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rrdiggy76

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Hi,

Hope someone can help,

Before i married, i lived with an (ex) girlfriend.

I can't remember specific dates, (one problem) but know it was for more than a year. The house was mine (alone), we had no joint accounts/utility bills or anything, she just lived with me and when we split, she moved out and that was the end of it.

IMM0008, Q10 asks for previous common-law relationships or marriages.

I know technically it was a common-law because of the cohabition, but there aren't really any other defining factors that's covered in OP2 5.34.

Do i need to include it???
 

angelbrat

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I doubt it....but to be on the safe side i would just put what you have put here.

They want to make sure that you have no other dependents....ie wife's, children etc....that could be sponsored in the future...also that any previous relationships are now over and do not have any bearing in your current relationship.

Sounds to me more like an ex girlfriend and I am sure if you put what you explained here in the form....an IO will view it the same....should be no problem at all.
 

rrdiggy76

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Thanks,

I think I'll attach a separate sheet to the back of the form explaining details and just give my ex girlfriends name, DOB and as close to the cohabiting dates as I can remember.

Have no other proof, she never even changed her address for driving licence or passport that I'm aware of.
 

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Isn't the question Either you were married or you were not?

I know it gets complicated with co-habitation, common-law and such. In my previous life I was married for 25 years to someone that for the last 15 years I never slept with and that I supported more like a child than an spouse. Unfortunately (or however you look at it), I was still legally married and responsible as such.
 

untitled

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I lived with my ex boyfriend 7 years and had two children with him previous to my marriage to my husband. We had no joint accounts, leases, utilities etc... and we had been apart 5 years when I met my husband. My husband and I's LD relationship went on for 6 years before we applied for his PR. (so a total of 11 years) I did not put my ex boyfriend on the paper work and it was never an issue. My husband landed January 9th this year. I hope this helps
 

sogwap

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untitled said:
I lived with my ex boyfriend 7 years and had two children with him previous to my marriage to my husband. We had no joint accounts, leases, utilities etc... and we had been apart 5 years when I met my husband. My husband and I's LD relationship went on for 6 years before we applied for his PR. (so a total of 11 years) I did not put my ex boyfriend on the paper work and it was never an issue. My husband landed January 9th this year. I hope this helps
Ok then explain this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage#Ontario
Canada

In Canada, the legal definition and regulation of common-law marriage fall under provincial jurisdiction. A couple must meet the requirements of their province's Marriage Act for their common-law marriage to be legally recognized.

According to the Canada Revenue Agency, as of 2007, a common-law relationship is true if at least one of the following applies:

a) the couple have been living in a conjugal relationship for at least 12 continuous months;

b) the couple are parents of a child by birth or adoption; or

c) one of the couple has custody and control of the child (or had custody and control immediately before the child turned 19 years of age) and the child is wholly dependent on that person for support.

For a full, up to date CRA description go here: Marital Status

In many cases common-law couples have the same rights as married couples under federal law. Various federal laws include "common-law status," which automatically takes effect once two people (of any gender) have lived together in a conjugal relationship for five full years. Common-law partners may be eligible for various federal government spousal benefits. As family law varies between provinces, there are differences between the provinces regarding the recognition of common-law marriage.

In 1999, after the court case M. v. H., the Supreme Court of Canada decided that same-sex partners would also be included in common-law relationships.
 

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untitled said:
I lived with my ex boyfriend 7 years and had two children with him previous to my marriage to my husband.
I think you didn't get caught omitting him, but I would say you were certainly in a common law relationship and should have listed it. It wouldn't have been a problem, because that relationship is clearly over but that doesn't mean it never existed.

rrdiggy76 said:
I know technically it was a common-law because of the cohabition, but there aren't really any other defining factors that's covered in OP2 5.34. i need to include it???
Cohabitation by itself is not enough. You might cohabit with family members or roommates without them being common law partners. To be common law, it has to be a "conjugal relationship." This was defined, as sogwap said, in the M. vs. H. court case. Here is a very useful summary I found in a later court case. Take note that not all factors need to be present and some will be stronger than others in an individual case:

The Court listed seven characteristics of a conjugal relationship. These are:

SHELTER:
(a) Did the parties live under the same roof?
(b) What were the sleeping arrangements?
(c) Did anyone else occupy or share the available accommodation?

