PAYEMENT FOR PERMANENT RESIDENCY?

[jdwhite21]

yikes..... I think we should be helping ea. other not getting all worked up over little things... c'mon guys we need support cuz this whole dumb immigration thing is pretty difficult and everybody just wants to make sure they did a good job and get some advice...

 

[alishan]

I beg to differ.

Boncuk is not at all as you assume to be. Here, as well as on the other forum, Boncuk has not only provided information and advice to many people in need, but also has on numerous occasions offered kind words and supportive views. Even when others were being critical toward a certain poster on a thread, it was to be expected of Boncuk to always throw in a voice that is fair and non-judgemental, with a hint of humour. Boncuk is also thorough and precise when it comes to providing information. When I come across Boncuk's comments, it always makes me proud and be appreciative of the kindness.

On the contrary to what you suggested, Boncuk was one of a handful of people, undoubtedly being the strongest voice, on the other forum in not criticising someone's English! While others were mocking a certain poster's not-so-perfect English, Boncuk came into defense of the poster, reminding other members that fluency in English was not to be expected of everyone and criticising it, let alone mocking it, was an intolerable behaviour.

You think it is safe to say that we would all prefer that Boncuk keeps comments to him/herself. I, for one, do not think so. I also think, in my opinion, that calling Boncuk 'submoronic imbecile' and making Boncuk out to be some kind of a bully who 'seeks pleasure in making others feel inferior' was totally uncalled for, not to mention a lack of respect - a distasteful act even when you disagree with someone or want to criticise someone's behaviour, no need to be disrespectful or call the person 'whatever the hell you name is'. That's more a reflection of your psyche than that of the other side.

Boncuk....or whatever the hell your name is

The only drift I am catching is that you appear to be a insecure, pitiful, submoronic imbecile who seeks pleasure in making others feel inferior. As someone pointed out earlier, this is a forum where people come for advice and support. Not to be bullied or made to feel less of a person through ignorant comments made by a foolish person. Clearly, English is not DentistUSA's first language but you failed to realize that fluency in English does not equate to intelligence, otherwise you wouldn't have posted such a dim-witted response. I think it is safe to say that we would all prefer that you keep your disgusting comments to yourself.

 

[Brown-Eyed Beauty]

I beg to differ.

Boncuk is not at all as you assume to be. Here, as well as on the other forum, Boncuk has not only provided information and advice to many people in need, but also has on numerous occasions offered kind words and supportive views. Even when others were being critical toward a certain poster on a thread, it was to be expected of Boncuk to always throw in a voice that is fair and non-judgemental, with a hint of humour. Boncuk is also thorough and precise when it comes to providing information. When I come across Boncuk's comments, it always makes me proud and be appreciative of the kindness.

On the contrary to what you suggested, Boncuk was one of a handful of people, undoubtedly being the strongest voice, on the other forum in not criticising someone's English! While others were mocking a certain poster's not-so-perfect English, Boncuk came into defense of the poster, reminding other members that fluency in English was not to be expected of everyone and criticising it, let alone mocking it, was an intolerable behaviour.

You think it is safe to say that we would all prefer that Boncuk keeps comments to him/herself.  I, for one, do not think so. I also think, in my opinion, that calling Boncuk 'submoronic imbecile' and making Boncuk out to be some kind of a bully who 'seeks pleasure in making others feel inferior' was totally uncalled for, not to mention a lack of respect - a distasteful act even when you disagree with someone or want to criticise someone's behaviour.

Boncuk....or whatever the hell your name is

The only drift I am catching is that you appear to be a insecure, pitiful, submoronic imbecile who seeks pleasure in making others feel inferior. As someone pointed out earlier, this is a forum where people come for advice and support. Not to be bullied or made to feel less of a person through ignorant comments made by a foolish person. Clearly, English is not DentistUSA's first language but you failed to realize that fluency in English does not equate to intelligence, otherwise you wouldn't have posted such a dim-witted response. I think it is safe to say that we would all prefer that you keep your disgusting comments to yourself.

Alishan,

As they say, the writing's on the wall! If Boncuk is all you say he/she is then they wouldn't have posted that demeaning response. It's that simple!

And just to put things in perspective for you, imagine you were desperate to get a clarification on an application procedure and sought out advice but instead in exchange had a vulgar comment thrown at you.

