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Preparing 2nd application for trv

ouihel01

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My husband and I have visited Nepal twice and made friends with our trekking guide. He has a girlfriend who is studying in Texas at a University for a couple years and is aiming for her Masters degree in Business management. We have invited him last year in 2012 to come over to spend the summer here in Quebec and he applied for a TRV and we provided him with a letter of invitation , T4, bank statement, proof of canadian citizenship,confirmed return airline tkt...we followed all that was required by Canada Immigration . All docs were notarized on our part and sent to him . He on his side followed all instructions as required and sent his application to the High Commission office in New Delhi.
Because it was our first time inviting someone from overseas we thought there would be no problem considering we would sponsor him.
But to our amazement he was refused because he did not convince the agent that he would return to his country. And the points underlined in the letter was because of his family ties and financial assets.
With time and research we began to understand that a lot of people in the past came here as visitor and refused to go back to their country and thus creating issues with Canada. We do understand more Canada's point of view but what can we do when is honest? Let me explain.
This person has a permanent job and has been working for many years as a licensed trekking guide. When u are a guide you work with tourists and make friends . He once got invited over to Australia by a trekker, he was accepted for a two month English course at a college. He did provide a copy of his passport with visa stamps of entry and exit and copy of diploma of the college.
He also went to Tibet a few times to guide some tourists. Again he has proof of that as well. So if Australia and China accepted him why cant Canada do the same?
Regarding his family ties: He is single but has a loan to help paying the studies of his girlfriend. But he did not mention that at his 1st time application for TRV.
Regarding his financial assets : He does not have much money because a big part of his salary is used to pay back the bank. We transferred some money in his bank account but did not know how much we should put there.
We want to try again to bring him here this summer but think we should do it differently. We want your opinion on this.
He would apply for a TRV again but come as a student for a 3 week French immersion course at a University in Montreal. The course will be prepaid of course. If the length of stay is shorter then the 1st time meaning 3+ 1 week would he have more chances to be accepted?
What can he do to solve the issues about his family ties? and financial assets? How much money does he need to have in his bank account?
This is not married officially yet but is paying for his girlfriends studies, is that considered a strong family tie? If not , please give us some suggestions. It is sad the website of Immigration Canada does not provide advice regarding these points. It seems Canada is only opened to receive wealthy people and a few exceptions.
I also heard that there is corruption within the Imm office in Delhi. Indian employees examining applications would apparently favor some applicants in exchange for some $$$. If thats the case ,that is not fair. Canada should not close their eyes on this and do a bit of cleaning.
One last question, would it be easier for him to apply for an American visitor visa and come to Canada with that visa (if the visa allows him to come to Canada just like our TRV allows a person to go the US)? I would greatly appreciate your advice . Thanks
 

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ouihel01 said:
One last question, would it be easier for him to apply for an American visitor visa and come to Canada with that visa (if the visa allows him to come to Canada just like our TRV allows a person to go the US)? I would greatly appreciate your advice . Thanks
No - an American visitor visa won't allow him to come to Canada with that visa. He will still need to apply for a visitor visa to Canada separately if he wants to visit Canada.
 

ouihel01

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Thanks for the information but still i need advice on how to prepare the 2nd application. Anyone?
 

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ouihel01 said:
Thanks for the information but still i need advice on how to prepare the 2nd application. Anyone?
It's going to be difficult to get the visa approved given his age and country of origin. He's paying the price for the visa fraud committed by others in the past unfortunately. That's why it's so difficult to get approved - too many people in the past have come over on visit visas and simply not left or have worked illegally.

When they say family ties - they're looking for things that show ties back to his home country. The fact that he is paying for his girlfriend to study at an American university will probably show the opposite (closer ties to North America). I'd leave this out. Can he provide any other proof that shows ties to his home country? Any property owned? Apartment he rents? Bank accounts? Other assets? Is he the primary caregiver for his older parents?

I'm not sure that coming here for a French immersion program is a good way to go. It might be. Or CIC might just think he's trying to come up any reason to visit just to get into Canada. Why does he want to come all the way over here just to study French? Can he provide a clear / strong explanation in his application?
 

ouihel01

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Thanks a lot for your reply and questions. I fully understand Canada's point of view as i said in my first posting. The answers to your questions are:
Yes , he rents an apartment in Kathmandu.

