Need your advice ASAP please

[dandash]

Hi ,

I need your advice guys . My husband finishes his 1095 in days .. while I will be able to apply June 20 .
The thing is that we wanted to apply as a family (2 adults & 1 child) , but my husband wants to apply the soonest cuz of a family issue back home.

The question is if he applies for him and my daughter , would that affect my application when I apply in June ? I'm just worried that it may raise a flag. I don't know how things work in CIC. .

The other question should he include my daughter in his application ? or I keep my daughter in mine ?

When I apply by myself, do I include his NOA and his T4s as a proof in my application ?! as i don't work

I really appreciate your help ... We are debating wither to wait for us or go ahead and apply .

 

[eileenf]

Many families apply separately. There is nothing wrong with choosing whatever option is best for your family. I have never heard that applying separately (due to different entry dates or dates of presence in Canada) was a risk factor for delays or RQ.

Regarding whose application to include your daughter on, I would suggest to try to put her with the applicant who will get citizenship first. However, it is always a gamble to guess who that might be. There are huge disparities in the processing times of applications due to many factors which have nothing to due with the qualifications of the applicants.

Good luck.

 

[dandash]

Thanks eileenf for your reply .

Can I use his NOA and his T4s as a proof of living here in my application?!

 

[armaan.ahhmad]

Hi Dandas,

You cannot use your husband's documents as proof of residence for yourself. If you have no travels or have clear entry/exit stamps in English on your passport, you should be okay without sending any extra documents. Just tell CIC in the application that you are a homemaker.

Hope this helps.

Thanks eileenf for your reply .

Can I use his NOA and his T4s as a proof of living here in my application?!

 

[jujuberanch]

What???? No!

Thanks eileenf for your reply .

Can I use his NOA and his T4s as a proof of living here in my application?!

 

[dandash]

Then is the entry/exits on passports and my kids school records enough ?!I mean I'm a house wife & my source of income is from my husband that's all .

 

[Aspat]

Then is the entry/exits on passports and my kids school records enough ?!I mean I'm a house wife & my source of income is from my husband that's all .

Ditto. If the new law doesn't come into force, I'll qualify in Dec '14. Would love to know what documents I should start gathering in readiness.

 

[eileenf]

NOAs and T4s are not required as of yet for application, so I personally don't recommend sending them.
The list of required documents is here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/CIT0002ETOC.asp#CIT0002E4

If you get an RQ or a request to provide documents that do not exist (i.e. T4s for work outside the home when you do not work outside the home), you will not be able to provide them. You cannot provide documents which do not exist and the CIC should not deny you citizenship based on your inability to provide something which does not exist. Explain in a cover letter that you are a stay at home parent (or unemployed, or volunteer, or whatever the situation may be) and thus you do not have T4s. Try to provide any other documentation you have of your life in Canada, like letters from organisations you might volunteer from, religious leaders if you regularly attend religious services, medical records, pharmacy records, dental records, banking records, any bills that are in your name, your children's school or daycare records, etc.

Also, I would imagine (though I could be wrong) that your name is on your husbands official tax filings and that you are filing taxes as a married couple, rather than as separate individuals. If that is the case, I would think (though I'm not sure) that you would receive a Notice of Assessment as well.

 

[Aspat]

Thanks Eileen.

I do have NOAs - with zero income. Haven't volunteered but my kids go for tennis, music and dance lessons where I'm seen regularly. Would a letter from these institutes stating that hold any value?

I can get OHIP records - visit the doctor once in 3 months or so, depending on the need.

Utility bills, bank and credit card statements are in my name but from what I've read, they don't accept those as concrete proof of residence...?

 

[keesio]

OHIP records, dental records, and other proofs that require presence are best (like blood donation). Yes, you are correct regarding banking records, credit card bills and such. They are not as good since anyone can use your cards and deposit/withdraw on your behalf. But they are better than nothing.

 

[Aspat]

Meet the teachers at school only during Parent Teacher conferences. Don't visit the school so regularly that I'm recognized there.

My son has regular (once in 2 months) appointments with the orthodontist and I'm the one who accompanies him - as the orthodontist can vouch for. Will that help?

Most stay-at-home moms are probably more connected with their children's activities than their own.

 

[chakrab]

Thanks Eileen.

I do have NOAs - with zero income. Haven't volunteered but my kids go for tennis, music and dance lessons where I'm seen regularly. Would a letter from these institutes stating that hold any value?