So spare us your skewed personal opinion of Boncuk. What we're dealing with here is a specific situation, so if you want something to talk about I suggest you address that comment, otherwise leave it alone.

 

[Rasha]

Boncuk has over 200 posts on this forum, and has provided tons of support on this and another forum - quite accurately and nonjudgementally as well. BEB, you have two posts under your belt, and have obviously just 'arrived'. It might behove you to do some forum research and actually read a bit before jumping in emotionally - just a simple net etiquette suggestion.

I think Boncuk can stand up for herself quite well - but as my personal friend, I do need to point out that you are barking up the wrong tree and are waaaaaaay off base - No offense, but if you took a few minutes and actually read previous posts of any of the posters in this thread, including the OP [original poster] you would see that.


AND so that we can all be clear here... Dent and several others obviously have not read the instructions of the application well NOR do they read previous posted threads before actually posting their OWN question [hint hint, this is what the search field is for] - I say that, as IF they did, they would not be asking the type of questions they do. Yet and still, people ask the questions and they are answered... After the 50th question has been asked a hundred million ways, it starts to get a bit redundant....

We are all here to help each other and share in this ever so painstaking process - but as they say, God does help those who help themselves.....If people are expecting to be spoon fed constantly, without doing any work themselves, I'm sorry but after a while someone is going to make a comment. I have even seen PMM himself comment on the lack of reading the application instructions to posters.....

 

[Brown-Eyed Beauty]

Boncuk has over 200 posts on this forum, and has provided tons of support on this and another forum - quite accurately and nonjudgementally as well. BEB, you have two posts under your belt, and have obviously just 'arrived'. It might behove you to do some forum research and actually read a bit before jumping in emotionally - just a simple net etiquette suggestion.

I think Boncuk can stand up for herself quite well - but as my personal friend, I do need to point out that you are barking up the wrong tree and are waaaaaaay off base - No offense, but if you took a few minutes and actually read previous posts of any of the posters in this thread, including the OP [original poster] you would see that.


AND so that we can all be clear here... Dent and several others obviously have not read the instructions of the application well NOR do they read previous posted threads before actually posting their OWN question [hint hint, this is what the search field is for] - I say that, as IF they did, they would not be asking the type of questions they do. Yet and still, people ask the questions and they are answered... After the 50th question has been asked a hundred million ways, it starts to get a bit redundant....

We are all here to help each other and share in this ever so painstaking process - but as they say, God does help those who help themselves.....If people are expecting to be spoon fed constantly, without doing any work themselves, I'm sorry but after a while someone is going to make a comment. I have even seen PMM himself comment on the lack of reading the application instructions to posters.....

200 posts does not make up for 1 senseless post. And before you start jumping to conclusion with regards to my "arrival", how but you follow your own advice and do some research first. People come here in search for answers so they do not necessarily have to make a post in order to validate their existence. There are plenty of people here who search for particular topics, get their answers, and move on. So don't give everyone the impression that the number of posts you have "under your belt" reflects your degree of knowledge.

I could care less how many years you've known this person and the degree of your friendship. Just a suggestion, don't be making idle threats that you are not prepared for (i.e. "barking up the wrong tree").

My point here is, there are many ways to say things. Tone and choice of words are key factors when communicating. So if someone is upset about people who ask the same questions over and over again, well, you can either ignore it, or use words that do not come across as being condescending.

 

[Rasha]

200 posts does not make up for 1 senseless post. And before you start jumping to conclusion with regards to my "arrival", how but you follow your own advice and do some research first. People come here in search for answers so they do not necessarily have to make a post in order to validate their existence. There are plenty of people here who search for particular topics, get their answers, and move on. So don't give everyone the impression that the number of posts you have "under your belt" reflects your degree of knowledge.

I could care less how many years you've known this person and the degree of your friendship. Just a suggestion, don't be making idle threats that you are not prepared for (i.e. "barking up the wrong tree").

My point here is, there are many ways to say things. Tone and choice of words are key factors when communicating. So if someone is upset about people who ask the same questions over and over again, well, you can either ignore it, or use words that do not come across as being condescending.

BEB - I did not suggest KNOWLEDGE in way shape or form was based on the number of posts a person has - it does however reflect a certain degree of SITE experience and interaction - why else would it exist in the poster's profile to begin with? Lurkers are a dime a dozen, but unless they voice themselves...'newbie' or not, they are not seen or known. There is no "research to be done - it's really quite academic.

