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What timezone FIA report is in?

I have both CBP(US) and CBSA(Canada) reports.

Canada reports clearly states timezone is in PT. But US reports doesn't say anything. I assumed it will show the time zone of Border crossing Port.

But then I see same entry in CBP report and CBSA report with difference of exactly 3 hours, so i assume FIOA may have report in EST.

But the i see another entry in both reports which have differnce of 0 minutes meaning they are in same time zone.

Now i am lost , how to interpret these reports.
 

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Smile_Canada said:
What timezone FIA report is in?

I have both CBP(US) and CBSA(Canada) reports.

Canada reports clearly states timezone is in PT. But US reports doesn't say anything. I assumed it will show the time zone of Border crossing Port.

But then I see same entry in CBP report and CBSA report with difference of exactly 3 hours, so i assume FIOA may have report in EST.

But the i see another entry in both reports which have differnce of 0 minutes meaning they are in same time zone.

Now i am lost , how to interpret these reports.
Usually CBP FOIA records are in EST.
 

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Another question, Is it possible FOIA report is missing entries.

I can see Entry date and Time in CBSA report, but their is no corresponding entry in CBP report. I am sure it would be some day trip to US. But if FOIA report is not showing entry, how i am going to prove it.
 

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Smile_Canada said:
Another question, Is it possible FOIA report is missing entries.

I can see Entry date and Time in CBSA report, but their is no corresponding entry in CBP report. I am sure it would be some day trip to US. But if FOIA report is not showing entry, how i am going to prove it.
Yes, its possible entries or exits are missing. You can't prove it, except to cite the fact that these reports are not necessarily 100 percent complete or accurate. You can probably find a citation where US CBP admits to that somewhere on the web if you google hard enough.
 

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Smile_Canada said:
Another question, Is it possible FOIA report is missing entries.

I can see Entry date and Time in CBSA report, but their is no corresponding entry in CBP report. I am sure it would be some day trip to US. But if FOIA report is not showing entry, how i am going to prove it.
Try this to see if you can find that entry:

https://i94.cbp.dhs.gov/

This is for non-US citizens.
 

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thecoolguysam said:
Try this to see if you can find that entry:

https://i94.cbp.dhs.gov/

This is for non-US citizens.
I checked both i-94 report and FOIA report, I have about 15 entries that are available in CBSA report and unavailable in CBP report.

I know they are day trips but question still stands how will i be able to justify that they are day trips.

I was hoping once i get my FOIA report, i 'll create summary and send it to expedite the process.

So now should i draft a letter stating that this is summary, declare the missing entries and attach along with FIOA. Or just send the FIOA report and let them figure out.

I feel like i am really in Soup. I have 4 days undeclared in residence calculator in which i came back to canada after Midnight but in reality i was out only for 4-6 hrs which is clearly visible in these 2 reports.
I have 15 entries which doesn't tell when i went out of Canada.

:( :( :( :( :( :( :(
 

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Smile_Canada said:
I checked both i-94 report and FOIA report, I have about 15 entries that are available in CBSA report and unavailable in CBP report.

I know they are day trips but question still stands how will i be able to justify that they are day trips.

I was hoping once i get my FOIA report, i 'll create summary and send it to expedite the process.

So now should i draft a letter stating that this is summary, declare the missing entries and attach along with FIOA. Or just send the FIOA report and let them figure out.

I feel like i am really in Soup. I have 4 days undeclared in residence calculator in which i came back to canada after Midnight but in reality i was out only for 4-6 hrs which is clearly visible in these 2 reports.
I have 15 entries which doesn't tell when i went out of Canada.

:( :( :( :( :( :( :(
I am little confused here.
Do you have FOIA reports with you or not? If not, are you waiting for your FOIA reports?
Are you missing USA entries or exits?

Where do you live? (which province)?
I suppose the entries those were missed for the day trip by car on the land, correct?
When you entered usa, did the USA CBP officer used to scan your visa everytime you entered usa or just looked at i94 and let you go? If your visa sticker was not scanned then your entry might not have been recorded.

In Vancouver, there is a practice of scanning visa sticker everytime the person enters usa.This used to be the scenario when i used to visit USA with my home country passport before becoming Canadian Citizen. The passport was stamped once when i94 was issued.

By any chance do you have nexus card?

Were you given CIT 0171 or CIT0520?

You might notice that your exits on i94 might not be correct as land departures are not always recorded properly.
You can read the FAQs (I-94 FAQ tab) in the following link regarding the same https://i94.cbp.dhs.gov/

The FOIA report will only have entries not exits.
 

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thecoolguysam said:
I am little confused here.
Do you have FOIA reports with you or not? If not, are you waiting for your FOIA reports?
Are you missing USA entries or exits?

Where do you live? (which province)?
I suppose the entries those were missed for the day trip by car on the land, correct?
When you entered usa, did the USA CBP officer used to scan your visa everytime you entered usa or just looked at i94 and let you go? If your visa sticker was not scanned then your entry might not have been recorded.

In Vancouver, there is a practice of scanning visa sticker everytime the person enters usa.This used to be the scenario when i used to visit USA with my home country passport before becoming Canadian Citizen. The passport was stamped once when i94 was issued.

