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Question from an American about Russian women and Canadian visas

YankeeTourist

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Hello from a neighbor south of the border! (USA/Canada border, that is!)

My girlfriend is Russian and I am an American living in Pennsylvania. She could not get a USA tourist visa last year, so we meet in different places around the world every few months. She's divorced and 35, no children. She owns her own business (nail/beauty salon) including the office it is in, has money in the bank and a car. She has been doing a lot of property improvements to her business in the past year and can document that She also has very extensive worldwide travel. Before we met she had been to China, Turkey, Bulgaria, Dubhai, Thailand, and Egypt. In the past year she has had three Schengen visas and has been to Italy, Germany, the Czech Republic, Spain, France, and Mexico. Only Italy, Germany and France show the stamps though.

It seems that in the USA, with rare exceptions if you are an unmarried Russian woman applying for a visa they don't even look at your file and deny you for "lack of ties." We thought she would get a visa because of the things in her favor, and she was going to stay with a mutual friend while she was in the states so I was not even listed on the application. They did not ask her about an American boyfriend... three quick questions and a denial at her interview, which lasted about 2 minutes. They just asked who was paying, why she was coming and if she had children. We are not going to try again until we are ready for a fiancee' visa.

I understand that the Canadian process is also very tough for unmarried Russian women, but there are some differences in the Canadian process that make me think she may be able to get a Canada visa so we can take our next trip together there. The process seems easier. VFS handles the paperwork and there is no interview. Canada also allows you to make more of a case for yourself. In the USA, you can't submit an itinerary, accommodation bookings or a ticket with a return flight for their consideration. In Canada, you can. She also doesn't know a soul in Canada and it would purely be tourism, not to visit to any Canadian or anyone living in Canada. She does not know anyone there. She's just going to meet another foreigner in Canada, be a tourist for a week, then fly home. I can drive to Toronto from my home in about five hours. She could fly into Toronto, I pick her up at the airport and we can see Niagara Falls, Toronto, and Montreal in the week we are there, then she would fly home.

So, as you can see, rather than meet in Europe again I am thinking about her trying for the Canadian visa. We will submit purchased (refundable) round-trip tickets and a detailed itinerary for our trip including confirmed hotel bookings in Toronto and Montreal. I used to date someone from North York, ON so I know pretty well what we will do while we are there and can submit a very good itinerary. I am hoping that with such a strong show of previous foreign travel and always returning home, the business ties to her home, the itinerary/bookings, and complete lack of ties to Canada, etc will be enough to convince the VO she is just a tourist and issue her a visa.

Given her passport full of foreign travel visas and stamps and her business, I really would hope she would have a chance! Am I crazy, is it worth even trying or do this, or do they just blanket-deny Russian women?

Any advice or comments would be welcome.
 

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YankeeTourist said:
Hello from a neighbor south of the border! (USA/Canada border, that is!)

My girlfriend is Russian and I am an American living in Pennsylvania. She could not get a USA tourist visa last year, so we meet in different places around the world every few months. She's divorced and 35, no children. She owns her own business (nail/beauty salon) including the office it is in, has money in the bank and a car. She has been doing a lot of property improvements to her business in the past year and can document that She also has very extensive worldwide travel. Before we met she had been to China, Turkey, Bulgaria, Dubhai, Thailand, and Egypt. In the past year she has had three Schengen visas and has been to Italy, Germany, the Czech Republic, Spain, France, and Mexico. Only Italy, Germany and France show the stamps though.

It seems that in the USA, with rare exceptions if you are an unmarried Russian woman applying for a visa they don't even look at your file and deny you for "lack of ties." We thought she would get a visa because of the things in her favor, and she was going to stay with a mutual friend while she was in the states so I was not even listed on the application. They did not ask her about an American boyfriend... three quick questions and a denial at her interview, which lasted about 2 minutes. They just asked who was paying, why she was coming and if she had children. We are not going to try again until we are ready for a fiancee' visa.

I understand that the Canadian process is also very tough for unmarried Russian women, but there are some differences in the Canadian process that make me think she may be able to get a Canada visa so we can take our next trip together there. The process seems easier. VFS handles the paperwork and there is no interview. Canada also allows you to make more of a case for yourself. In the USA, you can't submit an itinerary, accommodation bookings or a ticket with a return flight for their consideration. In Canada, you can. She also doesn't know a soul in Canada and it would purely be tourism, not to visit to any Canadian or anyone living in Canada. She does not know anyone there. She's just going to meet another foreigner in Canada, be a tourist for a week, then fly home. I can drive to Toronto from my home in about five hours. She could fly into Toronto, I pick her up at the airport and we can see Niagara Falls, Toronto, and Montreal in the week we are there, then she would fly home.

So, as you can see, rather than meet in Europe again I am thinking about her trying for the Canadian visa. We will submit purchased (refundable) round-trip tickets and a detailed itinerary for our trip including confirmed hotel bookings in Toronto and Montreal. I used to date someone from North York, ON so I know pretty well what we will do while we are there and can submit a very good itinerary. I am hoping that with such a strong show of previous foreign travel and always returning home, the business ties to her home, the itinerary/bookings, and complete lack of ties to Canada, etc will be enough to convince the VO she is just a tourist and issue her a visa.