SEXUAL AND PERSONAL BEHAVIOUR:
(a) Did the parties have sexual relations? If not, why not?
(b) Did they maintain an attitude of fidelity to each other?
(c) What were their feelings toward each other?
(d) Did they communicate on a personal level?
(e) Did they eat their meals together?
(f) What, if anything, did they do to assist each other with problems or during illness?
(g) Did they buy gifts for each other on special occasions?

SERVICES:
What was the conduct and habit of the parties in relation to:
(a) preparation of meals,
(b) Washing and mending clothes,
(c) Shopping,
(d) Household maintenance,
(e) Any other domestic services?

SOCIAL:
(a) Did they participate together or separately in neighbourhood and community activities?
(b) What was the relationship and conduct of each of them towards members of their respective families and how did such families behave towards the parties?

SOCIETAL:
What was the attitude and conduct of the community towards each of them and as a couple?

SUPPORT: (ECONOMIC):
(a) What were the financial arrangements between the parties regarding the provision of or contribution towards the necessaries of life (food, clothing, shelter, recreation, etc.)?
(b) What were the arrangements concerning the acquisition and ownership of property?
(c) Was there any special financial arrangement between them which both agreed would be determinant of their overall relationship?

CHILDREN: What was the attitude and conduct of the parties concerning children?

In listing these criteria, the Court confirms that they are not exhaustive, and that the weight accorded to each may vary depending on the circumstances in each case. The Court emphasizes that the approach employed in determining whether a claimed relationship is conjugal ought to be flexible.

Former Appeal Division member Anita Boscariol in the decision of McCullough and the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration added the following characteristics, which I adopt and which Member Boscariol suggested to be implicit in the term "conjugal relationship":

• the partners have the capacity to, and consent freely to the relationship;

• a marriage between the claimed conjugal partners would not fall within the prohibited degrees of consanguinity under the Marriage (Prohibited Degrees) Act,18 and thus would not be incestuous;

• the conjugal relationship is exclusive and monogamous; and

• the relationship is more than a precursor, or plan, to share a conjugal relationship in future.
 
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iarblue

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Where did you and you ex girlfriend live together?Have you ever included her in any government docs of your for tax purposes or such.If she was never on any governement docs any loans any acccounts or and leases for house apts.If the answer to all these is no then the only ones that ever knew you lived together was you.?????
Dont make your app more complicated if you know what i mean.
 

rrdiggy76

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She lived with me in my house.

She had her mailing address changed to mine for her post and i had to have her added to my council tax as i was claiming single person occupancy discount before, and if she was living in the house, i'm unable to claim this discount.

The council tax account however, as all other bills/mortgage/utilities etc, was still in my sole name.

For the sake of adding her details, i'll just put them on with a note just to be on the safe side. I think my wife would have a bigger problem with me if i tried to sponsor an ex in the future than CIC would lol!!

Thanks for all the help.
 

angelbrat

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rrdiggy76 said:
She lived with me in my house.

She had her mailing address changed to mine for her post and i had to have her added to my council tax as i was claiming single person occupancy discount before, and if she was living in the house, i'm unable to claim this discount.

The council tax account however, as all other bills/mortgage/utilities etc, was still in my sole name.

For the sake of adding her details, i'll just put them on with a note just to be on the safe side. I think my wife would have a bigger problem with me if i tried to sponsor an ex in the future than CIC would lol!!

Thanks for all the help.
OMG..one thing I miss the most...British humor......yeah I am sure your wife would have a problem :p

Anyway, to make you feel better, my current partner has been married 4 times and is in fact still married to his 4th wife, although they were seperated in 2002 before I met him and he does have legal papers to show this.

When sending in our application, we listed all his relationships (he is the sponsor) and also any divorce papers or seperation papers needed. We had no problems what so ever, our application was deemed 'clean' ( a word that CIC use for uncomplicated spousal applications by the way) and PR was granted from an Inland application in 8 months.

Seriously, you should have absolutely no problem what so ever, CIC do realize that you do not have to be a virgin before you sponsor someone.
 
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iarblue

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Yeah im just wondering if you did not include a common law spouse and you were granted PR,and not saying they ever would.But if they did find out you lied they can pull your PR right?Or am i wrong.
Like said previous just put her in as common law the best of your knowledge.
 

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They only take away your PR for misrepresentation if the lie or omission was such that if you had told the whole truth, your PR application would have been refused. Having lived with a girlfriend for one year ten years ago is not going to affect your current PR application.
For the OP - I would include her, and attach an explanation.
 

rrdiggy76

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Thanks people, awesome stuff, one less thing to ponder over!