on my PR card.
1) my question is if i stay in Canada for 730 days after moving this time, will i be able to get PR card renewed for me and my Family (2 kids - both US citiziens)?
2) what will be the implications in renewing?
3) in addition, will they allow me to import my household stuff back to canada, all of them are mentioned in Goods to follow list except the Car.
4) will they charge any import duty on the car (paid off)

1) If you all stay until you have 730 in the five years prior to the date you apply, should be no issue. Each individual's application and compliance are considered separately.
2) Don't understand. Implication is you get a new card - that's it.

I'll let others speak to your customs questions.

 

[canuck78]

Hello All, I got my PR card in 2021 with validity till Dec 2026. I moved to Canada in 2024 (spent 15 days) and had to come back to US for some reason. Now i will be moving again in Nov 2025, will have still 1 year and 1 month validity left on my PR card.
1) my question is if i stay in Canada for 730 days after moving this time, will i be able to get PR card renewed for me and my Family (2 kids - both US citiziens)?
2) what will be the implications in renewing?
3) in addition, will they allow me to import my household stuff back to canada, all of them are mentioned in Goods to follow list except the Car.
4) will they charge any import duty on the car (paid off)

Assume your children are also PRs and will be accompanying you. To meet RO you needed to have met the 730 days from when you landed not the expiry date of the PR card.

 

[armoured]

To meet RO you needed to have met the 730 days from when you landed not the expiry date of the PR card.

I think this formulation is confusing and misleading - it doesn't work for some period after the five-year anniversary (some days won't count), and it doesn't work before the first five year anniversary, either (days in future do count).

So I'll (tiresomely) repeat the simplest accurate formulation I know:
-A PR is in compliance if the total number of days OUTSIDE Canada is LESS THAN 1095 days in the last five years (as of the date of examination/applying) - ignoring any days before the date one became a PR.

[Why 1095? Five years * 365 days - 730 days minimum in Canada = 1095 days max outside Canada. "=" here to be read as equivalent - this is an arithmetic restatement.]

 

[canuck78]

I think this formulation is confusing and misleading - it doesn't work for some period after the five-year anniversary (some days won't count), and it doesn't work before the first five year anniversary, either (days in future do count).

So I'll (tiresomely) repeat the simplest accurate formulation I know:
-A PR is in compliance if the total number of days OUTSIDE Canada is LESS THAN 1095 days in the last five years (as of the date of examination/applying) - ignoring any days before the date one became a PR.

[Why 1095? Five years * 365 days - 730 days minimum in Canada = 1095 days max outside Canada. "=" here to be read as equivalent - this is an arithmetic restatement.]

The post mentioned expiry date of their PR card when referencing their RO. As we have seen many times people often confuse the that they dates on their PR card are related to their RO. Just wanted to stress the dates on the PR card aren’t related to RO.

 

[armoured]

The post mentioned expiry date of their PR card when referencing their RO.

I understand but this ended up leaving out the concept that dates older than five years 'drop off', as well as other calculation errors (potential).

As we have seen many times people often confuse the that they dates on their PR card are related to their RO. Just wanted to stress the dates on the PR card aren’t related to RO.

Then just say that - "dates on the PR card are not related to RO."

 

[nissan318]

One kid has PR card expiry same as ours and the for other kid it will be new PR application once we will be there in Canada. Please suggest if there will be no issues in getting PR for the kid and renewing our PRs once we complete 730 days from Nov 2025. I have heard some people got the renewal based on Humanitarian grounds. What are your thoughts on this, if family is staying in canada , kids going to school there.

 

[armoured]

One kid has PR card expiry same as ours and the for other kid it will be new PR application once we will be there in Canada. Please suggest if there will be no issues in getting PR for the kid and renewing our PRs once we complete 730 days from Nov 2025. I have heard some people got the renewal based on Humanitarian grounds. What are your thoughts on this, if family is staying in canada , kids going to school there.

You left out the key bit of information that one child is not a PR at all. You should consider speaking to a lawyer and at least getting a consultation.

Generally it is 'not recommended' to apply to sponsor when one is not in compliance with the RO - it can, in theory, lead to a review of the residency compliance and the consequences thereof (including losing status).

I do not believe I have enough info to suggest how much of a risk that is - it is less than 100% but not zero. Not being able to sponsor the child is a serious issue. I have seen reports here that some have applied to sponsor children (in /roughly/ comparable situations) and got it approved; it's possible they are more lenient for sponsorship of young children.

Similarly for the apply based on humanitarian grounds for PR renewal.

In both cases, it's possible applying before compliant will mean they are both delayed or put on hold.