Name Change / Assuming Last Name After Spousal Sponership

[haddad287]

Currently my wife's name is (example):

Sandra James Micheal Micheal
[First Name] [Dad Name] [Grandpa Name] [Last name (they just re-use grandpa name)]

In Arab counties, they folllow this convention.

So Her legal first name is (based off her passport) is: Sandra James Michael. and her legal last name is Michael

I want her name to be: First Name: Sandra, Last name: Miller (So Sandra Miller).

My Question is: Do I just need to apply for the Assumption of Last name after Marriage? So her name will be Sandra James Miichael Miller? And I wanted to treat "James Michel" as her middle name? And all future identification for her (excluding future passport - that to have full name) would be just Sandra Miller?

 

[k.h.p.]

Assumption of surnames is typically done without any application - you use your marriage certificate as a way to get the new surname on your provincially issued ID.

Your PR card will never be issued with an assumed last name as the PR card's name is based on the passport.

If the other ID requires that the name you submit match, for example, a PR card, you will not be able to assume the last name.

 

[MJSPARV]

Currently my wife's name is (example):

Sandra James Micheal Micheal
[First Name] [Dad Name] [Grandpa Name] [Last name (they just re-use grandpa name)]

In Arab counties, they folllow this convention.

So Her legal first name is (based off her passport) is: Sandra James Michael. and her legal last name is Michael

I want her name to be: First Name: Sandra, Last name: Miller (So Sandra Miller).

My Question is: Do I just need to apply for the Assumption of Last name after Marriage? So her name will be Sandra James Miichael Miller? And I wanted to treat "James Michel" as her middle name? And all future identification for her (excluding future passport - that to have full name) would be just Sandra Miller?

By the way, you say that YOU want to change her name but SHE almost certainly has to be the one to do the name change not you. Does she want to change it and is she in Canada to do any paperwork required? You can't just change your spouse's name for them.

 

[haddad287]

By the way, you say that YOU want to change her name but SHE almost certainly has to be the one to do the name change not you. Does she want to change it and is she in Canada to do any paperwork required? You can't just change your spouse's name for them.

well ya of course she is going to change it lol.. i meant once she comes

 

[haddad287]

Assumption of surnames is typically done without any application - you use your marriage certificate as a way to get the new surname on your provincially issued ID.

Your PR card will never be issued with an assumed last name as the PR card's name is based on the passport.

If the other ID requires that the name you submit match, for example, a PR card, you will not be able to assume the last name.

so if I do a last name assumption due to marraige, i cannot request PR to be changed? only provincial governments documents?

I see applications that you can change your passport or PR card due to last name change due to marraige. I just dont want to do legal name change. I'll just not put her middle name on her provincial documents, and just change her last name. That should work right?

 

[armoured]

so if I do a last name assumption due to marraige, i cannot request PR to be changed? only provincial governments documents?

I see applications that you can change your passport or PR card due to last name change due to marraige. I just dont want to do legal name change. I'll just not put her middle name on her provincial documents, and just change her last name. That should work right?

Why don't you wish to do legal name change?

We're dancing around these explanations and the final answer is it depends and can get complicated. Doing the legal name change process is in some respects easier and cleaner, and certainly with known, predictable results.

By all means, try the other route if you wish - but you can't get much useful information without knowing which provicne or why exactly you wish to not use the process designed to change names, the legal name change.

 

[k.h.p.]

When you get married, you don't do a legal name change. You just submit the marriage certificate and say "I got married."

However, PR cards are issued in the name on your passport. Doesn't matter if you're married or not, they won't issue you a PR card in a name other than your passport.

 

[k.h.p.]

so if I do a last name assumption due to marraige, i cannot request PR to be changed? only provincial governments documents?

I see applications that you can change your passport or PR card due to last name change due to marraige. I just dont want to do legal name change. I'll just not put her middle name on her provincial documents, and just change her last name. That should work right?

Here's how it works straight from IRCC:

Submit any of these documents issued by a civil authority in a province or territory of Canada:

• a copy of a legal change of name document, court order, adoption order, or
• one of the following documents (unless you were married in Quebec on or after April 2, 1981 and are now a resident of this province). The document must show your new name:
  • a marriage certificate;
  • divorce decree;
  • registration;
  • declaration of union;
  • revocation of declaration or annulment of union.

If you are a permanent resident and changed your name outside of Canada, submit:

• a foreign passport or other national authoritative document that shows your new name; and
• an official document linking the old and new names.

If you were married in Canada, you apply for a new PR card and include a Canadian marriage certificate that proves you can use the new surname.

