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mikePR

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I am a permanent resident and currently outside of Canada.

However, stupid me, I left my PR card at home... very concern that I will not be able to re-enter Canada without one.

A little about me
- My PR is valid
- I have stayed in Canada for over 3 years
- I am married, employed and have assets in Canada
- I have traveled multiple times (short vacation) outside of Canada with my PR card past 3 years, and have stamps on my passport.
- My passport is visa-exempted (HongKong)
- I have proof of my bank statements, driver license, property bills on my phone (digital)

I will be travelling back to Canada by plane (commercial transport).

Will I be eligible to enter Canada? I am very concern.

Please help. Thanks a million
 

mikePR

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Forgot to mention that I will be travelling back to Canada with my spouse, who is a Canadian citizen.

Not sure if this helps.... :(
 

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It is the airline that requires the PR Card, so without one you may not be able to board the plane.

You can apply for a PRTD, but it takes a few weeks to process apparently.


You may get lucky, if the airline `thinks' that you are coming to Canada as a visitor. Having a refundable return ticket may help.

If you are returning after March 15th, you'll need an eTA:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/multimedia/video/visitcanada/visitcanada.asp


Sorry, but I don't think there's anyway to guarantee success without the PRTD or eTA...unless you have someone express courier your PR Card to you. :)
 

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mikePR said:
Can I play stupid and apply for eTA online? Thanks.

It might be tricky when you go through customs in Canada.
I would suggest to visit or contact your nearest embassy or VFS (as they are there to assist citizens and PR's), they will probably be able to provide more information and maybe even a travel document for you t re-enter Canada as a PR.

Good luck!
 

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If there is any way that you can get your PR card sent to you, you should definitely go that way. It'll save you a lot of hassle.

As a PR, you can't apply for eTA. You might be lucky that the system doesn't recognize that you are a PR but that is not a gamble you should take.

With your background and travel history (since you are well within the Residency Obligation), it should be a piece of cake to get a PRTD. Just print all the copies that you have on your phone and submit them with your PRTD application. A PRTD might take weeks but sometimes takes just 10 days, but nobody knows what that depends on.

But again, have your PR card couriered to you, that is by far the fastest and easiest solution.
 

mikePR

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Unfortunately, mailing me the PR is not an option.

My spouse is with me, and no one has keys to my house!

I am not sure if I have enough time to apply for PRTD. I only got roughly 12 days.

As for applying for eTA, why would you call it gamble? I guess the worst it can happen is i lose the fees? Or will they flag me as 'bad record' on their system?
 

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mikePR said:
Can I play stupid and apply for eTA online? Thanks.
It asks you if you have ever applied to enter Canada. If you lie, you have committed misrepresentation, which is grounds for criminal inadmissability to Canada.

The proper procedure in this case is to apply for a PR travel document. If your spouse is a Citizen, it should be quite fast. When you return to Canada, you can apply for a PR card.
 

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mikePR said:
As for applying for eTA, why would you call it gamble? I guess the worst it can happen is i lose the fees? Or will they flag me as 'bad record' on their system?
When applying for an eTA, you have two options. You can either lie, or tell the truth.

If you tell the truth, they will refuse to issue you an eTA. I've tried it.

If you lie, you are committing a crime. That's a gamble. It may work, it may get you in serious trouble. Generally speaking, lying to immigrations officials is a bad idea.
 

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mikePR said:
Unfortunately, mailing me the PR is not an option.

My spouse is with me, and no one has keys to my house!

I am not sure if I have enough time to apply for PRTD. I only got roughly 12 days.

As for applying for eTA, why would you call it gamble? I guess the worst it can happen is i lose the fees? Or will they flag me as 'bad record' on their system?
The worst thing that could happen is that your eTA is refused. I don't think you would face any bad consequences if your eTA is refused for that reason, but it will just most likely not work. When you apply for an eTA there is a question if you applied to CIC before (which of course you did) and you have to provide your UCI. I would assume that the system automatically checks if the client with that UCI is a PR and then refuses your eTA application with the reason "you don't need an eTA, use your PR card or a PRTD".

Some people send in their PRTD application an get the document within five days. Why not go to the Visa Centre in Hong Kong personally, submit your application and then hope that it works.

But: If you are leaving in 12 days that is just before eTA becomes mandatory, so why don't you just fly on your visa exempt passport?
 

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mikePR said:
Can I play stupid and apply for eTA online? Thanks.
I concur in observation that it should be easy to get the PR Travel Document and that is the better route to follow. Include explanation in application that you accidentally failed to carry current PR card with you.