Unless you are suggesting that you normally post by another username, and felt the need to anonymously post ....Does it really matter????? [This is irrelevant, but you raised the point....and I am commenting based on that].

To the point of your original post....and I quote...

Quote from: Brown-Eyed Beauty on May 17, 2009, 06:33:55 pm

Boncuk....or whatever the hell your name is

The only drift I am catching is that you appear to be a insecure, pitiful, submoronic imbecile who seeks pleasure in making others feel inferior. As someone pointed out earlier, this is a forum where people come for advice and support. Not to be bullied or made to feel less of a person through ignorant comments made by a foolish person. Clearly, English is not DentistUSA's first language but you failed to realize that fluency in English does not equate to intelligence, otherwise you wouldn't have posted such a dim-witted response. I think it is safe to say that we would all prefer that you keep your disgusting comments to yourself.

First of all, who's being condescending.....In addition, You made the assumption that Boncuk's comment was based on his use or mis-use of English. And you based your entire three or so posts on that ill-placed assumption. As I said in my previous post....some people don't read (instructions or previous posts) prior to asking questions - as you yourself have suggested you do....[and if you truly did, you would see from his previous posts, the context of the questions, and you would see for yourself that the questions would be easily answered by simply reading the instructions a good once over...] which was what Boncuk was suggesting....

MOREOVER, in the context of the Boncuk's post, her reference was to that effect and nothing more.

Further the context of my relationship to Boncuk is very much warranted in my previous post (whether you care or not) as I know of her character AND what you were accusing her of..was in fact out of line... as IF you knew her as I did - which you don't ... then you would never have even surmised that which you did from her words. She, herself, is married to a non-English native tongued person and is anything but what you accused her of.

Barking up the wrong tree was not a threat, but a comment. You are the one who initiated the conversation with comments you chose to post - and I merely said [as well as another poster or two] that you are out line, it's unwarranted and you really have (had) your facts wrong.

And if your final point was what you were trying to convey initially in your first post...just a note, it wasn't made as clearly as YOU suggest people should be, when communcating.

I really think PMM should post some simple netiquette suggestions - as not just here, but in general, people get way out of line, and tend to ignore common decency [especially here on the net.]

 

[Brown-Eyed Beauty]

200 posts does not make up for 1 senseless post. And before you start jumping to conclusion with regards to my "arrival", how but you follow your own advice and do some research first. People come here in search for answers so they do not necessarily have to make a post in order to validate their existence. There are plenty of people here who search for particular topics, get their answers, and move on. So don't give everyone the impression that the number of posts you have "under your belt" reflects your degree of knowledge.

I could care less how many years you've known this person and the degree of your friendship. Just a suggestion, don't be making idle threats that you are not prepared for (i.e. "barking up the wrong tree").

My point here is, there are many ways to say things. Tone and choice of words are key factors when communicating. So if someone is upset about people who ask the same questions over and over again, well, you can either ignore it, or use words that do not come across as being condescending.

BEB - I did not suggest KNOWLEDGE in way shape or form was based on the number of posts a person has - it does however reflect a certain degree of SITE experience and interaction - why else would it exist in the poster's profile to begin with? Lurkers are a dime a dozen, but unless they voice themselves...'newbie' or not, they are not seen or known. There is no "research to be done - it's really quite academic.

Unless you are suggesting that you normally post by another username, and felt the need to anonymously post ....Does it really matter????? [This is irrelevant, but you raised the point....and I am commenting based on that].

To the point of your original post....and I quote...

Quote from: Brown-Eyed Beauty on May 17, 2009, 06:33:55 pm

Boncuk....or whatever the hell your name is

The only drift I am catching is that you appear to be a insecure, pitiful, submoronic imbecile who seeks pleasure in making others feel inferior. As someone pointed out earlier, this is a forum where people come for advice and support. Not to be bullied or made to feel less of a person through ignorant comments made by a foolish person. Clearly, English is not DentistUSA's first language but you failed to realize that fluency in English does not equate to intelligence, otherwise you wouldn't have posted such a dim-witted response. I think it is safe to say that we would all prefer that you keep your disgusting comments to yourself.

