No Reference Letter from Employer? You need to listen to this.
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Depressing as that podcast is (and probably from a fairly reliable source as well), it's not the last word on the topic.
The way I see it, it is a risk either way. Either the applicant takes the risk of having a discussion with their current employer (and the outcomes that may follow such a discussion) or they try and submit an affidavit wherein their job responsibilities are vouched for by someone who has worked/is working closely with them in their current job. The same logic extends to former employers naturally.
Undoubtedly, the best document is the one which has all information required by CIC neatly provided in the form of a reference letter. But the fallback option can and should be attempted in the absence of a reference letter. What's the worst that can happen? Getting refused? That'll happen even if you don't submit the reference letter. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Just my $0.02
The way I see it, it is a risk either way. Either the applicant takes the risk of having a discussion with their current employer (and the outcomes that may follow such a discussion) or they try and submit an affidavit wherein their job responsibilities are vouched for by someone who has worked/is working closely with them in their current job. The same logic extends to former employers naturally.
Undoubtedly, the best document is the one which has all information required by CIC neatly provided in the form of a reference letter. But the fallback option can and should be attempted in the absence of a reference letter. What's the worst that can happen? Getting refused? That'll happen even if you don't submit the reference letter. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Just my $0.02
I think there is a difference between requesting such a letter from the current versus the former employers. In the case of the current employer, disclosing the reason for such a letter (which you would probably have to do) would have implications for your continued employment with the company whether or not your PR application is eventually successful. Obviously, if you intend to get out of the country, you are indirectly indicating that you do not wish to continue working for the company. They will not fire you immediately obviously. But if your PR is unsuccessful, and the time comes for your contract renewal, or promotion, you will probably be in a disadvantage to say the least, unless you are an extremely valuable employee in the company.
In the case of a former employer, at least that layer of concern does not exist.
In the case of a former employer, at least that layer of concern does not exist.
Asivad Anac said:
Fair point.ybjianada said:
With former employers there are other problems that exist. The company might have closed, key personnel might have moved out, the applicant might have left on a bitter note, there might be any number and kind of insurmountable differences including location, lack of personal rapport, lack of willingness on the part of the former employer...
The risks are real be it present or past employer.
What do you think of a situation when a former company no longer exists, but a former supervisor is willing to provide a letter that conforms to all requirements? I worked for the regional division of one of the largest companies in the world, but after I left, it sold the division to another company - the deal was written about by major news sources, and I can even provide a printout of the company website where it announces the deal. The new owner laid off many people and now I don't know anyone that works there, and I'm not sure if I can get a letter from the company since it is legally not the same company I worked for. But my former boss, who works at another company now, is willing to sign a letter outlining my duties and confirm my salary, dates, etc. I also have paystubs and contracts from my former employer.Asivad Anac said:
What? So everyone who got PR submitted fully detailed reference letters? This doesn't make sense. Surely people who have submitted legit affidavits notarised by ex-colleagues had gone through. Let's not panic.
My current employer refused to give employment letter for PR application ...So I have submitted my application with out detailed reference letter...In absence of detailed letter, I have submitted following documents.
1) Employment letter that I have received for TRV Visa extension-Only missing roles and responsibilites
2)Employment Letter that I have received for work permit extension - it has roles and responsibilites but that document issued for work permit extension..5 page document ..so not sure VO will read last page where it has roles and responsibilites mentioned..Both documents are company letter head..
3) secondment employment letter That I have received during my duptation from India to Canada..
4) T4 and notice of assessments
5) Pay slips for all months..
6) Immediate Manager reference letter-it has all information required for CIC ..but the problem is that it is not on company letter head.
And also I enclosed emails that I have sent to my HR requesting employment letter....in the explanation letter I explained everything...
If CIC rejects application even with all above documents we cannot do any thing....
I hope I don't loose 5000 dollars.(PNP 1500,PR Fee 2000,Ielts for 2- 600,WES 500) due to this Refernce otter thing...
1) Employment letter that I have received for TRV Visa extension-Only missing roles and responsibilites
2)Employment Letter that I have received for work permit extension - it has roles and responsibilites but that document issued for work permit extension..5 page document ..so not sure VO will read last page where it has roles and responsibilites mentioned..Both documents are company letter head..
3) secondment employment letter That I have received during my duptation from India to Canada..
4) T4 and notice of assessments
5) Pay slips for all months..
6) Immediate Manager reference letter-it has all information required for CIC ..but the problem is that it is not on company letter head.
And also I enclosed emails that I have sent to my HR requesting employment letter....in the explanation letter I explained everything...
If CIC rejects application even with all above documents we cannot do any thing....
I hope I don't loose 5000 dollars.(PNP 1500,PR Fee 2000,Ielts for 2- 600,WES 500) due to this Refernce otter thing...
You are unlikely to lose any money because of this.stak said:
You already have a PN and 600 additional points. Even if for some reason, CIC refuses you points for this work experience (very unlikely for that to happen) you would still have enough points.
All the best!