Problem with Immigration office in Toronto Airport.

[talhahassan]

Hi All ,

Please assist , I got Canadian temporary residence visa in 2013 with purpose as visit my family based on an invite from them in Sept 2013 while i was single. I got married in Nov.2013 and same month my wife got pregnant , that is when we thought to deliver in Canada and gift our baby the nationality of Canada. I applied my wife visa in May 2014 and we got the visa same month as well. I let my wife travel in June as she arrived in Toronto in transit to Montreal the immigration asked her purpose of travel , she responded as meeting family. They asked my wife for address and phone # which she provided. The immigration called my Aunt and asked the why my wife is traveling to Canada ( i am not sure about exact question) my Aunt responded she is coming here for delivery of the baby ( stupid her ).

The immigration office came back and told my wife that she lied and she is here for delivery offloaded her from the connecting flight. My wife explained that it is not yet decided if she will deliver in Canada or no , her main purpose to travel is to meet family how-ever she may consider options to deliver here or return. This true as i told my wife if she don't adjust she can come back in 3 weeks though her return ticket was booked after the expected delivery date. After making her sit for an hour they let her go telling they will add this to the her file and further investigate . They also asked when i am going to travel to canada.

Myself and my wife work in Dubai and we can afford to pay upto 10,000 CAD for the delivery.

Question:1 What does she meant by adding to file and further investigation?
Question 2 Will i have any issues while i travel to Canada ( possibility at the time of delivery Week 1 Aug.14 ) ?

Please help.

 

[davek1979]

The problem is not with immigration. The problem is with you trying to go around the rules to have your baby born a Canadian citizen. You are lucky they have let her in the country. That being said, you may have problem getting into Canada to be with your wife while she delivers. Ten thousand is not likely enough for your wife to deliver here. I know people who have had to pay to deliver in Toronto hospitals and it cost that much for a basic delivery. Add complications and the cost could sky-rocket.

1. They could be look into her file and decide to revoke her visa. I would make sure her visa will allow her to stay long enough.
2. It likely will cause problems when you try to come into the country. Since you application will be linked to hers due to your marriage. They may not let you into the country.

 

[talhahassan]

@davek1979
- Canadian law allows any babe born in Canada to be granted Canadian citizenship.
- Pregnant women can enter in to Canada and as per Canadian law immigration doesn't have the right to stop some one if they find them pregnant , there is no such law.
- Bringing 10,000 CAD to Canadian Economy is gift to those people who survive on unemployment allowance as per recent stats it as high as 8% of the population.
- Delivery cost with Midwife is 3000 CAD and at a hospital is 50000 CAD and with complication will be minimum 10,000 CAD ++.

As for as you said they might deny me , i will approach local embassy and clarify that before i travel.

Cheers.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

- Pregnant women can enter in to Canada and as per Canadian law immigration doesn't have the right to stop some one if they find them pregnant , there is no such law.

If the border officer believes that a pregnant woman is coming to Canada just to give birth, then she is not a genuine visitor and therefore the border officer has every right under the law to refuse her entry.

 

[mikeymyke]

If you want to give your baby the gift of Canada citizenship, get PR here in Canada through a skilled worker stream, live in caregiver, etc, sponsor your wife, then add your child as a dependent. Follow the rules. Please don't try to do the anchor baby thing and lie at customs. There's no point in giving your child citizenship anyway if you yourself can't accompany the baby to Canada on a permanent basis.

 

[mikeymyke]

@ davek1979
- Canadian law allows any babe born in Canada to be granted Canadian citizenship.
- Pregnant women can enter in to Canada and as per Canadian law immigration doesn't have the right to stop some one if they find them pregnant , there is no such law.
- Bringing 10,000 CAD to Canadian Economy is gift to those people who survive on unemployment allowance as per recent stats it as high as 8% of the population.
- Delivery cost with Midwife is 3000 CAD and at a hospital is 50000 CAD and with complication will be minimum 10,000 CAD ++.

As for as you said they might deny me , i will approach local embassy and clarify that before i travel.

Cheers.

-true
-Canadian customs agents has every right to stop someone, pregnant or not, if its determined they are not a genuine visitor. Your wife is not a genuine visitor because she's not here to visit family, or go see the CN tower, she's here to give birth so her kid can be a Canadian citizen. THey were 100% right in denying your wife entry
-Paying $10,000 is not a "gift". Your wife is giving birth in a Canadian hospital, funded by taxpayers. She is taking up a bed, using up a hospital's resources so she can give birth. Even if she's paying $10,000 and taxpayers are not paying for it, your wife is still taking up a bed, using up doctors/nurses for her delivery. That bed and team of nurses could've been used on a Canadian citizen who's trying to give birth, and our hospitals/emergency wards are already overcrowded as we speak, so what your wife is doing is not a "gift" to taxpayers, its a hindrance.