Generally it would be a bad idea to apply for status you know you are not eligible for. PRs are not eligible for eTA. No complex logic necessary to figure out the right thing to do.

Get the PR TD application in quickly. I do not know individual office time lines but others have reported it just taking a few days to get the PR TD. Include explanation as to why you need it (forgot to bring PR card), ask for urgent processing.

Next best alternative is to make alternative flight plans to travel via the U.S., assuming you can travel to the U.S., and travel by private car to the border.

Yeah, important to carry documents when traveling internationally. Unfortunately, yeah, stuff happens, we make mistakes, and . . . you have to deal with it. PR TD is way to go.



In recognization that what we should do is not what many will do:

I am not familiar with the eTA application. Obviously, you absolutely should NOT make any misrepresentation in that application (either overtly or by omission). Thus, if it asks for information which directly or indirectly discloses your PR status, you need to give complete and truthful information. It would be stupid indeed to fudge this information; consequences for making misrepresentations have been increased and since you have nothing to gain but a slight chance to avoid the minor inconvenience of getting a PR TD or traveling via the U.S., it would be down right stupid to play games.

The eTA may not ask for information which specifically indicates you are a PR. In that case I would not, but you could apply for the eTA and see what happens.

We know what is supposed to happen, that as a PR you are not eligible for eTA, so the application should be denied. And I suspect that is what will happen, that indeed, you will be denied.

If you decide to apply for the PR TD (which is probably what you really should do) that should be relatively simple and fairly quick -- being sure to both detail dates of presence in Canada but also include information about accompanying Canadian citizen spouse: copy of marriage certificate (or at least statement from spouse if you do not have a copy of marriage certificate with you), copy of spouse's Canadian passport, and statement from spouse stating that you have been living together.

kateg posted in meantime. That appears to answer what I did not know about what they ask for.

I disagree with spyfy (who also posted in meantime) relative to going ahead and applying for eTA, emphasizing again that giving any misleading information (including by omission) in making the eTA application is a very bad idea.

I would not wait to when you get to the airport to find out if the airlines will allow you to board the flight without eTA. Just because it is prior to the deadline for when the airlines absolutely must require eTA is no guarantee that the airlines will allow you to board without it. Technically PRs have long been required to present a PR card or PR TD before boarding a flight destined for Canada. Just because the typical practice of airlines, in the past, has been to allow boarding to PRs presenting a visa-exempt does not mean that practice is available today, let alone just a few days prior to the mandatory deadline for eTA restrictions.
 

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dpenabill said:
I disagree with spyfy (who also posted in meantime) relative to going ahead and applying for eTA, emphasizing again that giving any misleading information (including by omission) in making the eTA application is a very bad idea.
Ooops that is a misunderstanding. I definitely never said he should go ahead with an eTA application. I simply answered the question what would happen if he applied for an eTA since he asked that. I also think applying for an eTA is a bad idea. Actually, "pointless" is a better word here.

I support every single item of dpenabill's post. Couldn't have said it better. +1
 

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spyfy said:
Ooops that is a misunderstanding. I definitely never said he should go ahead with an eTA application. I simply answered the question what would happen if he applied for an eTA since he asked that. I also think applying for an eTA is a bad idea. Actually, "pointless" is a better word here.

I support every single item of dpenabill's post. Couldn't have said it better. +1
1. I would think that when a person applies for an ETA, it will be run against system to determine if the person is a PR or not.
 

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1. I would think that when a person applies for an ETA, it will be run against system to determine if the person is a PR or not.
From the time taken, it's a manual, not an automated process. It asks if you have ever applied to enter Canada, and if so, for your UCI.

From that, they will know you are a Permanent Resident.
 

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spyfy said:
But: If you are leaving in 12 days that is just before eTA becomes mandatory, so why don't you just fly on your visa exempt passport?
+1 to this. If flying before March 15, you don't need an eTA, only a visa exempt passport. You will just need to make sure you tell the airline you are a visitor to Canada only traveling on visa-exempt passport. You should not mention at all your PR status, else airline will demand to see the PR card to board.

Worst thing that could happen is you are forced to buy a return airplane ticket on the spot in case the airline makes a fuss about wanting to see a return/onward ticket. Some do, but majority don't care as long as passport is visa-exempt.

When back in Canada, CBSA can easily determine your PR status with just your passport and COPR if you have it.