If you were married outside of Canada, you need to have a new passport.

If you don't want to get a new passport and are in Canada, you must apply for a legal name change.

 

[haddad287]

Here's how it works straight from IRCC:



If you were married in Canada, you apply for a new PR card and include a Canadian marriage certificate that proves you can use the new surname.

If you were married outside of Canada, you need to have a new passport.

If you don't want to get a new passport and are in Canada, you must apply for a legal name change.

I know that.

I know PR and Passport is based on legal name. For for Ontario in my case. I wanted the last name to be the same as my last name, ANd just have her first name instead of her middle name being part of her first name.

She is arriving to Canada as a PR, she is not a citizen, and does not have a canadian passport yet.

 

[k.h.p.]

I know that.

I know PR and Passport is based on legal name. For for Ontario in my case. I wanted the last name to be the same as my last name, ANd just have her first name instead of her middle name being part of her first name.

She is arriving to Canada as a PR, she is not a citizen, and does not have a canadian passport yet.

So did you read everything I wrote?

If you did not get married in Canada and have no Canadian marriage certificate, your only option is legal name change or new home country passport.

 

[MJSPARV]

If you don't want to do a legal name change (why not? Is there a concern that she won't be able to change it on her home country passport?) perhaps she can use your last name socially and her maiden name legally. My sister got married in a country where you can't change your name upon marriage, but a lot of women use their husband's name socially. When she and her husband moved to the US they'd been married long enough that it was a big hassle to legally change her name, so she uses her husband's name socially and maiden name (legal last name) on official documents. Obviously your wife would need to be careful with not using your last name on official stuff but if your concern is that you want your names to match but you're not willing to do a legal name change, your options are limited.

Btw, I did change my name legally after marriage (not in Canada though) and it really wasn't a big deal. A bit of hassle with remembering all the places that needed my new name, but overall easy.

Also for the middle name/first name thing, if I understand correctly you don't like that she has two names that are legally first names instead of a first ay middle name. For what it's worth, my husband has two names that are legally first names and no middle name and it's never, ever been an issue. All you have to say is "his first name is two words ( John Michael - example not his real one) not a first and a middle name" and it's never been a problem. On the other hand I have two middle names and one first name and that's also never been a problem. So if this is stemming from concerns over her name not fitting "normal north american naming patterns" I'd strongly suggest just not worrying about it. If it comes from you not liking the flow of her name, I'd suggest being sure that she also doesn't like the flow of her name or just let it go.

 

[haddad287]

If you don't want to do a legal name change (why not? Is there a concern that she won't be able to change it on her home country passport?) perhaps she can use your last name socially and her maiden name legally. My sister got married in a country where you can't change your name upon marriage, but a lot of women use their husband's name socially. When she and her husband moved to the US they'd been married long enough that it was a big hassle to legally change her name, so she uses her husband's name socially and maiden name (legal last name) on official documents. Obviously your wife would need to be careful with not using your last name on official stuff but if your concern is that you want your names to match but you're not willing to do a legal name change, your options are limited.

Btw, I did change my name legally after marriage (not in Canada though) and it really wasn't a big deal. A bit of hassle with remembering all the places that needed my new name, but overall easy.

Also for the middle name/first name thing, if I understand correctly you don't like that she has two names that are legally first names instead of a first ay middle name. For what it's worth, my husband has two names that are legally first names and no middle name and it's never, ever been an issue. All you have to say is "his first name is two words ( John Michael - example not his real one) not a first and a middle name" and it's never been a problem. On the other hand I have two middle names and one first name and that's also never been a problem. So if this is stemming from concerns over her name not fitting "normal north american naming patterns" I'd strongly suggest just not worrying about it. If it comes from you not liking the flow of her name, I'd suggest being sure that she also doesn't like the flow of her name or just let it go.

Legal Name Change is longer process thats why

 

[haddad287]

So did you read everything I wrote?

If you did not get married in Canada and have no Canadian marriage certificate, your only option is legal name change or new home country passport.

I can have my wife assume my last name in Ontario, all I need to show is my Marriage Cert from my country

 

[k.h.p.]

I can have my wife assume my last name in Ontario, all I need to show is my Marriage Cert from my country

But unless you get a document IRCC will accept, you're not going to get the PR card issued in that name. As I have shared with instructions direct from IRCC above.

 

[haddad287]

But unless you get a document IRCC will accept, you're not going to get the PR card issued in that name. As I have shared with instructions direct from IRCC above.

People have done it this way, Easiest method no fee, and Passport/PR (federal documents) stay with the legal full name

And the provincial documents will show the new last name