Notes from AITP

[sindhugururaj]

Hi
i just received the GCMS notes for my dads TRV refusal and there is one sentence which goes like this

Inviter submitted NOA that is indicated as $0.00 CAD not established. unsure how she will be able to host applicant for 2 months . Applicant is retired with fixed income. no travel history. Limited ties to country of residance. I am not satisfied applicant is a bona fide visitor who will leave canada at the end of the authorized stay. Refused.

and also refused with the reasons saying, did not provide documents for applicants financial support and ties to home country

my dad submitted the below documents:
1. bank statement
2. FD statement
3. pension statement
4. house sale deed document
5. NOC from my mother

my husband was the invitor:
1. invite letter
2. NOA
3. PR CARd and passport
4. my pr card and passport

please help

thank you

 

[Ninirae]

Hi There, is this for your dad or for your husband's dad? I'm assuming you do not have any income, otherwise your NOA wouldn't have stated $0? If this is your parent, but your husband is the invitor,(as is our situation), it is recommended that you be the one to invite your dad, but have your husband provided a declaration of promise to support you and your dad. That's what we've done (but we're still waiting, so I don't know if it will work), as it's my husband's mother, but he does not meet the LICO requirements.

Hi
i just received the GCMS notes for my dads TRV refusal and there is one sentence which goes like this

Inviter submitted NOA that is indicated as $0.00 CAD not established. unsure how she will be able to host applicant for 2 months . Applicant is retired with fixed income. no travel history. Limited ties to country of residance. I am not satisfied applicant is a bona fide visitor who will leave canada at the end of the authorized stay. Refused.

and also refused with the reasons saying, did not provide documents for applicants financial support and ties to home country

my dad submitted the below documents:
1. bank statement
2. FD statement
3. pension statement
4. house sale deed document
5. NOC from my mother

my husband was the invitor:
1. invite letter
2. NOA
3. PR CARd and passport
4. my pr card and passport

please help

thank you

 

[sindhugururaj]

the applicant is my father. my husband provided the invite letter.
my husband is being employed since Jan 2016 and he landed as a PR in December 2015.
i have been working since April 2016 and landed as a PR in March 2016.
we both provided our income details and employement letters with salary. and in the invite letter we have speicifcally mentioned he would be staying for 4 weeks not 2 months.

 

[Bryanna]

Hi Sindhu,

1. You and your husband should have invited your dad + included your marriage certificate.

2. You should have included your and your husband's bank statements with adequate funds (as your invitation letter states you will pay for his accommodation and travel/living expenses).

3. Nonetheless, as a TRV applicant, your dad must prove that he has the funds to afford his visit.

4. An NOC from your mom is not required because your dad is not a minor who is dependent on your mom.

5. "Limited ties to country of residence": IMO, your dad does not have any real, active ties to return to. This is because:
a. Your mom has a valid TRV = Your dad does not have family ties to India per se.

b. Property ownership documents amended shortly before applying to include your dad's name. This is an immovable asset owned with your mom. If the property was leased then he could've shown it as a strong tie.

c. As a pensioner, your dad does not have any employment or business ties.

6. Does his bank balance match his pension? Or were some of the funds transferred/parked for some months before applying?

7. Do the FDs match his pension i.e. if considered along with his bank balance?


Cheers

 

[sindhugururaj]

Hi Sindhu,

1. You and your husband should have invited your dad + included your marriage certificate.

2. You should have included your and your husband's bank statements with adequate funds (as your invitation letter states you will pay for his accommodation and travel/living expenses).
i transferred all money to my husbands account because he is the inviter. his bank statement had around 10k CAD
but we both provided our employement letters along with salary details.

3. Nonetheless, as a TRV applicant, your dad must prove that he has the funds to afford his visit.
He had FD created 4 months back.

4. An NOC from your mom is not required because your dad is not a minor who is dependent on your mom.

5. "Limited ties to country of residence": IMO, your dad does not have any real, active ties to return to. This is because:
a. Your mom has a valid TRV = Your dad does not have family ties to India per se.
what documents should be provided as a proof of ties
b. Property ownership documents amended shortly before applying to include your dad's name. This is an immovable asset owned with your mom. If the property was leased then he could've shown it as a strong tie.
property ownership document was not amended . it was given as is. its a joint ownership of both my mom and dad

c. As a pensioner, your dad does not have any employment or business ties.
how to prove ties.

6. Does his bank balance match his pension? Or were some of the funds transferred/parked for some months before applying?
funds like 5000 Rs were transferred every month

7. Do the FDs match his pension i.e. if considered along with his bank balance?
FDs are his savings.

Cheers

in the application form its mentioned that his mom(my grandmother) stays in the same address where my dad is residing. and also provided his brothers and sisters address and contact details.

this means he wont get visa for ever? not even super visa?

 

[sindhugururaj]

also in the notes which they sent(90 pages) they have sent all documents which were submitted as part of application.
but they have not sent any of my husbands documents like bank statement, noa, employment letter etc...

should i reply them back? or shud i consider those documents missing. my dad has submitted all those to vfs.

 

[Bryanna]

i transferred all money to my husbands account because he is the inviter.
his bank statement had around 10k CAD

Again, the invitation letter should've been from both of you.

