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PRTD was rejected and I appealed

Samkangethe

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Hi Guys

I have two questions

1) My PRTD was rejected and i intend to hire an immigration lawyer to appeal. Can I enter through the land border?

2) If I enter through the land border, can my kids use visitors visa?

Thanks, Sam
 

Bs65

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You need to clarify why the PRTD was rejected, did you fail the residency obligation ? Sure you can try entering through the land border with an expired card or a COPR but if you have failed the RO and that was the reason for the PRTD rejection the odds are high to be reported and have PR revoked. As a PR you would still be entitled to enter the country pending appeal

Are your kids PRs if so they cannot apply for visas. If not PRs then if they have valid visit visa then sure they can enter through land border or even fly to Canada . How long your kids would be given to stay as visitors would depend on your status or your spouses status assuming they are in Canada or are entering same time with no residency issues.
 
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Samkangethe

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More clarification 1) PRTD was rejected because of RO issues, we didnt travel back to Canada after 1st visit... ... 1) 2 kids have COPR and they never landed to get the PR card. My other 2 kids were born later so no PR. 2) My spouse has same issue as her PRTD was also rejected and she intends to appeal.
You need to clarify why the PRTD was rejected, did you fail the residency obligation ? Sure you can try entering through the land border with an expired card or a COPR but if you have failed the RO and that was the reason for the PRTD rejection the odds are high to be reported and have PR revoked. As a PR you would still be entitled to enter the country pending appeal

Are your kids PRs if so they cannot apply for visas. If not PRs then if they have valid visit visa then sure they can enter through land border or even fly to Canada . How long your kids would be given to stay as visitors would depend on your status or your spouses status assuming they are in Canada or are entering same time with no residency issues.
 

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More clarification 1) PRTD was rejected because of RO issues, we didnt travel back to Canada after 1st visit... ... 1) 2 kids have COPR and they never landed to get the PR card. My other 2 kids were born later so no PR. 2) My spouse has same issue as her PRTD was also rejected and she intends to appeal.
1. Yes - you can try entering through a land border. However this won't change anything with regards to your appeal. When were you last in Canada? On what grounds are you appealing?

2. Yes - if your kids can obtain a TRV they can travel to Canada on that visa. You should anticipate that the TRVs will be refused.
 

Buletruck

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If they already have a TRV, you may also find they are refused entry at the border if you try to enter from the US. While you can enter Canada, your children have no such entitlement regardless of your status.
 

dpenabill

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1) My PRTD was rejected and i intend to hire an immigration lawyer to appeal. Can I enter through the land border?
Responses from other forum participants mostly cover this.

Some further clarifications:

Canadian Permanent Residents are statutorily entitled to enter Canada, so if a PR can reach a Canadian PoE (Port of Entry), the PR will be allowed to enter Canada.

A Canadian PR who has been denied a PR Travel Document on the grounds the PR is inadmissible, due to a breach of the PR Residency Obligation, continues to be a PR for at least 60 days, and if the PR timely files an appeal, the individual retains status for as long as the appeal is pending.

To be clear, the denial of the PR TD application constitutes a formal adjudication that your PR status is terminated. Since the PR has a right of appeal, this decision does not take effect for at least sixty days (the time within which the PR can make an appeal). If the PR appeals, the decision does not take effect while the appeal is pending. It will nonetheless constitute the formal determination that PR is lost, that is terminated, UNLESS the PR has that decision set aside or overruled in the course of the appeal.


Individuals who have been issued a PR visa and CoPR BUT did not actually land and become a PR (within the time required; that is, prior to the date the PR visa expired) are, of course, NOT PRs. They are simply a FN (Foreign National).

While I do not follow FN issues much, including prospects for obtaining a TRV, I do NOT share the view that children in this situation (not PRs) will definitely be denied a TRV (and I'd note that if somehow they have a valid TRV, the odds they would be denied entry at a land PoE is unlikely). The possible availability of some temporary status for the children is something you can discuss further with your lawyer once you lawyer-up.


Sure you can try entering through the land border with an expired card or a COPR but if you have failed the RO and that was the reason for the PRTD rejection the odds are high to be reported and have PR revoked.
For clarity, this is NOT the procedure for PRs who have been denied a PR TD.

