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Question about sponsorship.

Ferirosha

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Decoy24601 said:
The CIC agent wasn't wrong, but it's a little more complicated than s/he said. You have two options. Both ways you should say you are visiting your fiance, because that's the truth. Do not mention money or whether he will be supporting you unless asked. If you really don't have any funds of your own then you could try to have your fiance write you a letter saying he will support all of your needs while you are in Canada with some bank statements showing proof that he has the funds. If you're asked, you could try to prevent that as evidence. Some CBSA officers are fine with this, since the first time I visited my husband back when we were dating I said I was visiting for 3 months. This officer didn't ask about money, only whether or not my boyfriend had a job and where he worked etc. The other CBSA officer I dealt with a few months later wasn't so fond of this. It really depends.

Option 1: Say you would like to visit your fiance and that you will be applying for PR while you are there and would like to visit during that time and ask for the full 6 months. This is riskier, since you haven't actually applied yet and don't have any proof of ties.

Option 2: Say you are "planning" on visiting your fiance for, let's say, 3 weeks or so (pick a timeline and have a return ticket. Plans can change, right?). If they ask about a PR application then tell them and be honest, this will likely just work in your favor. If they ask you about proof of funds, this is where you could have proof that your fiance will support you and see if they accept it. Having a PR application shows CBSA officers that you do intend to immigrate legally, so don't be worried if they ask. Answer honestly. I'd say this option is the safest one.

Being visa-exempt doesn't mean you won't be pulled in for a secondary inspection, so it's best to be prepared for that. What you plan on bringing is fine. I would suggest not bringing any food. You'll have to declare this and trying to bring food into Canada tends to be more hassle than it's worth (that's my opinion). You still can, since it's a treat for your fiance and I get that, just make sure you declare it.

This really boils down to the individual CBSA officer and their mood and how they normally handle this sort of situation. One officer might not question you at all, while another will and then refuse you entry. If this happens it won't negatively affect your PR application even though it's not a pleasant experience. You can always try to visit again.

Edit: By proof of ties to your home country I mean proof of a job/property/lease/utility bills/etc. Things to show as proof that you live in your home country and are obligated to return.
Darn, I was hoping that it wouldn't come down to my 'luck', since I'd be really unlucky to bump into someone that's had a bad day.
I'm just afraid of denying entry, as it'll be 2500$ down the drain immediately. For me, that's a huge amount of money that I've saved, only to be poured down the drain in an instant even though my intentions weren't bad.

I've looked at what foods are prohibited, and I know that snacks such as chocolate and biscuits are fine, but others such as beef jerky are not. Luckily, the only things that he wanted are some NZ branded chocolates, and that's about it. No drinks, meat, plants/vegetables or anything.

I was hoping to just enter and tell them I'm visiting my fiance for 2 weeks, since my return ticket is scheduled for 2 weeks. However, I wanted to get around that and be issued a longer visit pass. At least 1+ month so that I could apply for an extension.

I currently rent a small room in NZ. Pretty much the only thing that I could have as proof would be bank statements with address stated on it. Would that be fine? Since I pay the landlord, and not actual bills from water/electricity companies since the landlord gets the letters, not me.

As Milesaway stated in the first reply, he said that showing up with my belongings and no money is a good way to be sent back home. So right now I'm basically going to try the "I'm visiting for 2 weeks" plan, tell them my fiance is going to support me if they ask that question (the website says that they'll ask me how much money I have, to which I'd have to answer none at hand. This usually leads to another question, "how will you support yourself", right? Then I'll have to say that my fiance will support me.)
Then hope to get at least 1 month+ for visitor's pass, and then go ahead and extend it and go from there in terms of sponsorship.

This whole thing is so complicating. I thought being completely honest is best to go, although I won't lie to the officers, I basically have to tell the borders that I'm visiting, hope that I get someone whose not in a bad mood, get past border, and then apply for sponsorship? Am I getting it right?

I guess the biggest issue now is how would I get a 1 month+ visitor's pass? I've read that normally they would issue you with a 6 month pass, which is best for me, but seeing as how I have a return for 2 weeks later, would they shorten it to only 2 weeks? That would be really bad for me, unless if I could somehow speed up the extension process.
(I'm sorry for asking so many questions. I'm just really nervous and I want the best chances of getting in, since I really don't want to waste 2500$ for no reason.)
 

Decoy24601

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Since you are visa-exempt, the most likely scenario is that they let you into Canada without a stamp in your passport (automatic 6 months of entry) or stamp your passport with an entry date (automatic 6 months of entry). You will likely get 6 months if you're let in, very likely. You won't have to renew your visitor status until that is about to end, which is easy if you have a PR application in process. Even if you are only given 2 weeks I believe you can still submit a visitor status extension ASAP. As long as CIC receives your application before your status expires you will be on implied status. There are still options just in case you are for some reason given a short amount of time to be in Canada.

I've never had a stamp in my passport and both times that I have entered Canada I have been given an automatic 6 months of entry (except for the time I was given a voluntary withdrawal after 3 days of actually being allowed into Canada, so that's a whole other story).