He did provide a copy of his bank account but they were not satisfied.

How can he prove that he is a caregiver of his parents? They dont live with him.

I dont know if he is a landowner. i dont think so but will ask him.

Because there are tourists from all over the world that come trekking in Nepal , learning French would be an asset for him. His employer agrees to that and can provide a letter explaining the need to learn other languages.

He honestly just want to come and visit us , learning French is just an extra for himself and his employer. But if applying this way is not good ,then how else could he apply ? Should he just reapply for a vacation like the 1st time but add extra information like the renting of his apartment and the caregiving of his parents? Do you have another suggestion?
How much money does he need to have in his bank account for his application? Does he need to have a certain amount per week stay?
We are sponsoring him , he would stay at our place for the whole stay.
Thanks again for your coming reply.
 

Pippin

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I don't know if a three week French course would accomplish much toward the trv or learning the language. Wonder if the VO sees his job as a temporary one, depending on being hired by groups. Did he provide proof of it as a full time ongoing position? Without much money saved it doesn't make it sound as if he is well established at home. Real problem not being able to show the money going to pay the education loan. I agree bringing the girlfriend into the equation would make his chances worse. Somehow he has to show stronger ties. Renting an apartment has no weight. It has to be something the VO feels he would not Walk Away From. Spouse, child, property - that sort of thing. Can his employer write reference letter granting leave. Explaining his importance as a guide, date he is expected back, duration of employment, etc.
Wish I could offer more ideas.
 

ouihel01

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Did he provide proof of it ? YES HE DID. HE WORKS FOR THE SAME EMPLOYER ALL YEAR ROUND. OF COURSE THERE IS A LOW SEASON DURING SUMMER BUT HE IS STILL CONSIDERED EMPLOYEE.

It has to be something the VO feels he would not Walk Away From. Spouse, child, property - that sort of thing. Can his employer write reference letter granting leave. Explaining his importance as a guide, date he is expected back, duration of employment, etc.
I WILL DOUBLE CHECK WITH HIM BUT I THINK HIS EMPLOYER DID PROVIDE ALL THIS INFO ALREADY. HE HAS NO SPOUSE YET OR CHILDREN OR PROPERTY.
 

ouihel01

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If its too difficult to come here, then lets change scenario. This person wants to visit North America and us. Would it be easier for him to apply for a US visitor visa and we can meet him in the States and visit there? He could do some tourism with us and he could visit his girlfriend in Texas at the same time? If his girlfriend has a student visa and has been there for a couple of years already ,would it be easier for him ? Does anyone know? And is there a us office in Kathmandu where he can apply directly ?
 

scylla

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ouihel01 said:
If its too difficult to come here, then lets change scenario. This person wants to visit North America and us. Would it be easier for him to apply for a US visitor visa and we can meet him in the States and visit there? He could do some tourism with us and he could visit his girlfriend in Texas at the same time? If his girlfriend has a student visa and has been there for a couple of years already ,would it be easier for him ? Does anyone know? And is there a us office in Kathmandu where he can apply directly ?
Probably better if you ask any US immigration related questions on a US forum.

http://forums.immigration.com/forum.php

Good luck.
 

Pippin

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What I have learned is not to reapply until you have met the deficiencies in the first application. Order the GCMS notes before you proceed. For advice on doing it there are lots of threads on forum. Cocknbull has a good one. It will only cost you five dollars and takes about a month.
 

Pippin

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Hi: Global Case Management System. Check out this thread for lots of good advice. http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t99210.0.html
 

ouihel01

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One more question for you Pippin please, is the gcms notes are the reply letter sent to the applicant ? If it is then i already have a copy of it and know the points he needs to correct. Does knowing what he is missing is sufficient for reapplication? (And of course correcting these points).
 

Pippin

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No the gcms have much more detail than the letter. I think it is ridiculous that you have to apply separately to get these notes. The letter gives you no indication of where to improve the application. It only costs five dollars if you have a Canadian contact but for those who do not it is $40-60 for a private company to get them. I expect some people are hesitant to involve an unknown company in a foreign country to get such personal documents for them as well.