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Oath of allegiance to Queen stays as requirement to obtain citizenship

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Would-be Canadians will have to keep taking an oath to the Queen after the Supreme Court of Canada on Thursday refused to hear a challenge to the citizenship requirement. The decision by the top court leaves intact an Ontario Court of Appeal ruling that upheld the "symbolic" oath.

At issue is a provision in the Citizenship Act that requires would-be citizens to swear to be "faithful and bear true allegiance to Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, her heirs and successors." The challenge to the requirement was launched by Michael McAteer, Simone Topey and Dror Bar-Natan — longtime permanent residents who want to obtain citizenship but, for different reasons, do not want to pledge allegiance to the monarchy.

Informed of the Supreme Court decision that ends the battle, McAteer, 81, of Toronto, said he was disappointed but not surprised. "It's been a long haul," said McAteer, a staunch republican who came to Canada from Ireland 51 years ago. "(But) I feel the same: If the oath stands, then I won't take Canadian citizenship."

Topey, a Jamaican Rastafarian, said her religion forbids taking an oath to the Queen. Bar-Natan, an Israeli, argued that the oath represents entrenched privilege he opposes. The federal government maintained that taking the oath has been around since Confederation. In September 2013, a lower court judge ruled that any charter violation caused by the oath requirement could be justified in a democratic society. The Ontario Court of Appeal affirmed that decision last year.


Source: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/oath-of-allegiance-to-queen-stays-as-requirement-to-obtain-citizenship-1.2973619

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Well, coming from the US, I always identified Canada with being a Commonwealth nation and having ties to the UK Monarchy. It was one of the big things that distinguished itself from the US (the US revolted while Canada stayed loyal). So the oath to the Queen always made sense to me. Jut my opinion however.
 

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There is nothing to think really. These people knew Canada is a commonwealth country based on democratic monarchy that is enshrined in the constitution. So these people now want to change it because it doesn't suit their thoughts/beliefs. So as long as it requires a constitutional amendment to remove the Queen/King as head of state of Canada, they will have to accept the fact that they have to pledge allegiance to the Queen if they want to become Canadian. If they don't like it, they are free to remain PR.

I can understand the arguments if their oath to the queen was made after Canada was an independent republic and decided to pledge allegiance to the Queen. That I can see. However this is not the case. Canada was and still to this day a democratic monarchy with Queen/King as head of state.
 

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I have no issues with this. I was born in Canada - but ended up reconfirming (?) myself when my husband took the oath in December and those of us who were already Canadian citizens were encourage to say the oath along with them.

There are way bigger problems in this world than the monarchy mention in our oath.

I think it's sort of sad someone spent years (and likely quite a bit of money) trying to fight this when that time and energey could have been put towards a more worthwhile (in my opinion) cause. But it's obviously a free world...
 

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As a Brit, I'm looking forward to reading some of the responses to this post, but can see it going down hill quickly!

For my own part, I've barely lived in the UK since 2008 and I'm from a small town. The monarchy is simply something I have never really paid much attention to.

Some things live on as tradition; for example, a lot of Brits get married in churches 'in front of God', yet my friend who have done this are not religious at all. They tend to get married in a church because it's traditional and because churches are beautiful.

If and when I get the opportunity to make my oath, I imagine I would treat it in the same fashion as if I had to put my hand on a bible in court. It's simply something I would be doing to appease the requirements. It's not like I would have to suddenly start defending the queen (or the bible).

If things change, or remain the same, I really don't care. I don't believe it's something that will ever bother me.

It will be interesting to see what happens post-Elizabeth.
 

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arowberry said:
It will be interesting to see what happens post-Elizabeth.
Only thing change post Elizabeth is that instead of oath to the Queen, it will be oath to the King. It would be Charles or his son Prince William, if Charles pass away before Queen Elizabeth.

New bank notes / coins would all have to be issued with the King portrait.
 