First of all, who's being condescending.....In addition, You made the assumption that Boncuk's comment was based on his use or mis-use of English. And you based your entire three or so posts on that ill-placed assumption. As I said in my previous post....some people don't read (instructions or previous posts) prior to asking questions - as you yourself have suggested you do....[and if you truly did, you would see from his previous posts, the context of the questions, and you would see for yourself that the questions would be easily answered by simply reading the instructions a good once over...] which was what Boncuk was suggesting....

MOREOVER, in the context of the Boncuk's post, her reference was to that effect and nothing more.

Further the context of my relationship to Boncuk is very much warranted in my previous post (whether you care or not) as I know of her character AND what you were accusing her of..was in fact out of line... as IF you knew her as I did - which you don't ... then you would never have even surmised that which you did from her words. She, herself, is married to a non-English native tongued person and is anything but what you accused her of.

Barking up the wrong tree was not a threat, but a comment. You are the one who initiated the conversation with comments you chose to post - and I merely said [as well as another poster or two] that you are out line, it's unwarranted and you really have (had) your facts wrong.

And if your final point was what you were trying to convey initially in your first post...just a note, it wasn't made as clearly as YOU suggest people should be, when communcating.

I really think PMM should post some simple netiquette suggestions - as not just here, but in general, people get way out of line, and tend to ignore common decency [especially here on the net.]

"I really think PMM should post some simple netiquette suggestions - as not just here, but in general, people get way out of line, and tend to ignore common decency [especially here on the net.] "

Actually Rasha, I agree with you 100%. That's exactly how I felt after reading the original post by Bonduc. Look it, It's quite straightforward and I am happy to spare two more minutes of my time to explain to you once again what I meant since judging by your last couple of posts it appears you have a tendency of letting your mouth get ahead of your brain.

Bonduc posted comment and in a roundabout way she was trying to insinuate that DentistUSA was slow or lacking intelligence, I quote "considering the history with dentistusa he seems to need a lot of explanation if you catch my drift". Furthermore, through her tasteless sense of humour, she made an unwarranted assumption that DentistUSA was still incapable of understanding a simple sentence after a previous poster mentioned that they believed he figured it out. For a "newbie" who is first coming on to this forum these types of responses may be viewed as unpleasant and unappealing. The fact that you jumped to this person's defense by trying to interpret and justify the meaning behind those choice words speaks volumes about your character as well.

No explanation is needed regarding Bonduc personal life/situation. It is expected that respect is something everyone is entitled to regardless of who they are married to. Everyone mentions how complicated and stressful the application process is, some people may get overexcited and miss things or may even misunderstand procedures outlined in the guide. That is why they come here for further clarification. The last thing they need is to be insulted. After all, I don't think you would appreciate the wise cracks if you were in the same situation. I am in no way misconstruing or misquoting what Bonduc said (whether she was being sarcastic or not). Basically, it all boils down to having good manners, unfortunately, there are some people out there that forget to attribute this to all aspects of their lives or lack it all together.

 

[Rasha]

BEB - for someone who is concerned with insults being hurled, and who feels that there should be respect in an online FORUM, you hurl a few good ones yourself and don't quite grasp the concept of respect do you?????...perhaps to demand an example you could start by setting one??? Had you actually been constructive and less vile in your approach, I actually might have taken you seriously...even if you didn't post anything until this thread.

If and When Boncuk returns, if she so choses, Boncuk can comment on her own, in her own words. Outside of that, I really have nothing else to say to you, nor do I wish to belabor the point any further.

 

[alishan]

Brown-Eyed Beauty -

Aside from the disagreement we seem to have here among you, Rasha and me regarding 'respect' and 'good manners' I just want to point out one thing in relation to the OP's question and Boncuk's reply (the second part, not the first part which you have already commented extensively about).

You said : "And just to put things in perspective for you, imagine you were desperate to get a clarification on an application procedure and sought out advice but instead in exchange had a vulgar comment thrown at you."

I think there are some people on the forum who pose questions here without first looking into the manuals or guides, as well as some who take 'advice' and 'comments' from here and follow them without double-checking with the manuals or a legal counselor. I think there exists a certain danger in the sense - that while most members may have good intention, there are situations where either the poser didn't clearly state his/her specific situation essential to his/her question therefore leading other members to come to a wrong conclusion or some members weren't too cautious or were being careless therefore misleading the poser.