See Operational Manuals ENF 01 Inadmissibility; ENF 02 Evaluating Inadmissibility; ENF 04 Port of Entry Examinations; and ENF 05 Writing 44(1) Reports (for links to these see https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals.html except it appears that ENF 02 is no longer is linked at this IRCC site; archived versions should be available on the Internet).

Ordinarily (assuming the usual procedure is followed) PRs who have been denied a PR TD due to a breach of the PR Residency Obligation will be allowed entry at a Canadian PoE without being further reported or issued a Departure Order. They have already been issued a decision terminating their PR status (the Visa Office decision denying a PR TD). Of course this only applies if they are in fact still a PR . . . that is, if they arrive at the PoE within sixty days of the Visa Office decision, or they have made an appeal and the appeal is still pending. Otherwise the decision that the PR has lost PR status has taken effect and the individual is NOT a PR but rather a FN (and will be denied entry unless they are eligible to be allowed into Canada as a FN, such as they are a FN from a visa exempt country eligible to enter Canada with visitor status).

As noted before (and often in other topics), the Visa Office decision terminating the individual's PR status does not take effect for sixty days, or if an appeal is filed, as long as the appeal is pending.

In any event, the situation is comparable to a PR who has been issued a 44(1) Report and Departure Order who has appealed . . . that PR can still come and go, and will not be again Reported upon next arrival at a PoE, as long as the appeal is pending. That is, individuals are not issued multiple 44(1) Reports pending an appeal.

For further clarification note the additional procedural difference for PRs appealing a PoE Report and Departure Order VERSUS PRs appealing a Visa Office decision denying a PR TD. When a PR issued a 44(1) Report and Departure Order loses the appeal (that is when the appeal is dismissed), the originally issued Departure Order becomes enforceable. In contrast, when a PR loses an appeal (again, when the appeal is dismissed) of a Visa Office decision that the PR has lost their status (that is, the decision to deny the PR TD), Section 69(3) IRPA prescribes that upon dismissal of the appeal, the IAD is to "make a removal order" (there is NO comparable provision for when the IAD dismisses a PR's appeal of the PoE Report since, again, the Departure or Removal Order has already been issued, and it becomes enforceable when the appeal is dismissed).

That said, upon arrival at a PoE there may be a Secondary Examination of the PR who has been denied a PR TD, pursuant to which specific information will be requested to assure IRCC has contact information for the individual, and the individual may also be cautioned about the process, especially if it is still within sixty days of the Visa Office decision and no appeal has yet been filed. Including a caution that if no appeal is filed the individual needs to TIMELY leave Canada; a caution that the individual will be a FN without status when the time for making an appeal has passed if no appeal has been made. Note, for example, for the individual who arrives at the PoE within 60 days and has not filed an appeal, it is possible for the individual to enter Canada and then NOT file an appeal . . . in which event, in the meantime, the Visa Office decision that PR status is lost takes effect, and if the individual remains in Canada after that, the individual is in Canada without status.
 

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Seems like you have 4 children who don't have PR. Your first two children never landed so their COPR won't be helpful. Not sure what your grounds are for not meeting your RO but seems like you have been out of Canada for quite some time. Would anticipate getting a TRV for 4 children would be challenging.
 

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The reason why TRV / ETA of children will be most likely denied is the current status of their parents - being PR / appealing the decision to loose PR. That means that they want to stay in Canada. Which means that children would not have attachment to their home country as opposed to Canada.

Upon arriving to the USA border (while parents are still PR or the appeal is running), they can technically force them out. How? Sure they have to grant access to parents but the same does not go for children. Which means that at least one of the parents has to stay behind.

So that is the worst case scenario when it comes entering Canada.
 

Sricand

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Hi Guys

I have two questions

1) My PRTD was rejected and i intend to hire an immigration lawyer to appeal. Can I enter through the land border?

2) If I enter through the land border, can my kids use visitors visa?

Thanks, Sam
Hi Sam. Any updates on your situation. Were you able to cross the land border into Canada with an expired PR card and a rejected PRTD?