Physical presence calculator reason for staying outside Canada

[Aneelareddy]

Hello everyone,

I need some help in answering my questions regarding calculating my physical presence in Canada for my Citizenship as 1) Student 2) Work permit 3) PR
I have tried calculating on cic website, but I am little bit confused about some days (No legal status for 6 months, between my work permit expiration and Pr Landing)
Here are my dates in Canada and the date I became PR on 28 June 2018 Valid Until 30 August 2023

1) 01 Jan 2013 to 05 Jan 2015 on Student permit (0 days absence)
2) 05 Jan 2015 to 01 Jan 2018 on Work permit (Around 120 days absence)
3) 06 Jan 2018 to 12 June 2018 - NO LEGAL STATUS (As my work permit extension rejected, Pr application was in processing and Pr confirmation letter received on June 12, 2018)
4) 28 June 2018 to 27 Nov, 2018 (0 absence)
5) 28 Nov 2018 to 15 July 2019 (OUT OF CANADA)
6) 16 July 2019 to 17 Nov, 2019 (0 absence)
7) 18 Nov 2019 to 30 April 2020 (OUT OF CANADA)
8) 1 May 2020 till date..............

Can someone help answering the questions below:
1) Will the NO LEGAL STATUS days be counted?
2) I see On CIC calculator as Only the five (5) years immediately before the date of your application are considered for calculating the physical presence requirement this - If I apply for my Citizenship in 2023, will I loose my days as STUDENT & WORKER days accumulated before 2018? ( I supposed to get 365 days)
3) Is there any advantage for students graduated in Canada, Worked on Work permit, & became PR. Or is it the same 1095 for everyone?
4) Since my family living in USA I am not able to stay continuously in Canada. Will there be any impact on my application?

I would really appreciate some advice, suggestions on this

Thankyou
Anee

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Hello everyone,

I need some help in answering my questions regarding calculating my physical presence in Canada for my Citizenship as 1) Student 2) Work permit 3) PR
I have tried calculating on cic website, but I am little bit confused about some days (No legal status for 6 months, between my work permit expiration and Pr Landing)
Here are my dates in Canada and the date I became PR on 28 June 2018 Valid Until 30 August 2023

1) 01 Jan 2013 to 05 Jan 2015 on Student permit (0 days absence)
2) 05 Jan 2015 to 01 Jan 2018 on Work permit (Around 120 days absence)
3) 06 Jan 2018 to 12 June 2018 - NO LEGAL STATUS (As my work permit extension rejected, Pr application was in processing and Pr confirmation letter received on June 12, 2018)
4) 28 June 2018 to 27 Nov, 2018 (0 absence)
5) 28 Nov 2018 to 15 July 2019 (OUT OF CANADA)
6) 16 July 2019 to 17 Nov, 2019 (0 absence)
7) 18 Nov 2019 to 30 April 2020 (OUT OF CANADA)
8) 1 May 2020 till date..............

Can someone help answering the questions below:
1) Will the NO LEGAL STATUS days be counted?
2) I see On CIC calculator as Only the five (5) years immediately before the date of your application are considered for calculating the physical presence requirement this - If I apply for my Citizenship in 2023, will I loose my days as STUDENT & WORKER days accumulated before 2018? ( I supposed to get 365 days)
3) Is there any advantage for students graduated in Canada, Worked on Work permit, & became PR. Or is it the same 1095 for everyone?
4) Since my family living in USA I am not able to stay continuously in Canada. Will there be any impact on my application?

I would really appreciate some advice, suggestions on this

Thankyou
Anee

1. Of course not.

2. Yes, you will lose all days outside of the 5 year window.

3. They can apply at the 2 year mark after PR if they have the full 1 year credit of pre-PR time.

4. You don't have to stay continuously.

 

[dpenabill]

BEST APPROACH TO DETERMINING WHEN TO APPLY FOR CITIZENSHIP: USE THE ONLINE ACTUAL PHYSICAL PRESENCE CALCULATOR.

And then wait to have at least an additional 30 days credit before applying (many forum participant suggest only 10 or so).

Note, it is easy to run all sorts of hypothetical dates through the online calculator, so it should be easy to estimate future absences in assessing various scenarios to get a rough idea about when a PR will be eligible and, again adding some buffer days, when it will be time to actually apply.


Further Observations:

In addition to emphasizing the "of course not" observation in regards to counting days in Canada during which an individual did not have either PR status or temporary resident status, some additional clarifications and observations:

"I became PR on 28 June 2018 Valid Until 30 August 2023"​

PR status is valid indefinitely. NO expiration date.