Now, from my very experience with this process, I hope you agree that it's very important to read carefully the guide and follow the instructions in it. I spent about 5 nights going over the guides and forms and tried to cover all the bases and every single point checked ... there were some parts in the guide that I thought was unclear or didn't make much sense. I searched on this and other fora for some clarifications and explanations and luckily I got some answers thanks to all the members who have contributed in the past. I used the answer with my own discretion but not without first checking the validity of it. Also, BECAUSE I had read the guide carefully and informed myself of the procedure beforehand, I knew when a post was and was not relevant to my own situation. Without this base (the ability to tell the relavancy and whether or not the information is applicable to your circumstances), no matter how well-intentioned or informative the replies of the other members are, you can't really make the best use of this type of forum, not to mention it's downright scary that there can be some unexpected serious consequences coming from these 'advices'.

I'm a firm believer of compassion as well as of learning - if someone tries hard to learn and has a difficulty, by all means, ASK. It's far better to ask than to assume. At the same time, do you not think, for the benefit of the person who's asking the question, it is being kind to first reply back : did you do your homework ?

 

[Brown-Eyed Beauty]

Brown-Eyed Beauty -

Aside from the disagreement we seem to have here among you, Rasha and me regarding 'respect' and 'good manners' I just want to point out one thing in relation to the OP's question and Boncuk's reply (the second part, not the first part which you have already commented extensively about).

You said : "And just to put things in perspective for you, imagine you were desperate to get a clarification on an application procedure and sought out advice but instead in exchange had a vulgar comment thrown at you."

I think there are some people on the forum who pose questions here without first looking into the manuals or guides, as well as some who take 'advice' and 'comments' from here and follow them without double-checking with the manuals or a legal counselor. I think there exists a certain danger in the sense - that while most members may have good intention, there are situations where either the poser didn't clearly state his/her specific situation essential to his/her question therefore leading other members to come to a wrong conclusion or some members weren't too cautious or were being careless therefore misleading the poser.

Now, from my very experience with this process, I hope you agree that it's very important to read carefully the guide and follow the instructions in it. I spent about 5 nights going over the guides and forms and tried to cover all the bases and every single point checked ... there were some parts in the guide that I thought was unclear or didn't make much sense. I searched on this and other fora for some clarifications and explanations and luckily I got some answers thanks to all the members who have contributed in the past. I used the answer with my own discretion but not without first checking the validity of it. Also, BECAUSE I had read the guide carefully and informed myself of the procedure beforehand, I knew when a post was and was not relevant to my own situation. Without this base (the ability to tell the relavancy and whether or not the information is applicable to your circumstances), no matter how well-intentioned or informative the replies of the other members are, you can't really make the best use of this type of forum, not to mention it's downright scary that there can be some unexpected serious consequences coming from these 'advices'.

I'm a firm believer of compassion as well as of learning - if someone tries hard to learn and has a difficulty, by all means, ASK. It's far better to ask than to assume. At the same time, do you not think, for the benefit of the person who's asking the question, it is being kind to first reply back : did you do your homework ?

"At the same time, do you not think, for the benefit of the person who's asking the question, it is being kind to first reply back : did you do your homework ?"

Your idea of kindness appears to be rather skewed. Just so we're clear, the answer to that question would be "NO". By first asking "did you do your homework", comes off as being belittling. This is mainly because you are making an assumption that the person did not bother to read the guide and seek other sources, where in reality it may just be that they missed or misunderstood that part. Further, given the importance of the issue at hand, why wouldn't they go over the guide before delving into the application, which proves that remark to be somewhat inane.

Now, for those people who you described above, I do agree there are some who exist in this forum. However, be that as it may, it still does not warrant rude remarks being thrown their way. Instead of asking them whether they did their homework, you could simply instruct them to check the guide as the answer would be there, THAT is what I would classify as being kind, while thoroughly emphasizing the importance of reviewing all information before posting a question.

There are over a million words in the English language that we could choose to express ourselves, yet it amazes me the certain individuals opt to select vulgar phrases in order to get their point across.