You could have your landlord write a letter stating that you live there and pay "x" amount of money every month. Bank statements showing your address and that you have an income would be beneficial too. Again, there's a good chance you won't need to show this, but it's always better to have it in case you're asked. I know how complicated visiting Canada can be if you have a family member (spouse/boyfriend/fiance) here. I was actually given advice by some people here in Canada and Canadians in the US to be as vague as possible when entering Canada and say you're visiting a "friend", which is a no-no. In fact, this makes CBSA officers (and American officers) more suspicious. There's actually a reality TV show called Canada's Front Line, or something like that. I just started watching it today and that combined with my own experiences has given me a lot of insight into what CBSA officers look for. I'm also a naturally nervous person around authority figures (anyone I don't know really), so I'm sure that makes officers suspicious when I cross even though I have nothing to hide. Also, make sure you memorize your fiance's address and phone number. I know that sounds silly and seems like something you should know anyways, but the one time I was given a voluntary withdrawal I didn't know my husband's (then boyfriend's) phone number and address by heart since I relied on my cellphone too much and the CBSA officer was very suspicious of that.

It's no problem. I've asked many similar questions on here. This forum is a great resource. Feel free to keep asking any questions you have in the future.

Edit: I also find CBSA officers tend to be less suspicious of you if you look like you at least have some money and live well. I make sure that I don't dress sloppily when crossing the border. Demeanor and general appearance are some of the things they look for, I think. If you're stressed or nervous, they see that. If you're in a good mood, but not oddly cheerful, they see that. Canadianwoman made a good point, act like a visitor and you shouldn't have any issues. These are just some tips that I find helpful to keep in mind.
 

canadianwoman

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Even if your return ticket is for two weeks, they may well just let you in, which means you have 6 months. They don't usually limit your stay to exactly the return ticket date, unless they are suspicious. For example, when I went to the USA for a job interview, I had a return ticket for two days later, but they gave me 6 months.

Just try to act like a regular tourist. You are not being dishonest - you really are just visiting Canada.
 

Ferirosha

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Thank you both for the replies. :)

I may have some money, but not a lot. I don't know if a couple hundred would be helpful or not, but definitely would be better than no money I assume? Unless if they expect you to have a couple thousand on hand, which would be really hard for me to do.

I'm more relieved now. So I think I'll go with the plan of telling them I'm visiting my fiance, since it's not a lie at all. From the Canadian border reality TV I've watched before, they seem to ask for your device and check your chat logs. That feels like invading privacy for sure, and I'm not really comfortable about that..

I suppose that dressing well rather than dressing as if you're broke is better. Although I had planned to go in a dress with stockings, boots and a jacket. Not really the most formal I don't think..
 

Decoy24601

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Ferirosha said:
Thank you both for the replies. :)

I may have some money, but not a lot. I don't know if a couple hundred would be helpful or not, but definitely would be better than no money I assume? Unless if they expect you to have a couple thousand on hand, which would be really hard for me to do.

I'm more relieved now. So I think I'll go with the plan of telling them I'm visiting my fiance, since it's not a lie at all. From the Canadian border reality TV I've watched before, they seem to ask for your device and check your chat logs. That feels like invading privacy for sure, and I'm not really comfortable about that..

I suppose that dressing well rather than dressing as if you're broke is better. Although I had planned to go in a dress with stockings, boots and a jacket. Not really the most formal I don't think..
It doesn't have to be formal, but if you try to cross with clothes that look like they are very worn and need to be thrown out soon the officer might be a little wary.

They can check your phone or other devices for chat logs and texts if they believe you are lying about anything. I haven't had this happen and the time I was in a secondary when I was given a voluntary withdrawal I even took my phone out to tell her my husband's phone number and she didn't ask to see my phone or anything. I've heard of this happening on here, but I think the chances of that happening are fairly low. When I crossed by train I was taken into a secondary and they x-rayed my checked bag. Nothing was wrong of course, but they of course have the right to search your belongings. They didn't do anything past x-raying my bag. This was also one of my smoother crossings. The officers I dealt with were never rude and one was even friendly. As long as you're telling the truth they don't have much of a reason to do any of that. It's only when they suspect you're lying that they fully search your belongings. I think you'll be fine. Just tell the truth always. If they ever catch you lying it could cause serious issues for you. I'm still dumbfounded why so many people are under the impression as to why it's necessary to lie when entering Canada or any other country for that matter.

Some money is better than no money, but if you can include a letter of support from your fiance with proof of his funds as well. It's good to have the extra proof you'll be able to support yourself, because that's one of their main concerns. Their goal is to discern if you will end up causing an issue for Canada, such as overstaying, working/studying illegally, being a physical threat, or ending up living off of welfare. They appreciate honesty and full cooperation for alleviating their concerns, if they have any.

I don't think you'll have much of an issue. Just be honest and act like a visitor and act calmly and naturally. The last time I crossed I had a folder full of proof of my ties to the U.S. and proof of funds to support myself and proof of my PR application. They didn't ask to see any of it.

Edit: I also just want to make it clear that I don't mean to imply any of this actually will happen to you. It's just a possibility and I find it best to be prepared. This is the kind of information that helps me be a lot less nervous myself.
 

volkov

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$200 is not much, maybe your fiance can wire you some money you can bring? or at the very least tell them you are using your credit card/bank card for expenses. Not many people go to a different country on a holiday with only $200, it doesn't look realistic