Given her passport full of foreign travel visas and stamps and her business, I really would hope she would have a chance! Am I crazy, is it worth even trying or do this, or do they just blanket-deny Russian women?

Any advice or comments would be welcome.
By your post I would asume that by American you mean US citizen.

I don't quite get why you think russian women are a special issue. I work with two russian single women, very talented persons. Also I have personally known several single russian women travelling around in Canada.... maybe in the USA it is different....

Anyway, from your post I think that she has a very good chance of getting a TRV. She will have to submit airtickets, hotel bookings, proof of her business and anything that shows she has strong ties (all her business paperwork and travel history seems quite strong to me). I would pay special attention to the purpose of visit. She has been denied US visa so that could be an issue is CIC makes the connection that as she has not been able to get to the USA now she plans to use Canada as a bridge country. Make a good case on why Canada (I would think the key to the TRV is here) and why she is travelling alone. Maybe both of you can book in the same hotels on the same dates and show that as a proof of the trip.

Good luck!
 

YankeeTourist

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Yes, US Citizen. It is almost impossible here for a single Russian woman to get a visa.

There are no marks on her passport that say she was denied for a US tourist visa. Does Canada cross-reference the US system, to see she has a denial here?

You said, "I would pay special attention to the purpose of visit. She has been denied US visa so that could be an issue is CIC makes the connection that as she has not been able to get to the USA now she plans to use Canada as a bridge country. Make a good case on why Canada (I would think the key to the TRV is here) and why she is travelling alone. Maybe both of you can book in the same hotels on the same dates and show that as a proof of the trip."

So, you are suggesting I put both of our names on the hotel reservations? Should she put in the application than an American is meeting her to experience Canada together? I know what you mean about a bridge country, and thought this may be a concern. We aren't going to be breaking any laws, Canadian, US or otherwise, and I will have a very detailed itinerary up until she gets on the flight back to Russia.

Canada is beautiful and another new place in North America. Not sure what to put as for "Why Canada." Part of it is, she has been almost everywhere else!
 

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When she applies for the TRV, she will have to mention the US refusal. There is a specific question about this in the TRV application. And yes - the US and Canada share records. Failure to answer this question truthfully will result in a refusal of the TRV application - and most likely a misrepresentation finding and a 5 year ban from Canada.

Yes - it's possible the US refusal will work against her for the TRV.
 

Jalex23

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YankeeTourist said:
So, you are suggesting I put both of our names on the hotel reservations? Should she put in the application that a US Citizen is meeting her to experience Canada together? I know what you mean about a bridge country, and thought this may be a concern.
Yes. I would be honest with CIC. This makes the application a lot more solid. Two persons travelling together, you have been here and you suggested the country. I see this as a very good explanation on why Canada.

YankeeTourist said:
We aren't going to be breaking any laws, Canadian, US or otherwise,
You have to convince CIC of that. A TRV is requested because it is assumed that all citizens of that country want to illegaly immigrate unless proven otherwise.


YankeeTourist said:
Canada is beautiful and another new place in North America. Not sure what to put as for "Why Canada." Part of it is, she has been almost everywhere else!
That could be a reason.

There has to be a solid reason why you are chosing Canada; answering "why not?" is a very weak reason.

For example: "I chose Canada because a popstar concert is being held there and they won't be visiting my country".... "I chose Canada because Niagara Falls are a world wide known landmark which me and my bf would love to experience".... etc.
 

on-hold

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Based on my experience, I think you screwed up with her first application to the US. I was in the same situation once, with a woman from a country just as unpopular as Russia with the visa officers. I had very few assets, she had none, we wanted a tourist visa for her to visit my family. We explained all that to the visa officer, I explained that I wanted my family to meet her, and we got a visa. It helped that I was there.

We could easily have been refused -- but if we were, we would have had the truth in my wife's immigration file. Now, in the future, you are going to have to explain how you met your fiance in the months or years since this application was refused -- they're going to wonder what was going on in that application where you concealed your relationship.

As for Canada, who knows? As someone else points out, you're going to need an explanation for what was going on with the US refusal.
 

YankeeTourist

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It actually works a lot different in the USA system. No one is allow to attend an interview with the applicant, just the applicant, and letters, explanations, etc. do not help. Buying a plane ticket beforehand actually HURTS your chances as they feel you are trying to force their hand. They asked where she was staying on the application, and she listed it, and no other questions were asked about anyone else in the USA, either in person or on the application. She was going to stay with the Russian teacher (mutual friend) because she was not comfortable staying with me until we knew each other really well. We have used separate hotel rooms until out fourth visit. I can document all this and we won't be concealing or hiding anything. She was ready to answer any questions about me or anyone else in the USA and would have done so truthfully, but they never even came. It seems in the US system they make the decisions before they even have the interview- it is a formality.

At any rate, I don't think I am going to bother with the Canadian visa, as much as I would love to visit myself and show her around. I love Canada and have been aching to go back to Toronto and Montreal! It's just too much of a hassle to get visas to the US And Canada and the odds are too low, and frustration great. We will just go back to Europe, and wait for her fiancee' visa before we try again. I don't even know if we will get to that point... we have only known each other a year and I am not sure where we will end up, but for now we want to continue to see each other.