proof of relationship

[sha0483]

Hi,

Sorry to ask.
We're on the process of answering our application.
Anyone who can help me please how to go about organizing or how to's regarding proof of relationship such as photos etc.
Also about calls, we use Skype and Facebook for chats.
Do we need to print all of those conversations? do we also translate it as it's not in English language?


Thanks

 

[lokyy]

Some people send more evidence than others because of many factors,,where does your spouse come from? how long have you been together? do you have children together?

I believe the more evidence you send the better,,better to send more than to be requested evidence because you sent less or not enough...

 

[MizAngel]

I believe you have to translate it into English if it is not already.

You do not have to print out your entire Skype or Facebook conversations, but you should print out portions of it. Some people did one page per month of their relationship. My husband and I did about 5 or 6 pages, but he's American so we didn't have as much pressure to prove our relationship. We showed things like us talking about the future and how much we wanted to be with each other. We also included photos and his and my airline ticket receipts to prove that we did travel to meet each other multiple times.

 

[handsup]

there are questions regarding proof of relationship like when you 1st time met with you spouse the date and venue etc
if you had some trios you would have the pics of those events

if you guys have communicated via phone/cell; then you may attach the call history by asking your network provider for that

skype/msn/gtalk/viber/whatsapp/yahoo etc does not need any translation because they do not want to know what you guys were discussing; all they need to know is that Yes you are REAL and ve been in touch from long time.

to attach the proof of relationship there are following things we did:

Snaps:
We wrote date, answer sheet number, event and people on the pic at back of each pic.

Chats/Email:

Took screenshots of the chats(only few that may show date header) and the Emails header from email Inbox and attached the printouts of them by writing A cover letter on each Sheet/Snaps about that,

Call History:
Cover Letter on the Call logs


Put a cover letter on extra proofs of relationship and bind them with a paper clip

we used different colors of paper clips and and Tags colors to distinguish each answer sheet/proof from another

COVER LETTER is a big help in this

 

[Souricette]

How do you know Facebook, Skype conversations doesn't need translation? I've seen a lot of people answering yes, it has to be translated.

I've decided to translate my Facebook conversation. I kept 1 or 2 pages for every day (but it is because we used Facebook just in the first months, after that we started using almonst only Skype). I think I will send about 200-300 pages of Facebook. After that, I don't know, maybe 200 pages of Skype printscreen.

Also it really depends on our situation. In my case, I have a couple of "red flags" (Bf from poor country, not knowing each other for long time)

I suggest you make a list of you're "good points" and "red flags" and make sure that your proofs really shows you're good points and adress your red flags.

Keep in mind that a real relationship for CIC is:
- A permanent relationship
- Emotionaly and financially dependent relationship
- A socially regnonized relationship
- A relationship with serious commitment of each person
- An exclusive relationship
- A relationship with sexual intimity

So you want CIC agent to be able to see those things in your aplication. But, has said before, if you're sponsoring someone from US, knowing each other since 10 years and have kids together it is not necessary to prove it so much.

Good luck!

 

[Kayaker]

In our case, we provided about 20 pages of Facebook chats. However, we attached a note saying that the entire conversation on Facebook chat alone exceeds 8600 pages. We wrote that we can provide those 8600 pages if they want. Obviously, they did not ask for them

Just select the "best of" chats and emails, showing you two discussing your relationship, your feelings for each other, and your future. Don't include the daily mundane things talking about what you did that day, what was your dinner like, etc. You could also select a chat for every month, or two weeks, to prove ongoing communication. If you're only sending a few dozen pages, it's probably not too hard for you to translate the most important parts.

A picture is worth a thousand words, so put more work into selecting a variety of photos taken at different times, in different places, and with different people. We also printed about 20 pages of facebook screenshots with posted photos and status updates to show that all our friends knew about our relationship.