 

[SNSMTL]

-true
-Canadian customs agents has every right to stop someone, pregnant or not, if its determined they are not a genuine visitor. Your wife is not a genuine visitor because she's not here to visit family, or go see the CN tower, she's here to give birth so her kid can be a Canadian citizen. THey were 100% right in denying your wife entry
-Paying $10,000 is not a "gift". Your wife is giving birth in a Canadian hospital, funded by taxpayers. She is taking up a bed, using up a hospital's resources so she can give birth. Even if she's paying $10,000 and taxpayers are not paying for it, your wife is still taking up a bed, using up doctors/nurses for her delivery. That bed and team of nurses could've been used on a Canadian citizen who's trying to give birth, and our hospitals/emergency wards are already overcrowded as we speak, so what your wife is doing is not a "gift" to taxpayers, its a hindrance.

I totally agree, please do not take it personal but your wife is not a genuine visitor, and I strongly believe had your wife mentioned in her application that apart from visiting the family in canada (which seems vague) that she is also pregnant, she probably would have never got the visa.

Besides, as per your notes, another complelling reason is that your wife came to Canada about 2 months prior to the delivery so that ( if I am not wrong) she can find a doctor/ midwife who can do the followup till the end of pregnancy. It is shocking for some one to learn that a newly married couple travels lonley to meet their relatives in Canada and that you only deside to travel during the week of your baby's delivery.

If you were so genuine in your intention of giving away 10000$ as a gift to canadian citizen, you should of filed her application based on the child-birth situation and explained your generocity factor as well.

If you think that 10,000$ is the price for a canadian citizenship, you should still be thankful to Canada because canadian citizenship worth a LOT more than 10,000$.

 

[talhahassan]

Well first of all i am surprized that i didn't got a single positive response.

Secondly it is shocking to know as you said that Canadian health care system is already overloaded and if some one pays and use the health care facility is actually taking over a " Canadian " place.

Well i am very nutureal person and won't like to take over some one place if this worst is the scenario in Canada. So here is what i will do , my wife will go and check with couple of midwives as well as hospital in this week if they will accept her case. If they are not " crowded " as you said and are ready to accept the case i will let my wife stay and if the hospital are crowded as you said we will leave back for Dubai in 2 weeks time.

Just to make the fact straight , Canada has currently the lowest birth rate 10.48 in past 100 years , currently standing at 188 Number in the world when it comes to child birth.

Secondly , i know very well that my baby having Canadian nationality will not benefit me or my wife at all. Even if some one offers me to move to Canada i won't because i have better health care services , better living standard and a tax free salary in Dubai which i will never get in Canada.

Anyways cutting it short guys , if any one felt this was wrong , i will forsure make my wife leave back in 2 weeks tops.

 

[Jalex23]

Well first of all i am surprized that i didn't got a single positive response.

In this forum we don't give positive responses to people who try to outsmart CIC. So no surprise.

Secondly , i know very well that my baby having Canadian nationality will not benefit me or my wife at all. Even if some one offers me to move to Canada i won't because i have better health care services , better living standard and a tax free salary in Dubai which i will never get in Canada.

Then why do you want to " gift our baby the nationality of Canada"? Give your baby the "gift" of UAE nationality where surely he/she will have "better health care services , better living standard and a tax free salary in Dubai which will never get in Canada".

 

[fkl]

Well, it is exactly this attitude, that government of Canada is considering adding a requirement for Citizenship that at least one of the parents be a Canadian PR or a citizen.

And this is caused by EXACTLY such misuse of the system. Adding insult to the injury "surprised that didn't get a positive response".

If the above law is passed, and it denies Citizenship to children of people who say are in Canada for years on worker, student etc. status, they should rightly curse people such as OP.

If it was such a "fair" opinion, one could have simply disclosed that while applying for visit visa or could simply tell the truth at the airport.

It definitely was a lie, and intention to misuse the system, no matter how we try to manipulate it. I wish we all develop better ethics so immigration systems across the world start respecting genuine individual situations more

 

[fkl]

Well said @Jalex23 - so much for the "gift" and "better" prospects.

 

[talhahassan]

Well particularly surprising that most of the people are replying to the thread are quite patriot to there home countries by using there national flags as the display picture prove above discussion doesn't represent the Canadian mentality, rather tom, dick and harry from Cameroon, Spain & Pakistan. Even now residing in Canada would have for sure used most “Un-ethical “ways to make sure they STAY and would have abused the Canadian system now teaching Professor Ethics to others no one has justified based one experience or knowledge base to Canadian law that was actually what I was looking for.
I have went through several threads on this very website, with 100 of positive comments unfortunately mine is not the one.
Well the only attraction I see in Canadian passport and the very reason to give as a gift to my child is visa free travel. I travel all around the world and I am sick of paying visa fees that I have to pay only because of my Pakistani passport. E.g. a UK 5 Years visit visa cost me 1500 USD. I am sure I will stay in Dubai and bring my Children’s here as well.