I can get OHIP records - visit the doctor once in 3 months or so, depending on the need.

Utility bills, bank and credit card statements are in my name but from what I've read, they don't accept those as concrete proof of residence...?

you do need photocopies of your work records according to the form. so it is best to send the T4 and NOA.

 

[Aspat]

Hi chakrab,

I don't work, so no records for the same.

 

[eileenf]

you do need photocopies of your work records according to the form. so it is best to send the T4 and NOA.

Where does it say that? Yes, they are needed for the RQ, but I don't see that on the current list of documents required: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/CIT0002ETOC.asp#CIT0002E4

Work outside the home is not a requirement for citizenship. Work records are often used as a proxy for records of residence.

Meet the teachers at school only during Parent Teacher conferences. Don't visit the school so regularly that I'm recognized there.

Your child's official school records are a manner to show your child's residence, which is indicative (but not conclusive) of your residence. It's not a question of whether they can vouch for you personally, but whether the report cards show that your child was present in school.

My son has regular (once in 2 months) appointments with the orthodontist and I'm the one who accompanies him - as the orthodontist can vouch for. Will that help?

If you get an RQ or CIT 520 (RQ lite), that would be helpful.

Most stay-at-home moms are probably more connected with their children's activities than their own.

This is true! Being a stay at home parent doesn't make one less qualified for citizenship!

I do have NOAs - with zero income.

That's fine. When the new Citizenship Bill passes, you can submit those and thus fulfill the upcoming requirement regarding NOAs. It doesn't matter how much they are for. If two parents decide that one will work and one will stay home, that doesn't mean the worker is more qualified to vote for the child's school board while the stay at home parent is disenfranchised.

Haven't volunteered but my kids go for tennis, music and dance lessons where I'm seen regularly. Would a letter from these institutes stating that hold any value?

Depending on which organization offers the lessons (the more "official" the better) these could be helpful in the event of an RQ or CIT 520. Letters can be forged, so CIC doesn't put 100% faith in them, but if you get RQ, they won't hurt and they will help create the picture of your daily life here.

I can get OHIP records - visit the doctor once in 3 months or so, depending on the need.

Again, this could be helpful for RQ, but it is not required or recommended to send a bunch of extra documents beyond the requirements just for the application.

Utility bills, bank and credit card statements are in my name but from what I've read, they don't accept those as concrete proof of residence...?

I submitted diaper service delivery bills with my RQ. And the interviewer said I put together a good RQ. You've got to use what you've got and I had someone picking up a sack of dirty diapers from my (then) squalling newborn. Utility bills and credit cards and banks are not "primary" documentation of residence in the way that records of daily employment at a physical workplace or health records or pharmacy prescription receipts or receipts from visits to a consulate or even speeding tickets are (the police officer saw you and gave you a ticket), but you use what you've got.

Occasionally I see posts on here from people purporting to be "perfect immigrants" because they make a lot of money working at a Canadian company. They want to know how incredibly quickly their application for citizenship will be processed as recompense for their perfection. That's bull. There's no such thing as a perfect person, much less a perfect immigrant. And if one of those rich guys (usually guys) has a stay-at-home wife cooking all his meals and raising his children and facilitating his money-making, I regret that he thinks so poorly of people such as his wife as to suggest that she is less deserving of the right to vote than he.

Work records function as a stand-in for residence records, nothing more, nothing less. Sometimes the CIC will ask how an applicant supports themselves if they do not have steady work. If your spouse supports you financially, then say that your spouse supports you financially. This is not to pass judgement on their value as an immigrant, but to get a fuller picture of their residence here and whether they're telling a plausible story. Work records are not a qualification in themselves and they don't make someone perfect or imperfect.

 

[keesio]

Work records function as a stand-in for residence records, nothing more, nothing less. Sometimes the CIC will ask how an applicant supports themselves if they do not have steady work. This is not to pass judgement on their value as an immigrant, but to get a fuller picture of their residence here and whether they're telling a plausible story. Work records are not a qualification in themselves and they don't make someone perfect or imperfect.

Absolutely. Strong employment records are "perfect" only for helping prove residency. And it has to be a certain type - long time full-time employment for preferably a large employer in a profession that demands your physical presence (Like a health professional working for a major hospital). Basically you are not going to have a job for long if you don't show up for those types of jobs. That is why CIC prefers that.