If 30 August 2023 is the date your PR card expires, that has NOTHING to do with either meeting your PR Residency Obligation or eligibility for citizenship. There is no guarantee your PR status will be valid to the 30th of August 2023. But unless you do something to be deemed inadmissible, or you become a Canadian citizen sooner than that, or you renounce your status, you will continue to be a PR beyond August 30, 2023 without having to renew or apply for anything. On the other hand, if you are outside Canada more than 1096 days between June 28, 2018 and June 28, 2023, the day you go over 1096 outside Canada you will be in breach of the RO and subject to losing PR status as of that day.

"If I apply for my Citizenship in 2023, will I loose my days as STUDENT & WORKER days accumulated before 2018? ( I supposed to get 365 days)"​

Not sure what you mean by loose or lose days. Not sure what you mean by "supposed to get 365 days." Credit toward the actual physical presence requirement for a grant of citizenship is not complicated:

-- Only days counted are days within the five year eligibility period. Eligibility period is the five years ending the day prior to the date the application is made.​

-- Example one: for an application made today, May 10, 2020, the eligibility period is May 10, 2015 to May 9, 2020; thus any days in Canada prior to May 10, 2015 will NOT count.​

-- Example two: for an application made July 9, 2023, the eligibility period is July 9, 2018 to July 8, 2023; thus any days in Canada prior to July 9, 2018 will NOT count.​

-- Days IN Canada with temporary resident status prior to becoming a PR and within the five year eligibility period count, allowed one-half day credit toward the actual presence requirement up to a maximum of 365​

-- Days IN Canada after becoming a PR, and within the five year eligibility period, count as full day credits toward the actual physical presence requirement; the minimum credit for days in Canada as a PR is 730​

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Total credit for actual physical presence, within the relevant five years, must be 1095 or more. Leading to . . .

"3) Is there any advantage for students graduated in Canada, Worked on Work permit, & became PR. Or is it the same 1095 for everyone?"​

Here again I am not sure what you mean by "any advantage." In what way? With very narrow exceptions, all grant citizenship applicants must meet the actual physical presence requirement, which requires 1095 total days credit, and which again is based on days in Canada within the five year eligibility period, full day credit for days as a PR, half-days credit for days in Canada with temporary resident status.

"4) Since my family living in USA I am not able to stay continuously in Canada. Will there be any impact on my application?"​

Here too, I am not clear what you are asking about. What sort of impact? There are no requirements for a grant of citizenship directly affected by where the PR's family lives. As for not staying continuously in Canada, of course the more days you are outside Canada the longer it will take for you to meet the minimum physical presence requirement. Depending on other factors which might raise questions about the applicant's actual physical presence, particularly if in combination with a small margin over the minimum, sure the fact that an applicant has significant residential ties abroad, such as most or all the applicant's immediate family is outside Canada, can influence or trigger RQ-related non-routine processing, but the only affect that should have is the extra steps taken to verify the applicant's physical presence. And even that should not happen unless there is some reason to question the applicant's accounting of days in Canada.

Hello everyone,

I need some help in answering my questions regarding calculating my physical presence in Canada for my Citizenship as 1) Student 2) Work permit 3) PR
I have tried calculating on cic website, but I am little bit confused about some days (No legal status for 6 months, between my work permit expiration and Pr Landing)
Here are my dates in Canada and the date I became PR on 28 June 2018 Valid Until 30 August 2023

1) 01 Jan 2013 to 05 Jan 2015 on Student permit (0 days absence)
2) 05 Jan 2015 to 01 Jan 2018 on Work permit (Around 120 days absence)
3) 06 Jan 2018 to 12 June 2018 - NO LEGAL STATUS (As my work permit extension rejected, Pr application was in processing and Pr confirmation letter received on June 12, 2018)
4) 28 June 2018 to 27 Nov, 2018 (0 absence)
5) 28 Nov 2018 to 15 July 2019 (OUT OF CANADA)
6) 16 July 2019 to 17 Nov, 2019 (0 absence)
7) 18 Nov 2019 to 30 April 2020 (OUT OF CANADA)
8) 1 May 2020 till date..............

Can someone help answering the questions below:
1) Will the NO LEGAL STATUS days be counted?
2) I see On CIC calculator as Only the five (5) years immediately before the date of your application are considered for calculating the physical presence requirement this - If I apply for my Citizenship in 2023, will I loose my days as STUDENT & WORKER days accumulated before 2018? ( I supposed to get 365 days)
3) Is there any advantage for students graduated in Canada, Worked on Work permit, & became PR. Or is it the same 1095 for everyone?
4) Since my family living in USA I am not able to stay continuously in Canada. Will there be any impact on my application?

I would really appreciate some advice, suggestions on this

Thankyou
Anee