 

[Boncuk]

Woah what did I miss here Dentist usa and i have a history on this forum I have helped them many times as have so many others.. there was nothing vulgar or belittling with my comment as it was a joke.. He has frustrated many of us by asking the same questions over and over by just changing a couple of words.. as much as we are all here to help each other when that person doesn't choose to read the advice that was given in many other threads and than ask the same thing over and over again.. it DOES get frustrating.. I have said as such to be nice and kind and point them in the right direction suggesting they read the guide etc.. once again jumping in where you have no place or understanding of the situation.
For someone who just came on this site out of nowhere.. you have no idea who I am and for you to throw your own CHOICE words at me I quote "you appear to be a insecure, pitiful, submoronic imbecile who seeks pleasure in making others feel inferior" I was in no sense of the word complaining about someone's English.. I am married to someone who's first language isn't English I have many friends who's first language isn't English.. there are many here that don't speak English as a first language but they take the time to READ things and if they do have a question they ask for clarification..
If my words were offending to Dentist than he should take it up with me I certainly didn't mean it as something vulgar or condescending.. just voicing my frustrations. I think you have proven yourself a bully not a mere defender of someone.. I'm quite taken aback that someone would go this far to make a point.. I don't have to defend my character to someone who I have no correspondence with and I am confident in the person I am and the help I do give to people in this forum and others.

Thanks for the kind words alishan and ofcourse my dear friend Rasha.. I don't have the time nor one minutiae of energy to waste on this when we are all waiting for good news..

Dentistusa if you have anything to say to me say it to me in private.. I'm sure you are goodhearted enough to understand my frustration and joking with you

Brown-Eyed Beauty you want to bash me some more go ahead.. I don't need your insults as well. "There are over a million words in the English language that we could choose to express ourselves, yet it amazes me the certain individuals opt to select vulgar phrases in order to get their point across" Practice what you preach

 

[Brown-Eyed Beauty]

Woah what did I miss here Dentist usa and i have a history on this forum I have helped them many times as have so many others.. there was nothing vulgar or belittling with my comment as it was a joke.. He has frustrated many of us by asking the same questions over and over by just changing a couple of words.. as much as we are all here to help each other when that person doesn't choose to read the advice that was given in many other threads and than ask the same thing over and over again.. it DOES get frustrating.. I have said as such to be nice and kind and point them in the right direction suggesting they read the guide etc.. once again jumping in where you have no place or understanding of the situation.
For someone who just came on this site out of nowhere.. you have no idea who I am and for you to throw your own CHOICE words at me I quote "you appear to be a insecure, pitiful, submoronic imbecile who seeks pleasure in making others feel inferior" I was in no sense of the word complaining about someone's English.. I am married to someone who's first language isn't English I have many friends who's first language isn't English.. there are many here that don't speak English as a first language but they take the time to READ things and if they do have a question they ask for clarification..
If my words were offending to Dentist than he should take it up with me I certainly didn't mean it as something vulgar or condescending.. just voicing my frustrations.  I think you have proven yourself a bully not a mere defender of someone.. I'm quite taken aback that someone would go this far to make a point.. I don't have to defend my character to someone who I have no correspondence with and I am confident in the person I am and the help I do give to people in this forum and others.  

Thanks for the kind words alishan and ofcourse my dear friend Rasha.. I don't have the time nor one minutiae of energy to waste on this when we are all waiting for good news..

Dentistusa if you have anything to say to me say it to me in private.. I'm sure you are goodhearted enough to understand my frustration and joking with you

Brown-Eyed Beauty you want to bash me some more go ahead.. I don't need your insults as well. "There are over a million words in the English language that we could choose to express ourselves, yet it amazes me the certain individuals opt to select vulgar phrases in order to get their point across" Practice what you preach

You seem to have some nerve insulting the OP and doing it in an meandering way so that they may not fully understand. Moreover, you add insult to injury by addressing the comment to everyone else as if we all would agree with your despicable opinion. You see, you thought you could get a way with making a disrespectful comment  but I was not about to let that slide without checking you first. A word of advice, next time you feel the need to substantiate your self-worth, I suggest doing some volunteering, at least that way, you are positively contributing to the community.

 

[Boncuk]

lol Have a nice day

 

[jdwhite21]

I agree Boncuk.. Have a nice day

 

[nguyentu2001]

ha ha so are we still talking about payment here or what?! ha ha
Finally it was my fault that you guys worked up to this argument. Please accept my apology and move on. We have more serious stuff to talk about here.

By the way, i do agree that a person should read the guide carefully before asking questions. Can not rely on people to help if you don't even care to read.

Cheers,