We got back all the relationship proofs we sent. The photos and screenshots of Facebook looked rough around the edges, probably they looked at all the pages. They might have shuffled through the receipts and copies of passport stamps. Our chats on whatsapp, skype, skype call logs, emails, facebook chat, seemed untouched. They were in the same clip we sent them in. We also sent 100+ pages of copies of our handwritten letters. I don't think they touched them, either.

 

[handsup]

How do you know Facebook, Skype conversations doesn't need translation? I've seen a lot of people answering yes, it has to be translated.

I've decided to translate my Facebook conversation. I kept 1 or 2 pages for every day (but it is because we used Facebook just in the first months, after that we started using almonst only Skype). I think I will send about 200-300 pages of Facebook. After that, I don't know, maybe 200 pages of Skype printscreen.

Also it really depends on our situation. In my case, I have a couple of "red flags" (Bf from poor country, not knowing each other for long time)

I suggest you make a list of you're "good points" and "red flags" and make sure that your proofs really shows you're good points and adress your red flags.

Keep in mind that a real relationship for CIC is:
- A permanent relationship
- Emotionaly and financially dependent relationship
- A socially regnonized relationship
- A relationship with serious commitment of each person
- An exclusive relationship
- A relationship with sexual intimity

So you want CIC agent to be able to see those things in your aplication. But, has said before, if you're sponsoring someone from US, knowing each other since 10 years and have kids together it is not necessary to prove it so much.

Good luck!

Because we did not send any translation and our chats were in roman urdu..... nobody asked for translation
yesss that's the point to keep in mind the red flags of your case n concentrate on those key areas

 

[Souricette]

Thansk Handsup!

Well, maybe I'm overdoing it! Maybe I will send less....

 

[MizAngel]

Thansk Handsup!

Well, maybe I'm overdoing it! Maybe I will send less....

Put yourself in the reviewers shoes, would you really want to read that many pages of discussion? I think 200-300 is a bit of overkill and they probably won't even bother to look at all of it.

A good representation is better, like I said, some people did one page per month they have been together and that was enough. They just want to know that you're in contact regularly.

 

[ydj_dil]

How come no one talks about WhatsApp? Our relation was built heavily on emoticons in WhatsApp

I wanted to send only a few chat logs, but one day per month over the course of our relation resulted in 500 pages. I thought it was fair, there should at least be some meat to the conversations. I picked randomly, and did not bother editing. It is what it is, our fights, our jokes and all of the rest.

Send more, the only downside is shipping cost. If they don't need them, they will shred them at no cost or delay. But, if you send less, you are taking a risk of delay.

 

[ninakap30]

In my opinion if U have red flags and you think ur case is a little difficult I think U should translate samples of ur conversations,if for ex U talk about future plans or something that proves the love between you and ur partner...just collect the best,choose...maybe U can enclose a fight I don't think it hurts combine both and frequency and translate as I said some samples

 

[handsup]

lolxxx

simple apply the 7 Cs

Clear
Concise
Concrete
Correct
Coherent
Complete
Courteous

be precise with above 7 Cs

 

[keesio]

Put yourself in the reviewers shoes, would you really want to read that many pages of discussion? I think 200-300 is a bit of overkill and they probably won't even bother to look at all of it.

Yeah there were several cases where CIC just shredded them all. One person ordered their notes and actually saw a comment that stated that the package was too bulky and there were too many logs that were shredded. You just need like a few pages spread out over the duration of the relationship. I'd keep it under 20

 

[Souricette]

Mmm ok! Maybe you're right. I was thinking they will probably not read it completly but if they doubt the relationship they could check further.

I'll think about those 7 Cs!!

 

[keesio]

Mmm ok! Maybe you're right. I was thinking they will probably not read it completly but if they doubt the relationship they could check further.

Yes, chat logs are like the last thing they really analyze. If the rest of your evidence is weak, then they may scrutinize the logs more. If you have strong evidence, then they'll probably just skim through a few pages (if at all) and toss the rest.