Requested business visa but was refused twice because of Travel history and Employment

[mickeymark]

Good day.

Hi everybody!

I would like to ask a question from you guys what is the possible reasin i was refused twice by CIC and is confused why i was denied even though all my documents are complete.

I was supposed to go to Canada to plan a strategic/business meeting and be trained by my employer for 1 month. I was employed by a Canadian company here in my country and is planning for an asia-pacific expansion.

The company provided me with the Invitation Letter, Contract, and Itinerary for a month to be passed as a requirement.

On my first application, i applied as a business visitor and supplied all the necessary requirements EXCEPT the "financial statements" and contract (employment status) as its not in the requirements under the business visitor visa application.
On this application i was refused for the following reason: Travel History, Employment status, and Personal asset and financial status.

What confuses me is that employment status and personal asset is not in the requirements and i was denied because of that. Even though it was not asked or required, i still sent my contract.

On my second try, i applied as a visitor visa and the requirements differ. This time it ask for financial statements and employment status. I requested all necessary documents from the bank which shows i have a bank account and etc..
Also i was refused for the exact same reason.

I am curious why assets and employment status was questioned even though i already sent my CONTRACT and im just going to canada for training and planning of the local branch here for a month.

On Travel i havent traveled abroad for the past 10 years. My first application i didnt uploaded anything, when i was denied, i uploaded my travel in more than 10 years ago which is supposedly irrelevant because it was more than 10 years ago. I uploaded it just to be sure.

The company i have been working with is quite frustrated already as we need to launch ASAP.

My question is what are the possible reason why i was denied even though i have all the proof.

I hope my questions can be answered. Thank you very much in advance.

 

[MANAVI]

Hi! friend
are u applying your own or through any consultant
before putting your file to cic plz check the documnents req. checklist.
for any visa you apply for you need to show your bank statement along with the min amount required for the visa category.

 

[MANAVI]

even though you didnt travel in last 10 years you need to write on the paper formate provided by cic the place were u was or in for last 10 years all address details from your country

 

[mickeymark]

Hi! friend
are u applying your own or through any consultant
before putting your file to cic plz check the documnents req. checklist.
for any visa you apply for you need to show your bank statement along with the min amount required for the visa category.

hi thank you for the reply. im applying on my own as i saw the requirements are pretty straightforward. Yup i did doubled check and all requirements have a cover letter to explain the content. Yup i did show my bank statement and ask for a documents from the bank. Unfortunately i cant find any details on the min amount required for my cateogry as i'm going there as sponsored by my company for a meeting, orientation, training, and strategic planning for their expansion.

 

[mickeymark]

even though you didnt travel in last 10 years you need to write on the paper formate provided by cic the place were u was or in for last 10 years all address details from your country

Hmmm.. you mean even though its only a local travel in my country? Actually CIC does not have any format provided on the "Travel History" requirements. It just said that i need to pass those requirements without any form specified.

Thank you for the reply.

 

[Anwers]

hi thank you for the reply. im applying on my own as i saw the requirements are pretty straightforward. Yup i did doubled check and all requirements have a cover letter to explain the content. Yup i did show my bank statement and ask for a documents from the bank. Unfortunately i cant find any details on the min amount required for my cateogry as i'm going there as sponsored by my company for a meeting, orientation, training, and strategic planning for their expansion.

You should apply GCMS notes before re applying , in these notes you will get detailed info on what grounds your visa was refused , once you can answer those than apply
Only canadian can apply GCMS notes but you can google there are may doing it for 25 to 30 bucks and it will help you for sure

 

[Bryanna]

Hi,

The company provided me with the Invitation Letter, Contract, and Itinerary for a month to be passed as a requirement.

Was this an employment contract? Issued by the company in your home country or the Canadian one?

Which company would be paying for your visit/airfare/hotel?

How long have you been employed by this employer?

Did you establish/prove the business association between the two companies?

Did you provide evidence that your employer has selected you because of certain competencies? And no one else can be deputed for this training/planning?

One month's training would seem rather long. Can your training/visit be shortened to 2 weeks? Would you have to sign an employment bond after this training?

Did you demonstrate your professional and personal strong ties to your home country?

On my first application, i applied as a business visitor and supplied all the necessary requirements EXCEPT the "financial statements" and contract (employment status) as its not in the requirements under the business visitor visa application.
On this application i was refused for the following reason: Travel History, Employment status, and Personal asset and financial status.

You had correctly applied as a 'Business Visitor' the first time. Your second application was incorrect as a visitor.

You'll need to post the complete list of documents which you had submitted the first time.

What confuses me is that employment status and personal asset is not in the requirements and i was denied because of that. Even though it was not asked or required, i still sent my contract.

The Document Checklist is just a guide/suggested list. Each case is unique


Cheers

 

[mickeymark]

You should apply GCMS notes before re applying , in these notes you will get detailed info on what grounds your visa was refused , once you can answer those than apply
Only canadian can apply GCMS notes but you can google there are may doing it for 25 to 30 bucks and it will help you for sure

Thank you sir. I will seriously take this into account.

 

[mickeymark]

Hi,


Was this an employment contract? Issued by the company in your home country or the Canadian one?

Which company would be paying for your visit/airfare/hotel?

How long have you been employed by this employer?

Did you establish/prove the business association between the two companies?

Did you provide evidence that your employer has selected you because of certain competencies? And no one else can be deputed for this training/planning?

One month's training would seem rather long. Can your training/visit be shortened to 2 weeks? Would you have to sign an employment bond after this training?

Did you demonstrate your professional and personal strong ties to your home country?



You had correctly applied as a 'Business Visitor' the first time. Your second application was incorrect as a visitor.

You'll need to post the complete list of documents which you had submitted the first time.



