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ultra99

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My brother is a PR and been living in Canada for 3 years now. I want to provide ties to ON, however, his PR card is expired, would that be a problem? Can I provide OOPNP with expired PR card?
I will also include a lease agreement.
 

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Uhh.. If he hasn't got some status here and you're going submitting his expired PR card to CIC and telling them he's still here, you might be about to bring all of CIC down on him...
 

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This is an interesting question.

The fact he has an expired PR card doens't mean he has lost his PR status. At the same time, for OOPNP you need to prove that your relative has valid PR or citizenship. I suspect the expired PR card is going to be a problem. Can he renew it?
 

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Yeah you need to renew PR every 5 years and you get a new PR card. I'm
Assuming if he only has an expired card he didn't renew it.. And if you don't renew it, you lose it.
 

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purplesnow said:
And if you don't renew it, you lose it.
This is actually inaccurate. Failure to renew your PR card doesn't result in the loss of your PR status. This is why I'm saying that it's quite likely his brother's PR status is still valid even though his PR card has expired. However the issue is proving his PR status is still valid. I don't see how he can do this without a valid PR card.
 

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well, he's working and got family here, his kids are in school. They've been here for 2.5 years now, with valid status. He says that PR card is only required if he leaves Canada so can enter again. But he's legally here and he's got his landing papers. Maybe I can just submit his landing papers and current lease agreement.

Renewal takes at least 81 days....so no good for me!
 

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ultra99 said:
well, he's working and got family here, his kids are in school. They've been here for 2.5 years now, with valid status. He says that PR card is only required if he leaves Canada so can enter again. But he's legally here and he's got his landing papers. Maybe I can just submit his landing papers and current lease agreement.

Renewal takes at least 81 days....so no good for me!
You can try the landing papers - however they don't prove that he still has PR status in Canada and it's quite possible this won't be enough. He should start the process of renewing his PR card now. What would happen if he had to leave Canada due to an emergency? Not a good idea to be without a valid PR card. Plus the citizenship residency requirement is going up to 4 years (out of 6) as of tomorrow - so he is still a long way off from being able to apply for citizenship.
 

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scylla said:
You can try the landing papers - however they don't prove that he still has PR status in Canada and it's quite possible this won't be enough. He should start the process of renewing his PR card now. What would happen if he had to leave Canada due to an emergency? Not a good idea to be without a valid PR card. Plus the citizenship residency requirement is going up to 4 years (out of 6) as of tomorrow - so he is still a long way off from being able to apply for citizenship.
So what can I do now? It takes at least 81 days to renew and I need to apply for OOPNP now. I have a sister with a valid PR card in ON, I'll use that, but I still have to declare my brother.
 

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The answer is pretty obvious. If your sister is the one with the valid PR card then she is the one you should primarily list to show ties to Ontario. By all means mention your brother as well. But focus on your sister.
 

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scylla said:
The answer is pretty obvious. If your sister is the one with the valid PR card then she is the one you should primarily list to show ties to Ontario. By all means mention your brother as well. But focus on your sister.
I know that's logical. But the guideline requires me to provide birth certificate, citizenship or PR documentation, and lease agreement. So both siblings should be declared and I should provide the same supporting documents for both, can't really "focus" on one of them. :/
 

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I called OOPNP and they said PR card expiry doesn't mean PR is invalid. I could provide a letter of explanation and provide proof of living in ON.
 

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I have a question in this topic. I have my bro who is on work permit in Canada and he applied for CEC last year and already the decision is approved. He is waiting for his passport request but it will be a while since he gets his PR card. The question is whether I mention this (though he is not a citizen or PR currently) as he will be prospective PR in few months and show my ties to Canada. Will this be considered ? Any thoughts on this....