By any chance do you have nexus card?

Were you given CIT 0171 or CIT0520?

You might notice that your exits on i94 might not be correct as land departures are not always recorded properly.
You can read the FAQs (I-94 FAQ tab) in the following link regarding the same https://i94.cbp.dhs.gov/

The FOIA report will only have entries not exits.
I have received both my FOIA and CBSA report, and i was checking both the report to match my entry and exit. So i found that their are couple entries missing in US report.

I live in Vancouver BC, and travel too frequently by land border which i regret now. They have put stamp once every 6 mnths while issuing i-94. Rest of time they used to scan passport.

I have nexus, and missing entries are before my nexus time in 2012/13

I was issued CIT520 during test to provide entry/exit report for US. I have already sent i-94 report 2 months ago.

I am working full time professional job here from day 1. I have my own house, one of my kid is born here, other one goes to school full time. I don't understand why CIC is giving me hard time.
 

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thecoolguysam said:
The FOIA report will only have entries not exits.
I know FOIA have entiries to US only
and CBSA ahave entries to Canada only.

So I have simplified and combined both reports in excel and found my entries are like below(just an example)
USA entry Canada Entry
7-jan-2012 10.00 am 7-jan-2012 5.00 pm
MISSING 10-Jan-2012 5.00 PM
15-Jan-2012 10.00 am 15-Jan-2012 5.00 PM


So now it could mean i could have entered US any of days on 7/8/9/10 jan 2012. How i am going to challenge that.
 

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In your previous posts, you stated that you have missing 15 entries? Is that 15 or just couple?

Try to check your credit card statements/cellphone bills for the entry which shows up on canada side and which is missing on USA side to see if you can remember if it was a day trip or what.

I think you applied under 3/4 rule so did you apply around 1095 days of physical presence or you gave buffer?


Also, you have mentioned that you have undeclared entries in residence calculator. If you came after 12 am midnight then it should have been counted as 1 day not same day and that might be affecting your residency days(physical presence days)
 

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thecoolguysam said:
In your previous posts, you stated that you have missing 15 entries? Is that 15 or just couple?

Try to check your credit card statements/cellphone bills for the entry which shows up on canada side and which is missing on USA side to see if you can remember if it was a day trip or what.

I think you applied under 3/4 rule so did you apply around 1095 days of physical presence or you gave buffer?


Also, you have mentioned that you have undeclared entries in residence calculator. If you came after 12 am midnight then it should have been counted as 1 day not same day and that might be affecting your residency days(physical presence days)
i am missing 15 to be exact.
i don't have much buffer, i applied with 1103 days. and i didn't declared after midnight entries, to be honest i didn't knew how many times i entered after midnight till i got my FIOA and CBSA reports. As for me they were day trips only.

An update, i received my ATIP today.
It says: Complex - referred to PM-03 to review due to extensive travel to USA and low number of days claimed for residency

Also it says
Knowledge: Passed
Language : Passed
Prohibition: Passed
Criminality: Passed
Residence: In Progress
Oath: Not started

Paper File Location: Surrey Complex cases

Now i am going to send my FIOA report this weekend, but my question stands still , what should i do?

Option 1: i draft a letter stating the missing entries, undeclared entries and try to give simple explanation around it.
Option2: just send FIOA and let them figure out and come back to me asking questions.

Its like should i hold my right year from right side, so twist my arm and try to hold right ear from the left side. :(

By choosing option 1, will i be digging my own grave or will it be clear my track of any more hurdles.

Thanks for your responses thecoolguysam.
 

thecoolguysam

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Smile_Canada said:
i am missing 15 to be exact.
i don't have much buffer, i applied with 1103 days. and i didn't declared after midnight entries, to be honest i didn't knew how many times i entered after midnight till i got my FIOA and CBSA reports. As for me they were day trips only.

An update, i received my ATIP today.
It says: Complex - referred to PM-03 to review due to extensive travel to USA and low number of days claimed for residency

Also it says
Knowledge: Passed
Language : Passed
Prohibition: Passed
Criminality: Passed
Residence: In Progress
Oath: Not started

Paper File Location: Surrey Complex cases

Now i am going to send my FIOA report this weekend, but my question stands still , what should i do?

Option 1: i draft a letter stating the missing entries, undeclared entries and try to give simple explanation around it.
Option2: just send FIOA and let them figure out and come back to me asking questions.

Its like should i hold my right year from right side, so twist my arm and try to hold right ear from the left side. :(

By choosing option 1, will i be digging my own grave or will it be clear my track of any more hurdles.

Thanks for your responses thecoolguysam.
You are the best judge to decide what you need to do. Think about it twice or many times for choosing either of the option 1 or option 2.

Also, I would recommend/suggest everyone to apply with lots of extra buffer (in addition to physical presence days) so that if such situations occur as like yours then the extra buffer might additionally help/benefit your physical presence days which can increase the number of physical presence days.

My best wishes with you and I wish you speedy processing of your citizenship application.
 

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Seriously, look online and try to find a statement from US CBP that their reports might not be complete. Its there. I have seen it. Send that to CIC. CBSA records might not complete either, especially if you entered at a small land border prior to June 2013.