The Document Checklist is just a guide/suggested list. Each case is unique


Cheers

Hi Sir, thank you for the reply.

Was this an employment contract? Issued by the company in your home country or the Canadian one?
ans: Yes it was an employment contract issued by the canadian company from canada, sent to us through email and signed it and sent it back to them. We requested an email from them of a contract signed by the president of the company which is the one we sent to cic.

Which company would be paying for your visit/airfare/hotel?
As stated in the invitation later, the company will pay for all expenses including insurance.


How long have you been employed by this employer?
Actually we were just hired this march as this is the first branch in our country. We are the one's who also helped the company to process their documents here in my home country.

Did you establish/prove the business association between the two companies?
That same company is opening a branch here in my country which they own. It is the same company that which has the main office in canada that is the one inviting me. Its only one company.

Did you provide evidence that your employer has selected you because of certain competencies? And no one else can be deputed for this training/planning?

Considering that we are the first employee/contractor of the company, we need to be trained and oriented within the company. We also are going to spearhead the asia-pacific launch. The invitation letter by the company specified that i was to be trained there and for planning.

One month's training would seem rather long. Can your training/visit be shortened to 2 weeks? Would you have to sign an employment bond after this training?
Actually its more than just a training, it includes strategic/business planning and meeting for the asia-pacific expansion. Also we are going to visit other offices / branches of the company in canada. The employment bond was not specified but we are under contract for a year. One of our informal roles are partners because we are going to market and look for clients for them so marketing strategy is included.

Did you demonstrate your professional and personal strong ties to your home country?
I emailed and answered all necessary questions on the documents they sent. Also i sent them the business registration of one of the company i owned here.

You'll need to post the complete list of documents which you had submitted the first time
I posted the old and added more with complete description and cover letter.

Thank you..

 

[mickeymark]

Will applying the 3rd time influence the result if i was rejected twice? They are giving me quite a difficult time. LOL.. im going back here which i earn and im just going to go there training, meeting, and planning.

 

[mickeymark]

You should apply GCMS notes before re applying , in these notes you will get detailed info on what grounds your visa was refused , once you can answer those than apply
Only canadian can apply GCMS notes but you can google there are may doing it for 25 to 30 bucks and it will help you for sure

Btw, where can i apply for this GCMS notes?

 

[Anwers]

Btw, where can i apply for this GCMS notes?

Google it or try www.visafile.info

 

[mickeymark]

Google it or try www.visafile.info

Thanks

 

[Bryanna]

Will applying the 3rd time influence the result if i was rejected twice? They are giving me quite a difficult time. LOL.. im going back here which i earn and im just going to go there training, meeting, and planning.

I strongly suggest you do NOT reapply a third time. It will be refused again considering the documents/your professional situation

 

[Bryanna]

Hi,

Your application is not that of a typical business visitor. Unfortunately, it is pretty evident why you have been refused.

GCMS notes may not help much although you should apply for them.

Was this an employment contract? Issued by the company in your home country or the Canadian one?
ans: Yes it was an employment contract issued by the canadian company from canada, sent to us through email and signed it and sent it back to them. We requested an email from them of a contract signed by the president of the company which is the one we sent to cic.

Employment contract issued by the Canadian employer + all-expenses paid by the Canadian employer = Your visit would be viewed as coming to Canada to work illegally on a Business TRV.

Instead, your situation calls for a Work Permit (which is generally difficult to get and there are too many hoops to go through first).

How long have you been employed by this employer?
Actually we were just hired this march as this is the first branch in our country. We are the one's who also helped the company to process their documents here in my home country.

Do you own a stake/percentage in the company in your home country?

In some countries, the rules require foreign companies to have a local partner to set up the company. Is this the case here?

Or has the company in your home country been set up as a 100% fully-owned subsidiary of the Canadian company? And, you helped to register this company for a certain remuneration.

Can you provide evidence of either situation?

Did you provide evidence that your employer has selected you because of certain competencies? And no one else can be deputed for this training/planning?

Considering that we are the first employee/contractor of the company, we need to be trained and oriented within the company. We also are going to spearhead the asia-pacific launch. The invitation letter by the company specified that i was to be trained there and for planning.

You need to prove that you are NOT the only employee on board in the company in your home country.

Training (if it is for a niche area of work or specialized technical training) is acceptable.

However, if you are coming to Canada to be trained in how to set-up the local business operations in your home country and/or to learn how to prepare a strategic business plan on how to enter the Asia-Pacific market then it makes your application to look suspicious/raises red flags. And, it does not fit in line with the statements that you will be spearheading the launch in the Asia-Pacific region + that there is indeed an imminent Asia-Pacific launch.

Why? Because senior management who are employed for such roles would already have the experience and knowledge of the local market, the ground realities and are capable of building a business from ground zero upwards.

These senior management do not require the foreign company to guide them for drawing up go-to market and operations strategies. In fact, foreign companies hire such local senior managers precisely because these guys know the market very well as the foreign company may not be fully aware of the intricacies of setting up local business operations + local business practices + market sensibilities, etc etc.

Also, in such situations, typically the company in the local country would already have on board a senior HR director to kick-start the hiring process for employees across levels.

This does not seem to be your professional situation as you are the only employee in your home country.

Also, do you have prior experience/are you selling/buying into the APAC region through the companies owned by you?

Did you demonstrate your professional and personal strong ties to your home country?
I emailed and answered all necessary questions on the documents they sent. Also i sent them the business registration of one of the company i owned here.

It would have helped if you had submitted evidence that the company owned by you is actively trading (i.e. contracts, business bank statements, tax returns, etc and not just the business registration), pays taxes, etc + proof of ownership of property/land/commercial premises + valuation of movable/immovable assets, etc etc