“”””@fkl If the above law is passed, and it denies Citizenship to children of people who say are in Canada for years on worker, student etc. status, they should rightly curse people such as OP “””
You are confused about different visa category worker , student and visitors all come on different visa category so if a law is passed it could very well be specific.

 

[fkl]

Ignoring the initial backlash since that is a typical response expected at this point, i fully understand and appreciate the intention and ease behind the Canadian passport. It would have been far more respectable to simply use a formal process such as PR to achieve that. Coming to Canada solely to give birth for citizenship on visit visa (and lying to the immigration) is wrong, ethically, morally, even legally and in every way possible (and is unfortunately a blot in the name of my country)

Visa category does not matter here (i wrote already what is being considered by Government - either Citizens or PR thereby affecting ALL other categories) and is not the subject. Giving citizenship right to every one born here wasn't with the assumption that people would actually "plan visits" to get citizenship for their children. It is exactly this exploitation that leads to stricter rules in all situations.

I wish you had realized seeing all other threads where people help others - this being an exception that there is something fundamentally WRONG with your intent, which is why you won't find even a single supporting argument.

Ever heard of the guy who went on the wrong side of the road and started loudly chanting 'why the hell is every body driving in the opposite direction'.

 

[jddalove]

Well particularly surprising that most of the people are replying to the thread are quite patriot to there home countries by using there national flags as the display picture prove above discussion doesn't represent the Canadian mentality, rather tom, dick and harry from Cameroon, Spain & Pakistan. Even now residing in Canada would have for sure used most “Un-ethical “ways to make sure they STAY and would have abused the Canadian system now teaching Professor Ethics to others no one has justified based one experience or knowledge base to Canadian law that was actually what I was looking for.
I have went through several threads on this very website, with 100 of positive comments unfortunately mine is not the one.
Well the only attraction I see in Canadian passport and the very reason to give as a gift to my child is visa free travel. I travel all around the world and I am sick of paying visa fees that I have to pay only because of my Pakistani passport. E.g. a UK 5 Years visit visa cost me 1500 USD. I am sure I will stay in Dubai and bring my Children's here as well.

“””” @ fkl If the above law is passed, and it denies Citizenship to children of people who say are in Canada for years on worker, student etc. status, they should rightly curse people such as OP “””
You are confused about different visa category worker , student and visitors all come on different visa category so if a law is passed it could very well be specific.

im with you
some people on this forum think getting a PR is as easy as applying and thats it,,,getting a visit visa is a headache,,go figure a PR!!!!!
I don't understand why if we where all born on this planet we should ''apply'' to live in another country,,immigration,,laws,,politics,,its all a society trap...to keep us under control...and not live the life we are all supposed to...
if CIC checks this forum im sure they would employ a lottttttt of people from here,,,very talented heartless individuals,,,

 

[txboyscout]

Hi All ,

Please assist , I got Canadian temporary residence visa in 2013 with purpose as visit my family based on an invite from them in Sept 2013 while i was single. I got married in Nov.2013 and same month my wife got pregnant , that is when we thought to deliver in Canada and gift our baby the nationality of Canada. I applied my wife visa in May 2014 and we got the visa same month as well. I let my wife travel in June as she arrived in Toronto in transit to Montreal the immigration asked her purpose of travel , she responded as meeting family. They asked my wife for address and phone # which she provided. The immigration called my Aunt and asked the why my wife is traveling to Canada ( i am not sure about exact question) my Aunt responded she is coming here for delivery of the baby ( stupid her ).

The immigration office came back and told my wife that she lied and she is here for delivery offloaded her from the connecting flight. My wife explained that it is not yet decided if she will deliver in Canada or no , her main purpose to travel is to meet family how-ever she may consider options to deliver here or return. This true as i told my wife if she don't adjust she can come back in 3 weeks though her return ticket was booked after the expected delivery date. After making her sit for an hour they let her go telling they will add this to the her file and further investigate . They also asked when i am going to travel to canada.

Myself and my wife work in Dubai and we can afford to pay upto 10,000 CAD for the delivery.

Question:1 What does she meant by adding to file and further investigation?
Question 2 Will i have any issues while i travel to Canada ( possibility at the time of delivery Week 1 Aug.14 ) ?

Please help.

Did they stamp her passport with a particular date that she has to leave the county by?

Per my calculations, she is due in the next two months, so unless they have stamped her passport with an exit date, she will have visitor status when she gives birth