He had FD created 4 months back.

Does the FD amount + bank balance = His pension. If yes then how many months of his pension amount is this equal to?

what documents should be provided as a proof of ties

1. Do you have any unmarried siblings who live with your parents?

2. Can your mom prove that she will NOT visit Canada at the same time when your dad visits?

it was given as is. its a joint ownership of both my mom and dad

I thought it was owned only by your mom earlier.

As a pensioner, your dad does not have any employment or business ties.
how to prove ties.

1. Does your dad have to renew his pension every year?

2. Does he have to provide a life certificate?

its mentioned that his mom(my grandmother) stays in the same address where my dad is residing

1. Can your dad prove that he takes care of your grandmom financially + for her well-being?

2. Do his siblings live in the same city or can they take care of your grandmom when your dad visits?

this means he wont get visa for ever? not even super visa?

For a TRV:
Your dad must prove he has strong ties to return to India + good financial situation + shorter visit of 2-3 weeks max

For a Super Visa:
You and your husband must meet LICO (if you do not meet LICO alone) + other eligibility criteria + your dad must still prove he has strong ties to return to

 

[sindhugururaj]

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He had FD created 4 months back.
Does the FD amount + bank balance = His pension. If yes then how many months of his pension amount is this equal to?
--- how to prove this?


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what documents should be provided as a proof of ties
1. Do you have any unmarried siblings who live with your parents?
i am the only daughter. no siblings


2. Can your mom prove that she will NOT visit Canada at the same time when your dad visits?
how to prove? she will not visit when my dad will visit. she has her sisters living . but her parents are deceased. she is receiving pension.



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As a pensioner, your dad does not have any employment or business ties.
how to prove ties.
1. Does your dad have to renew his pension every year?
yes

2. Does he have to provide a life certificate?
yes


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its mentioned that his mom(my grandmother) stays in the same address where my dad is residing
1. Can your dad prove that he takes care of your grandmom financially + for her well-being?
how to prove? she stayed in the same apartment. my dad takes care of everything including rent, food , her medicine etc....
in the application he had mentioned it.(in the family section)

but now my grandmom is shifted to his sisters place. she no longer lives with him.

2. Do his siblings live in the same city or can they take care of your grandmom when your dad visits?
yes 2 of them stay in the same city . the other one stays outside.


For a Super Visa:
You and your husband must meet LICO (if you do not meet LICO alone) + other eligibility criteria + your dad must still prove he has strong ties to return to
i have around 65k CAD per year . and working in canada since April 2016(permanent Job). we are a family of 3 (me, my husband and my 2 year old daughter)

what documents should he provide to prove his strong ties.?

thank you so much for the response.

 

[Bryanna]

Does the FD amount + bank balance = His pension. If yes then how many months of his pension amount is this equal to?
--- how to prove this?

The simplest way is if there were no large deposits + the bank balance/FDs were all saved up from his pension deposits.

how to prove? she will not visit when my dad will visit. she has her sisters living . but her parents are deceased. she is receiving pension.

If your mom has property/pension/family commitments which do not allow her to travel.

But again, as your mom already has a TRV + your dad's family ties to India are not strong..... mentioning that your mom will stay back will not really help.

Does your dad have to renew his pension every year?
yes

If your dad must return shortly after his Canada visit to renew his pension then do include evidence for this.

but now my grandmom is shifted to his sisters place. she no longer lives with him.

Then your grandmom is not dependent on your dad anymore.


IMO, your dad must not reapply for some months until he establishes more stronger ties + better financial situation

 

[sindhugururaj]

IMO, your dad must not reapply for some months until he establishes more stronger ties + better financial situation
- how to establish stronger ties? he has health insurance in India. and joint property.

thanks

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from the Notes which were sent there are some documents missing like invitors bank statement, employment letters , PR card and passport.
is there is possibility that documents have not been reached CIC?

 

[riasat.abir]

the applicant is my father. my husband provided the invite letter.
my husband is being employed since Jan 2016 and he landed as a PR in December 2015.
i have been working since April 2016 and landed as a PR in March 2016.
we both provided our income details and employement letters with salary. and in the invite letter we have speicifcally mentioned he would be staying for 4 weeks not 2 months.

I faced similar experience last year like yours.
My wife invited my parents to visit us and attend her convocation.
But the vo didn't find that compelling along with travel history, financial assets and country ties.

You can show your husband's fund but it should be you to invite them.
I am planning to invite my parents again next year.

 

[sindhugururaj]

thank you.riasat.abir
but my husband invited my mother in Jan 2016 and she got the visa with very very minimal documents.

can the documents of my husband go missing before it reached embassy? first the application was submitted to VFS .

 

[Bryanna]

can the documents of my husband go missing before it reached embassy? first the application was submitted to VFS .

No, it is not possible that your husband's documents went missing before it reached the visa office.

VFS staff immediately seal/bag the documents along with the VFS receipt. They will not tamper with your dad's application. They have ethical practices and quality checks.

Quite honestly, your dad's chances of getting a TRV are low as his bank balance/FDs don't match his pension + he does not have strong ties to India. Your mom, on the other hand, has stronger ties

 

[sindhugururaj]

thank you.

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