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arowberry said:
It will be interesting to see what happens post-Elizabeth.
Prince Charles' popularity is lukewarm at best here. Support for the monarchy would decrease if he is King and you would see a spike in rhetoric about breaking the ties to the monarchy. Will (and Kate) are quite popular. Some suggested that Charles should let the crown passed over him directly to William but that talk is foolish.
 

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keesio said:
Prince Charles' popularity is lukewarm at best here. Support for the monarchy would decrease if he is King and you would see a spike in rhetoric about breaking the ties to the monarchy. Will (and Kate) are quite popular. Some suggested that Charles should let the crown passed over him directly to William but that talk is foolish.
Charles is not going to abdicate the throne. He knows his son William will get the throne regardless. Abdicating the throne would be big news if that changes the succession to the throne completely. If Charles has no children of his own, abdicating the throne would shift the lineage to his younger brother, Andrew.

Prince Edward VIII was the last prince to abdicate the throne. This shifted the lineage to his brother Albert, who became King George VI, Queen Elizabeth's father.
 

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Charles is not going to abdicate the throne. He knows his son William will get the throne regardless. Abdicating the throne would be big news if that changes the succession to the throne completely. If Charles has no children of his own, abdicating the throne would shift the lineage to his younger brother, Andrew.
Oh yeah, I totally agree. I was just commenting on Charles' popularity here and how some people who are on the fence about the monarchy would shift to go against it if Charles became king... and that to change their minds, they feel Charles should let William become king. Like I said it is foolish talk. Not only is it just foolish in general but also I highly doubt Charles really cares what these fence-sitters think (or at least care enough to even remotely entertain such a crazy thought)
 

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keesio said:
Prince Charles' popularity is lukewarm at best here. Support for the monarchy would decrease if he is King and you would see a spike in rhetoric about breaking the ties to the monarchy. Will (and Kate) are quite popular. Some suggested that Charles should let the crown passed over him directly to William but that talk is foolish.
That's exactly my point. The feeling is typically the same in the UK (and Australia) as well. Interested to seeing the response when it becomes a reality.

I can picture my Grandma throwing a hissy fit if/when Charles becomes King; she's already been in local news back home whilst defending Diana...
 

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Oh yeah, I totally agree. I was just commenting on Charles' popularity here and how some people who are on the fence about the monarchy would shift to go against it if Charles became king... and that to change their minds, they feel Charles should let William become king. Like I said it is foolish talk. Not only is it just foolish in general but also I highly doubt Charles really cares what these fence-sitters think (or at least care enough to even remotely entertain such a crazy thought)
Charles is not going to ask the Queen to skip over him to his son Williams for popularity's sake. Even if he were to do that, it would set a precedent, something the Royal Family would try to avoid at all cost.
 

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Glad to see that some showed interest in a topic other than counting days to oath or citizenship application logistics :)

As for me, I have no problem whatsoever to take an oath to the Queen. While I disagree with those individuals who challenge this oath, I still admire them for dealing with the oath seriously and refusing to take it unless they are 100% confident about it. I'm sure many out there think of the oath as just a formality to get the citizenship and don't think seriously about its implications.

My two cents ;)
 
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As a multiple citizen a mere oath to the queen is not an issue. As long as Canada still recognize the Queen as it's sovereign ruler it is only fitting and proper to pledge an alliance to her. As a British Canadian it's just one way of respecting our English roots and heritage. Those who don't want to do the pledge for whatever political ideological religious or personal convictions should ask themselves why are you still in Canada you are free to go back from whatever place you want that is not govern by the queen
 

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As a multiple citizen a mere oath to the queen is not an issue. As long as Canada still recognize the Queen as it's sovereign ruler it is only fitting and proper to pledge an alliance to her. As a British Canadian it's just one way of respecting our English roots and heritage. Those who don't want to do the pledge for whatever political ideological religious or personal convictions should ask themselves why are you still in Canada you are free to go back from whatever place you want that is not govern by the queen
well said! wonder why some particular roots people complain on such topics, here including personal appearance, wearing specific garments and so on.
No discrimination in here, swear to God.