National Identity Document

[Sees]

What do they mean by national document? Is it my ID Residence Permit of the country I’m living in? Or my national identification doc from my citizenship country ?


Please advise. It would be really helpful. TIA

 

[Bryanna]

Hello, everyone! I would like to apply for TRV for myself shortly as my sister is graduating in Canada. I am quite concerned about some points before applying and would appreciate advice on this.


Case - Myself

25 year old, Indian born and brought up in Saudi with legal resident permit. I will be applying for my sister’s graduation day and I have the invitation letter from her college.

Firstly, I applied for UK Visa last year 2018 and was refused. Reasons of rejection were because of my mother being the principal applicant and her reasons were that there was no proper relation showed from the invitation letter which was basically issued by my uncle who is supposedly my mother’s first cousin. Secondly, due to no reflect of his salary income in bank statement as not being shown correctly or missing deposit slips. It was my father who was sponsoring our trip but he used to get his salary in cash and he used to deposit in bank same day or sometimes after a week or so. Somehow, it wasn’t strictly being deposited on the same date. But, we had a record of pay slips and deposit slips.

My reasons of UK rejection were: Travel for just 10 days accompanying mother for family visit And, secondly I’m supported by my father and have no other income on my own.


Question 1

Do I have to mention my UK refusal or not? I was traveling for 10 days for UK to attend my aunt’s daughter’s wedding but since it was our very first time we didn’t know how to apply correctly so we didn’t mention the marriage event for which we planned to go as we also intended to visit family relatives of my mom’s side.


Question 2

No funds available on your own was second rejection for UK and I don’t want to take any risks for my Canada application.

I am currently and was still working when I applied for UK but like I mentioned it was my very first time so I didn’t mention about my work neither employment letter as I thought my dad is sponsoring and now I have all my documents ready n arrested for my Canada application.

Would this be a problem in my Canada application?


Question 3

Even though I have my employment letter attested but it is my father who is sponsoring so in that case how likely are my chances ? Do I need to provide his deposit slips and salary slips and mine too?


Question 4

I’m on a Residence Permit so what would be my status? There is nothing called PR here.

And, what do they mean by national document? Is it my ID Residence Permit of the country I’m living in? Or my national identification doc from my citizenship country ?


Please advise. It would be really helpful. TIA

Unfortunately, IMO, you are risking another visa refusal this time from Canada for the exact same reasons as your UK visa refusal.


1. You are employed, but you cannot afford your Canada visit as a working adult = No strong employment ties + your employment does not pay well.

2. Your dad is your financial sponsor but his income is paid in cash = Not a legit source of income.

3. Your residence permit is a temporary immigration status in Saudi Arabia. It is not a PR. I'm guessing your Iqama is dependent on your dad's permit status. When does it expire?

4. As you have temporary immigration status in Saudi Arabia, your ties to both KSA and India will be assessed.

5. If your dad is paid in cash i.e. low income.... then he may not be able to pay for his family/you to stay in KSA i.e. inability to pay the family tax. This implies that you might overstay your Canada visit

6. Yes, you must declare your UK visa refusal in the Application form. Canada and the UK share immigration information. Failure to declare this UK visa refusal could result in a misrepresentation ban

 

[Bryanna]

1. My employment does pay me well but my father wants to sponsor my expenses for this trip since I’m his daughter. Is that anything wrong?

Yes, it is wrong. It would seem like your employment does not pay you well for you to afford your visit with your own funds.

1. Since how long have you been employed at your current workplace?

2. Do you have an individual work contract which is not dependent on your dad's contract?

3. Do you have financial investments of your own?

2. My dad is an Accountant and he is willingly sponsoring this trip and him being paid in cash is something what his company does. There are proofs of payment and deposit slips. There is an official attested employment letter from his company too.

Answered in #1

5. Not true. He does hold a family permit status and successfully paid all the family tax every year.

Eventually, your Canada TRV will be assessed for your individual strong ties to KSA and/or to India.... not for your dad's finances nor his ties to KSA.

6. Thank you for letting me know. Do I again need to go for biometrics even though I gave it for UK?

Canada and the UK are two different countries. So, yes, you need to give biometrics for your TRV application

 

[Bryanna]

1. Since 2017
2. And 3. No.

Could you please advise how could I make strong evidences as my purpose of visit is to attend my sister’s graduation event. What could I provide them further?

Your only tie to KSA and India is your employment.

However, your residence permit is dependent on your dad's residence permit + your dad wants to pay for your Canada visit (and his salary is paid in cash) + you do not have any financial investments + you most probably do not have any other assets like property or land in India.

You don't have any previous travel history to any country. Considering the continuing exodus of low-salary foreign workers from KSA, it would seem like you could potentially overstay your visit.

Overall:
You don't have the financial resources to pay for the visit + no strong ties to KSA and/or to India + you have temporary immigration status in KSA + no strong employment ties

 

[Bryanna]

My dad does own quite a good number of lands back in India. What documents could I show?
Thank you for the detailed info.

I'm sorry I won't help you to *create* superficial ties for your visa application. Your ties either exist or they do not exist.

I can only help someone to improve the paperwork for their existing ties.

Also, as you do not have the financial means to purchase the land in India, it would be instantly obvious that your dad's land has been included in your visa application as a last-minute 'tie'

 

[Bryanna]

I’m sorry but I don’t understand how are you assuming that I don’t have the financial means to purchase land? And, why should we purchase when we have quite many land properties under my father’s ownership.

If you try to understand the analysis of your personal and professional situation, you will realize that you are risking another visa refusal. In fact, the TRV refusal grounds could be the same as your UK visa refusal.

Not assuming anything. The fact that you do not have any financial investments implies that you either spend most of your income or your employment does not pay well.

Property or land ownership is generally considered as a reason for someone to return to his/her home country. In your case, you do not have any assets (movable or immovable). And, your dad's properties are not your properties.... from both legal and visa perspectives